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[boomerang]

Fair enough, there are idiots all around...But has she been sacked for beeing an idiotic teacher, kept on or promoted?

My guess is, the state kept her on with a future promotion for establishing her credentials...what do you think?

[boomerang]

Denizaksulu

You say that

So little has been written about this period of Middle-Eastern history, getting reliable sources is a hard task.

however in actual fact there is a wealth of material published on the history of the region. I could point to vast amounts of careful scholarly work which has used archival, archaeological, oral history, survey and statistical material and is pretty reliable. Of course interpretations of this material vary, sometimes widely.

Unfortunately most people either don't bother reading or don't have access to serious scholarly work and prefer to turn to popular and populist media such as Wikipedia. What really bothers me is the ease with which people turn to Wikipedia as if this was a definitive and reliable source. It isn't - it is the first resort of the lazy and opinionated in search of the lazy and opinionated.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition

What a lot of horseshit ...The turkish states represents the backwards state of the nationalists for cying out loud...Your above claim in itself shows how blind you are...

One can only laugh at your statement coz the turks since the establishment of the republic have done nothing to establish any truths...On the contrary they done everything to squash anything to do with anything...How about 1955?...how about the treatment of the kurds not alone the genocide of the Armenians...have they said sorry yet?...have they corrected anything yet?...Tell me as kurd in Turkey when did you have the right to listen to the radio in kurdish?

I am begging to think you are a blinded fascist...

[zan]

Denizaksulu

You say that

So little has been written about this period of Middle-Eastern history, getting reliable sources is a hard task.

however in actual fact there is a wealth of material published on the history of the region. I could point to vast amounts of careful scholarly work which has used archival, archaeological, oral history, survey and statistical material and is pretty reliable. Of course interpretations of this material vary, sometimes widely.

Unfortunately most people either don't bother reading or don't have access to serious scholarly work and prefer to turn to popular and populist media such as Wikipedia. What really bothers me is the ease with which people turn to Wikipedia as if this was a definitive and reliable source. It isn't - it is the first resort of the lazy and opinionated in search of the lazy and opinionated.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition

What a lot of horseshit ...The turkish states represents the backwards state of the nationalists for cying out loud...Your above claim in itself shows how blind you are...

One can only laugh at your statement coz the turks since the establishment of the republic have done nothing to establish any truths...On the contrary they done everything to squash anything to do with anything...How about 1955?...how about the treatment of the kurds not alone the genocide of the Armenians...have they said sorry yet?...have they corrected anything yet?...Tell me as kurd in Turkey when did you have the right to listen to the radio in kurdish?

I am begging to think you are a blinded fascist...

Boomers
You really are getting tiring now...All you do is snipe and make rude remarks and have no substance or proof in what you say...Copperline has offered you a lot of reading to do on the subject...How about you saying thank you and getting down to some reading so you can say something that means something

[shahmaran]

I love all these people who have never even come near Turkey but think they know everything about her....

[boomerang]

Denizaksulu

You say that

So little has been written about this period of Middle-Eastern history, getting reliable sources is a hard task.

however in actual fact there is a wealth of material published on the history of the region. I could point to vast amounts of careful scholarly work which has used archival, archaeological, oral history, survey and statistical material and is pretty reliable. Of course interpretations of this material vary, sometimes widely.

Unfortunately most people either don't bother reading or don't have access to serious scholarly work and prefer to turn to popular and populist media such as Wikipedia. What really bothers me is the ease with which people turn to Wikipedia as if this was a definitive and reliable source. It isn't - it is the first resort of the lazy and opinionated in search of the lazy and opinionated.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition

What a lot of horseshit ...The turkish states represents the backwards state of the nationalists for cying out loud...Your above claim in itself shows how blind you are...

One can only laugh at your statement coz the turks since the establishment of the republic have done nothing to establish any truths...On the contrary they done everything to squash anything to do with anything...How about 1955?...how about the treatment of the kurds not alone the genocide of the Armenians...have they said sorry yet?...have they corrected anything yet?...Tell me as kurd in Turkey when did you have the right to listen to the radio in kurdish?

I am begging to think you are a blinded fascist...

Boomers
You really are getting tiring now...All you do is snipe and make rude remarks and have no substance or proof in what you say...Copperline has offered you a lot of reading to do on the subject...How about you saying thank you and getting down to some reading so you can say something that means something

Thats pretty funny...He must have used some invisible ink and the links didn't show up...

Since you can see his proof, why not post them here Zan?

Please do not use the same invisible ink copperline is using, coz my spam filters will not allow them to be displayed...

Here is a link, about the fate of these scholars that copperline and you are talking about...

Acclaimed novelist Elif Safak was acquitted last week after being taking to trial for "insulting Turkishness" when a fictional character described the Armenian genocide in her latest book.

Armenian-Turkish newspaper editor Hrant Dink wasn't so lucky. [b]He received a six-month suspended sentence for talking about the genocide, and faces two more trials for similar charges. [/b] ...He was convicted for talking about it, not alone studying it Zan and copperline...I can give you more of these scholars...And to shut him up and save the embaresment, he met his fate via a bullet...any chance Zan in telling us what the killer got as punishment?
It may look like a battle over freedom of speech. In fact, the defendants say the Armenian Genocide, and the law that bans "insulting Turkishness," have become a political football between Turkish ultranationalists and pre-European politicians.

Anti-Turkish European politicians have entered the fray by passing laws forbidding citizens to deny that a genocide of Armenians took place in 1915.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6196764

I guess the scholars copperline is talking about are from mars hey Zan...


PS...thank god for the internet...

[boomerang]

I love all these people who have never even come near Turkey but think they know everything about her....

No shahmaran we have the internet...no need to visit turkey the land of the lawless...

here is an example ...

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=turkish+freedom+of+speech&meta=

[CopperLine]

Boomerang,
From at least the time of the military coup in 1980 tens of thousands of Turkish scholars, intellectuals, academics, journalists as well as other opponents of fascism, militarism and nationalism have been persecuted, sacked, imprisoned, expelled or otherwise forced into exile. That you haven't heard of them is not evidence that they don't exist; perhaps it is no more than evidence of the effectiveness of fascist or other anti-democratic rule.

Let's remember, since it is at least in recent memory, that there were thousands of Turks who took to the streets in demonstration and remembrance of the assassination of Hrant Dink almost a year ago. You either chose to forget this or refused to let it register in your prejudiced thinking.

Clearly anti-fascism, anti-nationalism and anti-militarism has not yet been successful in Turkey but you, Boomerang, do those hundreds of thousands, indeed millions, of democrats who are Turkish a massive insult and disservice by refusing to even acknowledge their struggle.

Let us also note that during the rule of the colonel's junta in Greece, thousands of Greek democrats were forced to leave the country or were otherwise imprisoned or persecuted. In Cyprus there is also a history of intolerance and persecution of those who dissent from the official lines, north and south.

Instead of adding your voice to the persecution of those democrats and dissenters irrespective of nationality or citizenship, Boomerang, how about voicing your solidarity with them ?

[boomerang]

Boomerang,
From at least the time of the military coup in 1980 tens of thousands of Turkish scholars, intellectuals, academics, journalists as well as other opponents of fascism, militarism and nationalism have been persecuted, sacked, imprisoned, expelled or otherwise forced into exile. That you haven't heard of them is not evidence that they don't exist; perhaps it is no more than evidence of the effectiveness of fascist or other anti-democratic rule.

Let's remember, since it is at least in recent memory, that there were thousands of Turks who took to the streets in demonstration and remembrance of the assassination of Hrant Dink almost a year ago. You either chose to forget this or refused to let it register in your prejudiced thinking.

Clearly anti-fascism, anti-nationalism and anti-militarism has not yet been successful in Turkey but you, Boomerang, do those hundreds of thousands, indeed millions, of democrats who are Turkish a massive insult and disservice by refusing to even acknowledge their struggle.

Let us also note that during the rule of the colonel's junta in Greece, thousands of Greek democrats were forced to leave the country or were otherwise imprisoned or persecuted. In Cyprus there is also a history of intolerance and persecution of those who dissent from the official lines, north and south.

Instead of adding your voice to the persecution of those democrats and dissenters irrespective of nationality or citizenship, Boomerang, how about voicing your solidarity with them ?

For a start copperline, I was responding to to your comment that there was plenty of proof of wealth of material, that you so far has not provided any, this goes to the same post...You seem to possess the knack of typing much with out actually not saying much at all...

and then you say

From at least the time of the military coup in 1980 tens of thousands of Turkish scholars, intellectuals, academics, journalists as well as other opponents of fascism, militarism and nationalism have been persecuted, sacked, imprisoned, expelled or otherwise forced into exile. That you haven't heard of them is not evidence that they don't exist; perhaps it is no more than evidence of the effectiveness of fascist or other anti-democratic rule.

If they were persecuted how the hell you can say there is wealth of information is beyond me...It only confirms what kind of a fascist state turkey is...And this was the jest of my first reply to you...Anyway thanks for confirming what I said...Just remind the cheer squad to settle down

Now if a lot of people take to the streets means shit copperline....has anything changed?...has there been a velvet revolution?...and why not copperline?...I'll tell you why...coz turkey is a fascist state that is scared of her own shadow...


Well the rest of your post is off topic with a spin and a cherry on top...


PS..in the future see if you comprehend the post and avoid putting spin on everything...

Anyway merry christmas copperline and hopefully santa claus will bring you joy and comprehension without the need to put spin on everything...

[shahmaran]

The guy was writing a book on a part of history (with unfounded facts and figures) that, leave Turkey to a side, not even the Armenians themselves allow it to be studied properly, why don't you go bitch at the Armenians then you ignorant fuck, Turkey has invited EVERYONE to come and research the incident properly, which is still yet to be handled by historians and not by a bunch of crook politicians and writers, and definitely by not some Ozzy chump from the other side of the globe.

I am starting to think you are just as bad as that BC Numismatics idiot who finds every single answer in Wikipedia about countries he probably wouldn't be able to point on a map otherwise, so no, the Internet alone does not teach you everything about Turkey, in fact you are far from close.

And yes something has changed there since, that Orhan Pamuk twat has made millions through his books and fucked off to his real country (US) to spend it all.

You are pretty quick to judge another country for being fascist while living in one that its whole existence has come to be through the slow disintegration of entire native tribes until total destruction, with the exception of a few, who the Internet says, have just become peasants in their own country thanks to their white guests, what a fascist country you live in Boomers, i despise you.

[zan]

Denizaksulu

You say that

So little has been written about this period of Middle-Eastern history, getting reliable sources is a hard task.

however in actual fact there is a wealth of material published on the history of the region. I could point to vast amounts of careful scholarly work which has used archival, archaeological, oral history, survey and statistical material and is pretty reliable. Of course interpretations of this material vary, sometimes widely.

Unfortunately most people either don't bother reading or don't have access to serious scholarly work and prefer to turn to popular and populist media such as Wikipedia. What really bothers me is the ease with which people turn to Wikipedia as if this was a definitive and reliable source. It isn't - it is the first resort of the lazy and opinionated in search of the lazy and opinionated.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition.

Many Turkish scholars are working to uncover the nature of the Armenian genocide or the history of the Kurds and what prevents them doing so is not 'Turkey' or 'the Turks' - as Phoenix and other bigots would have us believe - it is fascists and nationalists (or in other words her/his political counterparts) who insist that attempting to uncover other histories is itself an unpatriotic treasonous ambition

What a lot of horseshit ...The turkish states represents the backwards state of the nationalists for cying out loud...Your above claim in itself shows how blind you are...

One can only laugh at your statement coz the turks since the establishment of the republic have done nothing to establish any truths...On the contrary they done everything to squash anything to do with anything...How about 1955?...how about the treatment of the kurds not alone the genocide of the Armenians...have they said sorry yet?...have they corrected anything yet?...Tell me as kurd in Turkey when did you have the right to listen to the radio in kurdish?

I am begging to think you are a blinded fascist...

Boomers
You really are getting tiring now...All you do is snipe and make rude remarks and have no substance or proof in what you say...Copperline has offered you a lot of reading to do on the subject...How about you saying thank you and getting down to some reading so you can say something that means something

Thats pretty funny...He must have used some invisible ink and the links didn't show up...

Since you can see his proof, why not post them here Zan?

Please do not use the same invisible ink copperline is using, coz my spam filters will not allow them to be displayed...

Here is a link, about the fate of these scholars that copperline and you are talking about...

Acclaimed novelist Elif Safak was acquitted last week after being taking to trial for "insulting Turkishness" when a fictional character described the Armenian genocide in her latest book.

Armenian-Turkish newspaper editor Hrant Dink wasn't so lucky. [b]He received a six-month suspended sentence for talking about the genocide, and faces two more trials for similar charges. [/b] ...He was convicted for talking about it, not alone studying it Zan and copperline...I can give you more of these scholars...And to shut him up and save the embaresment, he met his fate via a bullet...any chance Zan in telling us what the killer got as punishment?
It may look like a battle over freedom of speech. In fact, the defendants say the Armenian Genocide, and the law that bans "insulting Turkishness," have become a political football between Turkish ultranationalists and pre-European politicians.

Anti-Turkish European politicians have entered the fray by passing laws forbidding citizens to deny that a genocide of Armenians took place in 1915.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6196764

I guess the scholars copperline is talking about are from mars hey Zan...


PS...thank god for the internet...

Boomers....You are either drinking again or breathing too much Harley fumes.......I said the man offered and did not say he posted..... what a waste of a post..........