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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:43 pm

phoenix wrote:
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phoenix wrote:Shahmaran seems to think we live by the law of the jungle and Turkey can rightfully behave this way without criticism.

I fully support the Kurds' land rights. But I don't think there are any worthy similarities between the struggle of the Kurds for Sovereignty and those of the Turk-TCs in Cyprus.

The Turk-TCs are leftovers from a recent invasion. They came from somewhere (no one seems certain where) but without a definite land base (so-called Ottoland) and are claiming territory which they have no historical or legal rights to.

Turkey is disproportionally big for the Turks and it just encourages them to reproduce to fill the available space. So I fully support any moves to reduce its size . . . since none of it belongs to the Turks anyway.

Also it spoils the Turk-TCs on Cyprus and makes them think they are warranted in asking for a disproportionally larger fragment of Cyprus than they would be due for their numbers. Besides, they are not due any part.

As far as the "traditional" dress of the dancing girls. There is no contradiction in modernising it. After all Turkish Belly Dancers are just as happy to dance to music from a CD as to a band etc. And they wear modern make-up (lots :lol: ) etc.



Phoenix mou, I admire you for the support you give for the Kurds. Do you also support their terrorist activities?


I am not aware of any terrorists activities by them. They have a struggle for liberation . . . my parents did the same in WWII.

Turkey sprinkles her own labels on a number of things I and the rest of Mankind do not recognise.



Correction Phoenix mou. The PKK are acknowledged terrorists by the world at large. You do not see what you dont want to see. No surprise there then Phoenix mou.

Respectfully yours forever :wink:
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Postby phoenix » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:48 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:Shahmaran seems to think we live by the law of the jungle and Turkey can rightfully behave this way without criticism.

I fully support the Kurds' land rights. But I don't think there are any worthy similarities between the struggle of the Kurds for Sovereignty and those of the Turk-TCs in Cyprus.

The Turk-TCs are leftovers from a recent invasion. They came from somewhere (no one seems certain where) but without a definite land base (so-called Ottoland) and are claiming territory which they have no historical or legal rights to.

Turkey is disproportionally big for the Turks and it just encourages them to reproduce to fill the available space. So I fully support any moves to reduce its size . . . since none of it belongs to the Turks anyway.

Also it spoils the Turk-TCs on Cyprus and makes them think they are warranted in asking for a disproportionally larger fragment of Cyprus than they would be due for their numbers. Besides, they are not due any part.

As far as the "traditional" dress of the dancing girls. There is no contradiction in modernising it. After all Turkish Belly Dancers are just as happy to dance to music from a CD as to a band etc. And they wear modern make-up (lots :lol: ) etc.



Phoenix mou, I admire you for the support you give for the Kurds. Do you also support their terrorist activities?


I am not aware of any terrorists activities by them. They have a struggle for liberation . . . my parents did the same in WWII.

Turkey sprinkles her own labels on a number of things I and the rest of Mankind do not recognise.



Correction Phoenix mou. The PKK are acknowledged terrorists by the world at large. You do not see what you dont want to see. No surprise there then Phoenix mou.

Respectfully yours forever :wink:


Only the countries that "humour" the Turks use their labels without criticism.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:54 pm

phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:Shahmaran seems to think we live by the law of the jungle and Turkey can rightfully behave this way without criticism.

I fully support the Kurds' land rights. But I don't think there are any worthy similarities between the struggle of the Kurds for Sovereignty and those of the Turk-TCs in Cyprus.

The Turk-TCs are leftovers from a recent invasion. They came from somewhere (no one seems certain where) but without a definite land base (so-called Ottoland) and are claiming territory which they have no historical or legal rights to.

Turkey is disproportionally big for the Turks and it just encourages them to reproduce to fill the available space. So I fully support any moves to reduce its size . . . since none of it belongs to the Turks anyway.

Also it spoils the Turk-TCs on Cyprus and makes them think they are warranted in asking for a disproportionally larger fragment of Cyprus than they would be due for their numbers. Besides, they are not due any part.

As far as the "traditional" dress of the dancing girls. There is no contradiction in modernising it. After all Turkish Belly Dancers are just as happy to dance to music from a CD as to a band etc. And they wear modern make-up (lots :lol: ) etc.



Phoenix mou, I admire you for the support you give for the Kurds. Do you also support their terrorist activities?


I am not aware of any terrorists activities by them. They have a struggle for liberation . . . my parents did the same in WWII.

Turkey sprinkles her own labels on a number of things I and the rest of Mankind do not recognise.



Correction Phoenix mou. The PKK are acknowledged terrorists by the world at large. You do not see what you dont want to see. No surprise there then Phoenix mou.

Respectfully yours forever :wink:


Only the countries that "humour" the Turks use their labels without criticism.



It must be a great disappointment to you.

Anyway we have our own problems to sort out. Going out now for duties outside the house (looking after the granddaughters so wont be around for tonites session. Plz dont spread too much venom. :lol:


Bon nuit

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Postby phoenix » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:56 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:Shahmaran seems to think we live by the law of the jungle and Turkey can rightfully behave this way without criticism.

I fully support the Kurds' land rights. But I don't think there are any worthy similarities between the struggle of the Kurds for Sovereignty and those of the Turk-TCs in Cyprus.

The Turk-TCs are leftovers from a recent invasion. They came from somewhere (no one seems certain where) but without a definite land base (so-called Ottoland) and are claiming territory which they have no historical or legal rights to.

Turkey is disproportionally big for the Turks and it just encourages them to reproduce to fill the available space. So I fully support any moves to reduce its size . . . since none of it belongs to the Turks anyway.

Also it spoils the Turk-TCs on Cyprus and makes them think they are warranted in asking for a disproportionally larger fragment of Cyprus than they would be due for their numbers. Besides, they are not due any part.

As far as the "traditional" dress of the dancing girls. There is no contradiction in modernising it. After all Turkish Belly Dancers are just as happy to dance to music from a CD as to a band etc. And they wear modern make-up (lots :lol: ) etc.



Phoenix mou, I admire you for the support you give for the Kurds. Do you also support their terrorist activities?


I am not aware of any terrorists activities by them. They have a struggle for liberation . . . my parents did the same in WWII.

Turkey sprinkles her own labels on a number of things I and the rest of Mankind do not recognise.



Correction Phoenix mou. The PKK are acknowledged terrorists by the world at large. You do not see what you dont want to see. No surprise there then Phoenix mou.

Respectfully yours forever :wink:


Only the countries that "humour" the Turks use their labels without criticism.



It must be a great disappointment to you.

Anyway we have our own problems to sort out. Going out now for duties outside the house (looking after the granddaughters so wont be around for tonites session. Plz dont spread too much venom. :lol:


Bon nuit

Denizis


Enjoy your family activity Deniz dear. :D

You'll be missed here. :(

(Party time! :lol: )
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Postby boomerang » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:13 pm

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Dîrî wrote:HERE ARE THE GIRLS WITH THEIR DRAWING:

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Oh Now I see...That wasn't really a political statement and those girls are a bit older than you first made them out to be...How many colors are there in a rainbow again :? :? :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Contrived would be a good word..


so you basically saying that colours and a combination on how they are used is illegal in turkey?...and you want us to trust the turks...hang on....hahahahahahahahahahahaha...yeah...ok...i trust the turks with all the phobias and complexes... hahahaahahahahahaha


thats not what I said petrol head.....I said the whole thing was contrived to get a reaction and it did by some confused head teacher.....The old pistons on the Harley mis-firing eh!!!!! :roll:


hey sparky, has the teacher ever been punished/sacked and the kids reinstated?...if not, it points to me he would have state protection...And I suppose you know all about reactions seeing you so quickly recognised it...i think you have developed a taste for electrical buzzes...and the brain is slowing turning into mush... :lol:

PS...I see the rolling thingie has developed into a habbit...better see help for that too.. :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:19 pm

The ANC and Mandela were considered terrorists once upon a time...
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:33 pm

phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
phoenix wrote:Shahmaran seems to think we live by the law of the jungle and Turkey can rightfully behave this way without criticism.

I fully support the Kurds' land rights. But I don't think there are any worthy similarities between the struggle of the Kurds for Sovereignty and those of the Turk-TCs in Cyprus.

The Turk-TCs are leftovers from a recent invasion. They came from somewhere (no one seems certain where) but without a definite land base (so-called Ottoland) and are claiming territory which they have no historical or legal rights to.

Turkey is disproportionally big for the Turks and it just encourages them to reproduce to fill the available space. So I fully support any moves to reduce its size . . . since none of it belongs to the Turks anyway.

Also it spoils the Turk-TCs on Cyprus and makes them think they are warranted in asking for a disproportionally larger fragment of Cyprus than they would be due for their numbers. Besides, they are not due any part.

As far as the "traditional" dress of the dancing girls. There is no contradiction in modernising it. After all Turkish Belly Dancers are just as happy to dance to music from a CD as to a band etc. And they wear modern make-up (lots :lol: ) etc.



Phoenix mou, I admire you for the support you give for the Kurds. Do you also support their terrorist activities?


I am not aware of any terrorists activities by them. They have a struggle for liberation . . . my parents did the same in WWII.

Turkey sprinkles her own labels on a number of things I and the rest of Mankind do not recognise.



Correction Phoenix mou. The PKK are acknowledged terrorists by the world at large. You do not see what you dont want to see. No surprise there then Phoenix mou.

Respectfully yours forever :wink:


Only the countries that "humour" the Turks use their labels without criticism.



It must be a great disappointment to you.

Anyway we have our own problems to sort out. Going out now for duties outside the house (looking after the granddaughters so wont be around for tonites session. Plz dont spread too much venom. :lol:


Bon nuit

Denizis


Enjoy your family activity Deniz dear. :D

You'll be missed here. :(

(Party time! :lol: )



Phoenix mou, you cant even spell properly. You meant to say 'good riddance' surely

Kali nihta Phoenix and the rest and enjoy the party. I will have to tell my grandchildren they are not welcome ......................
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Postby Dîrî » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:34 pm

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shahmaran wrote:Hahaha and not to mention the ironed hair and the unnecessarily extreme make up, while trying to pull of some folk dance moves on high heels, they look more like a sad attempt of a show off with western wannabe outfits fusion with weird "traditional" clothes, in reality they are far from looking traditional, or maybe that is the actual Kurdish tradition who knows. Also is she waving an Italian flag in her hand?
Diri are you any of these fine young ladies in the photo by any chance?

Judging by the people in the back i am assuming this somewhere in Europe?

Is that too many questions? Im sorry :)


1) Those ARE traditional Kurdish clothes...
2) She is waving the Kurdish flag:
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3) No - I am not...
4) This is in Sweden...
5) No - you hardly asked any - you were more busy spreading prejudice... :roll:

Here are some Kurdish girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqtfoUofgYw

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Does the sun in the centre have anything to do with the Vergina star (or sun) of Alexander the Great of Macedonia?

(I can't count how many points it has because it is waving around. :lol: The Vergina Star has 16 though.)


Although there are many signs and remnants of Hellenic influence (and vice-versa) in Kurdistan - the blazing sun in the Kurdistan flag isn't one of those... The sun in the flag has 21 rays - representing the 21st of March - which is Newroz = Kurdish New Year. The sun itself is related to the indigenous religion of the Kurds - in which the sun and fire were two central elements...

In Colemêrg, where I'm from - there are ruins from forts etc. from the Hellenic invasion... Many Kurds (especially in Colemêrg) have Greek forefathers - as is the case with myself...
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Postby phoenix » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:54 pm

Dîrî wrote:
phoenix wrote:
Dîrî wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Hahaha and not to mention the ironed hair and the unnecessarily extreme make up, while trying to pull of some folk dance moves on high heels, they look more like a sad attempt of a show off with western wannabe outfits fusion with weird "traditional" clothes, in reality they are far from looking traditional, or maybe that is the actual Kurdish tradition who knows. Also is she waving an Italian flag in her hand?
Diri are you any of these fine young ladies in the photo by any chance?

Judging by the people in the back i am assuming this somewhere in Europe?

Is that too many questions? Im sorry :)


1) Those ARE traditional Kurdish clothes...
2) She is waving the Kurdish flag:
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3) No - I am not...
4) This is in Sweden...
5) No - you hardly asked any - you were more busy spreading prejudice... :roll:

Here are some Kurdish girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqtfoUofgYw

Diri
Does the sun in the centre have anything to do with the Vergina star (or sun) of Alexander the Great of Macedonia?

(I can't count how many points it has because it is waving around. :lol: The Vergina Star has 16 though.)


Although there are many signs and remnants of Hellenic influence (and vice-versa) in Kurdistan - the blazing sun in the Kurdistan flag isn't one of those... The sun in the flag has 21 rays - representing the 21st of March - which is Newroz = Kurdish New Year. The sun itself is related to the indigenous religion of the Kurds - in which the sun and fire were two central elements...

In Colemêrg, where I'm from - there are ruins from forts etc. from the Hellenic invasion... Many Kurds (especially in Colemêrg) have Greek forefathers - as is the case with myself...


Congratulations on your noble ancestry. You are much blessed Diri. :D

Your cause is now my cause! . . . . united by a common enemy. :!:
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Postby Dîrî » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:59 pm

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Plus have you actually seen the ridiculous size of the so called "Kurdistan" they are proposing? Its pretty much the same size as central bloody Europe, and it involves taking lands from 3-4 different countries, no wonder they cant take it...


And the simple fact is that we want only that which is historically majority Kurdish land, unlike GC who have taken 30% of Cyprus - while they make up, what? Far less than 30% of the population...


Diri, i didn't know Turkey had "biological weapons" that's news to me!!


Oh you'd be amazed at what the MIT and Generals (Deep State) have hidden from the outside world... The Şirnex (Şirnak) massacre was done partly through sennep gass bombing of villages... Yes - killing indescriminately...

Also its funny that your 3000 year old traditional clothes actually include high heels, which in fact is a French tradition only dating back to the early 1500s, plus i was not being prejudist but simply observing the overwhelming amount of work they have put on their "traditional looks" which actually looks very pretentious in a very cheap way, rather then looking pure and traditional. I am saying this because i know exactly what the traditional clothes in Eastern Turkey look like and these are not it. But since this is not even Turkey or "Kurdistan" its no suprize that they have been influenced by European traditions, kind of makes you question the authenticity of your "3000 year old" culture doesnt it?


A large geographic area such as Kurdistan is varied and full of diversity - in both traditional clothes, dialects, food etc...

There are mainly 3-4 styles of traditional Kurdish dresses. The style worn by the girls in the photo is from South-Eastern Kurdistan. There are two styles in the south and two styles in the north, basically...

Kurdish traditional dress is unique in that Kurds wear them on a daily basis still today - and untill around 60 years ago - most Kurds wore their traditional clothes in Kurdistan. Each year a new style of fabric will surface and the Kurds will sow new clothing from that - hence the modernistic touch on the clothes you see in the photo...

Kurdish traditional clothing is also unique in that it is fashionable - in e.g. it changes year by year - new styles in: fabric, cutting, form and shape of the clothes...


And as a final note, why would anyone make a video to promote the "beauty" of Kurdish women, or the women of any other race? Do they feel neglected or something?


To be honest with you: I knew of the videos on Youtube - but I do not approve of them - because some of them have been made against the wish of the girls. Guys are guys - and you should know that... In a conservative culture such as the Kurdish one - it's only natural that people do stuff like this to break the taboos which exist...


Sorry to be so blunt but all these elements look like you are trying to market yourself through false advertising for some stupid reason, but either way if the Kurds do actually succeed in their quest (and if it means tearing Turkey apart then i really hope they dont) then i would give them full respect indeed for succeeding and they could probably open up our way over here in Cyprus too ;)


It's quite alright. I am not offended. And you are wrong - We are not trying to market ourselves - we're just keeping our culture and our pride alive... We don't HAVE a country to do that for us - so it's only natural that we should be this way - trying to preserve and improve where we see a need...

And it's not "false advertising" - in fact it's not "advertising" at all - because they didn't make the video of the girls to show other peoples - but to show their buddies and friends... Basically some horny guys sitting somewhere - getting a kick from making the videos... :roll:
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