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[bg_turk]

Several places...

Turkey never used biological weapons against Kurds, and in view of this fact your inability to back up your assertions should come as no surprise. Your assertions are nothing more than malicious lies whose only purpose is to push your ant-Turkish POV on this forum. In most other forums your actions would be called trolling and flaming, but standards have obviously slipped here.

[zan]

Several places...

Turkey never used biological weapons against Kurds, and in view of this fact your inability to back up your assertions should come as no surprise. Your assertions are nothing more than malicious lies whose only purpose is to push your ant-Turkish POV on this forum. In most other forums your actions would be called trolling and flaming, but standards have obviously slipped here.

[GreekForumer]

Several places...

Turkey never used biological weapons against Kurds, and in view of this fact your inability to back up your assertions should come as no surprise. Your assertions are nothing more than malicious lies whose only purpose is to push your ant-Turkish POV on this forum. In most other forums your actions would be called trolling and flaming, but standards have obviously slipped here.

I don't know about biological weapons but if you mean chemicals or poisons you can google with +kurds + dersim +poison and find a few results like this one.

Cultural Autonomy, Minority Rights, and Globalization - Google Books Result
by Steven C. Roach - 2005 - Political Science - 172 pages

Altough Ataturks' forces were able to quell the Said-led rebellion, there would be several more Kurdish rebellions, the last of which would occur in Dersim, where the state used 'poison gas, artillery, and air bombardments on the rebels to put down the rebellion'.

Link

[GreekForumer]

Israel Charny is a highly respected scholar.

The Widening Circle of Genocide
By Israel W. Charny

Dersimi claims that the Turkish air force in 1938 bombed the district with poisonous gas (p. 319), a claim later often repeated by Kurdish Nationalist authors but not confirmed by any other source.

Link

[zan]

Israel Charny is a highly respected scholar.

The Widening Circle of Genocide
By Israel W. Charny

Dersimi claims that the Turkish air force in 1938 bombed the district with poisonous gas (p. 319), a claim later often repeated by Kurdish Nationalist authors but not confirmed by any other source.

Link

Not a good idea to post both statement and retraction in one post

[denizaksulu]

Israel Charny is a highly respected scholar.

The Widening Circle of Genocide
By Israel W. Charny

Dersimi claims that the Turkish air force in 1938 bombed the district with poisonous gas (p. 319), a claim later often repeated by Kurdish Nationalist authors but not confirmed by any other source.

Link

...of course he is respectable. He writes anti-Turkish articles. What else could you say. 'Not confirmed' , Why is that?

[GreekForumer]

...of course he is respectable. He writes anti-Turkish articles. What else could you say. 'Not confirmed' , Why is that?

Deniz,
I wrote "Israel Charny is a highly respected scholar" to emphasise this man in not a "nobody". Here is his Wiki page. I assume this guy does his homework properly. So when a man of his stature writes "not confirmed by any other (non-Kurdish) source", that's a "positive" for the Turkish side. The Kurdish claims have not been corroborated by non-Kurdish sources, according to Charny.

Can you show me an article of his that displays his Anti-Turkishness ?

Zan,
that the Kurdish claims are not corroborated by non-Kurdish sources is a retraction ?

[denizaksulu]

...of course he is respectable. He writes anti-Turkish articles. What else could you say. 'Not confirmed' , Why is that?

Deniz,
I wrote "Israel Charny is a highly respected scholar" to emphasise this man in not a "nobody". Here is his Wiki page. I assume this guy does his homework properly. So when a man of his stature writes "not confirmed by any other (non-Kurdish) source", that's a "positive" for the Turkish side. The Kurdish claims have not been corroborated by non-Kurdish sources, according to Charny.

Can you show me an article of his that displays his Anti-Turkishness ?

Zan,
that the Kurdish claims are not corroborated by non-Kurdish sources is a retraction ?

Thanks for the reply. I did notice both paragraphs. Did you? at the time you posted? I suspect that it might have been overlooked, but WE are human, so we can err.

So little has been written about this period of Middle-Eastern history, getting reliable sources is a hard task.

[CopperLine]

Denizaksulu

You say that

So little has been written about this period of Middle-Eastern history, getting reliable sources is a hard task.

however in actual fact there is a wealth of material published on the history of the region. I could point to vast amounts of careful scholarly work which has used archival, archaeological, oral history, survey and statistical material and is pretty reliable. Of course interpretations of this material vary, sometimes widely.

Unfortunately most people either don't bother reading or don't have access to serious scholarly work and prefer to turn to popular and populist media such as Wikipedia. What really bothers me is the ease with which people turn to Wikipedia as if this was a definitive and reliable source. It isn't - it is the first resort of the lazy and opinionated in search of the lazy and opinionated.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition.

[CopperLine]

Shahmaran,
I agree totally with this part of your comment

It wasnt Turkey who punished them, it was some idiot school teacher

and this corresponds with Muhammed the Teddy Bear in the Khartoum school last month. There is no shortage of idiots in every country of the world who make idiotic decisions or judgements which has the consequence of millions of other idiots around the world (this Forum's Pheonix included) coming to the idiotic conclusion that since a teacher in Turkey made this decision or a religious authority in Sudan made that judgement that all Turks and all Sudanese/Muslims are culpable.

But on the broader matter of the colours used by the children : if they want to use colours that are also used in Kurdish national symbolism, so let them. Freedom of expression etc. Were this a science class then I'd be with you 100% : the teacher should explain the nature of the light spectrum.

We have to make it clear that expressing Kurdish national identity is NOT equivalent or synonymous with either subverting the state of Turkey or supporting the PKK. There are a thousand shades of Kurdish identity and autonomy, most of which are no threat to the integrity of Turkey.