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[Simon]

The Iraqis are today being bombed daily by there OWN people. Maybe this should be given slightly more emphasis.

[Get Real!]

The Iraqis are today being bombed daily by there OWN people. Maybe this should be given slightly more emphasis.

So does that let the US/UK off the hook for the last 5 years of death and destruction in Iraq?

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm

[T_C]

Yes simon...they are....US knows what its doing and after the amount of shit stirring they've done, they got what they wanted.

The USA is putting Iraq out of its misery.....but only after putting it into its misery in the first place...

[cypezokyli]

The Iraqis are today being bombed daily by there OWN people. Maybe this should be given slightly more emphasis.

because this is what happens when you create a power vacuum.
becuase this is what happens when with the post-saddam US policies, the people were forced to accept new identities
because this is what happens, when you destroy all institutions, and above all the army, with an illusion of creating a democratic one.
because this is what happens when you dont have the slightest idea of history, and expect that democracy can just "grow", when saddam is overthrown.
because this is what happens when you reject, a compromise with iran already in 2003, and you insist of threatening them with a military attack. isnt it to be expected that they will finance your enemy ?


and all the above, dont even touch the ethical question of "should the US invade iraq". it simply stays on the practical level "on how they went along carrying the operation".

it is enough that they have no ethics. but it is even worse when one adds to that, their immense inability and stupidity.

[Simon]

I actually agree with most of the replies. Although, the reaction is quite funny, especially from Cype. I was merely suggesting that the Iraqis are killing each other, and yet all are talking as if it is the US personally that are killing women and children intentionally each day. Conversely, I have no doubt as to the stupidity of the US here. All I am suggesting is, let us have slightly more objectivity and not forget that Iraqis (helped by Iran, Al Qaeda and others) are causing a fair amount of the misery themselves, and nobody is forcing them to. That is of course not to say that the US have not created a lot of problems in the invasion and its aftermath.

N.B. It would also be helpful to remember that Iraq was a terrible place before the invasion.

[cypezokyli]

it was terrible but now is worse

[Simon]

Yes, I agree. However, that is not the point I was making, as I'm sure you're aware.

[Get Real!]

I actually agree with most of the replies. Although, the reaction is quite funny, especially from Cype. I was merely suggesting that the Iraqis are killing each other, and yet all are talking as if it is the US personally that are killing women and children intentionally each day. Conversely, I have no doubt as to the stupidity of the US here. All I am suggesting is, let us have slightly more objectivity and not forget that Iraqis (helped by Iran, Al Qaeda and others) are causing a fair amount of the misery themselves, and nobody is forcing them to. That is of course not to say that the US have not created a lot of problems in the invasion and its aftermath.

N.B. It would also be helpful to remember that Iraq was a terrible place before the invasion.

Please explain.

[Simon]

Do I really need to?

Read a few history books (preferably those exploring what life was like under Saddam). I am not here to educate you.

[Get Real!]

Do I really need to?

Read a few history books (preferably those exploring what life was like under Saddam). I am not here to educate you.

You'll be lucky to educate yourself if all you watch/read is CNN and Fox.

You have probably taken a couple of incidents that the US propaganda machine had milked for all they were worth... ie: footage of a Kurdish village which showed 4-5 bodies of civilians including a child allegedly gassed by Saddam and lying dead on the street. That specific footage was played over and over again! I lost count how many times I saw it, to manufacture consent for the invasion.

What if I were to tell you that it is very old footage of people accidentally gassed by an incompetent pilot of the Iranian air force during the Iran-Iraq war?