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[BC Numismatics]

Everyone conveniently forget that in Kosovo it is the will of the MAJORITY population which is being recognised. If you draw an analogy with Cyprus then the Kosovars role is that of the GCs not the TCs.

But even if you take the common view that Kosovo is like the TRNC, then the deal recognises specifically the rights of the minorities living there and all their civil and property rights. Again to draw an analogy, if TRNC wants to be a Kosovo it will have to recognise the equivalent rights of the GCs and others who own property in the north and grant them full civil rights. Capische everyone?

Nikitas,Kosovo was not always part of Serbia prior to 1999.In fact,Kosovo was part of Albania during World War II.Kosovo has 2 things in common with both Albania & Bosnia-Hercegovina - countries with a Muslim majority population,& they are located in Europe.They'd definitely qualify for admission into the E.U..Serbia has got a lot to answer for as far as Kosovo goes.There's a lot of subhuman racist scum up in Serbia.

Turkey,on the other hand,doesn't qualify for E.U. membership at all.For a start,Turkey is a Middle Eastern country like Iran & Iraq.It would be a hypocritical situation if Turkey was ever allowed to join the E.U.,as it would be a farcical situation of one E.U. member state refusing to recognise another E.U. member state.

Aidan.

[Nikitas]

FIne, so why all the crap about independence then? Just admit you are OK being a Turkish colony, that is all I am saying.

[Viewpoint]

"However, the official TRNC thesis is that it was the Greek Cypriot administration which joined the EU rather than the whole of Cyprus."

This raises some interesting questions re the status of the TRNC when it receives grants and financial aid from the EU. Does it receive it as a third country? As part of a member state? If and when the north decideds to accept EU membership will it have to undergo a process of accession as a new member state or will it ride (yet again) piggy back on the RoC membership and get in without further formalities and the testing entry process?

If there is Taiwanisation will it be as a non member state that it will be granted de facto recogniton of its statehood or will they treat it as a member state of the EU. But how can they do that when the TCs say they never entered the EU in the first place? Can any part of this process abolish individual GC property rights in the north and still pretend to be an EU solution?

So in part the EU recognizes the TRNC authorities as they are dealing with them every day, the clock is ticking and it is not in the GCs favor.

[Nikitas]

BC, the first step is the status of Kosovo, and then comes EU membership. That first step is what I was discussing.

First they have to figure out if it is going to be independent. If yes, then it will have to guarantee minority rights, including property and residence rights of its inorities- Serbs, Gypsies and others. Then it can become a mber of the EU.

From what you have seen so far, does it look as if the Kosovars are able to gurantee the rights of Kosovo Serbs and others up to EU standards?

[Viewpoint]

FIne, so why all the crap about independence then? Just admit you are OK being a Turkish colony, that is all I am saying.

Nikitas you are the ones with the problem, the division is staring you in the face yet you close your eyes and do not want to acknowledge that to reunite you have to compromise and accept us as 2 equal partners 2 equal communities with a vested interest in this island. Our dealings with Turkey are our business they do not concern you as things stand, if one day you GCs make up your minds and decide to accept as equals then Turkey will be a factor which we will deal with together but for now you have no deal or even a proposition that will unite us when you do let u s know so that we can consider accepting o rejecting just like you did with the AP.

[Nikitas]

VP,

Of course the EU recognises the north as far as it is a part of Cyprus! Once the north becomes a parallel of Taiwan it will have to prove on its own that it fulfills EU standards to qualify for everything it gets. The EU is not an independent state, it is a collection of states, and the EU employees have to account for what they do to ALL member governments. How will they justify dealing with this new Taiwan like entity if it is not a member, does not want to be a member, cannot meet the standards of membership? That is the question regarding membership.

The EU principles do not permit the expropriation of property. So when an EU funded project includes GC land how will the EU go ahead and fund it? The RoC will drag the EU Commission to the EU court and cancel deals like that. The EU works with rules, regulations and directives applied by civil servants. It is not an empire.

[BC Numismatics]

BC, the first step is the status of Kosovo, and then comes EU membership. That first step is what I was discussing.

First they have to figure out if it is going to be independent. If yes, then it will have to guarantee minority rights, including property and residence rights of its inorities- Serbs, Gypsies and others. Then it can become a mber of the EU.

From what you have seen so far, does it look as if the Kosovars are able to gurantee the rights of Kosovo Serbs and others up to EU standards?

Nikitas,Kosovo has been a self-governing U.N. protectorate since 1999.The independence of Kosovo will mark the burial of the failed pipedream that was 'Yugoslavia'.It is hard to say what guarantees Kosovo's ethnic minorities will be given.You've got to remember that both the Albanians & the Kosovars are extremely clannish people who still fight among themselves.

Aidan.

[Kikapu]

VP,

Of course the EU recognises the north as far as it is a part of Cyprus! Once the north becomes a parallel of Taiwan it will have to prove on its own that it fulfills EU standards to qualify for everything it gets. The EU is not an independent state, it is a collection of states, and the EU employees have to account for what they do to ALL member governments. How will they justify dealing with this new Taiwan like entity if it is not a member, does not want to be a member, cannot meet the standards of membership? That is the question regarding membership.

The EU principles do not permit the expropriation of property. So when an EU funded project includes GC land how will the EU go ahead and fund it? The RoC will drag the EU Commission to the EU court and cancel deals like that. The EU works with rules, regulations and directives applied by civil servants. It is not an empire.

Nikitas,

I'm glad you are reminding the "TRNC" with the above good points. The Partitionist also know what lies ahead, may be the reason as to why they want some kind of agreed Partition to not to have to deal with the EU rules when the time comes to face the music.

A while back I wrote a post, that with Turkey's invasion of Cyprus, with declaration of Independence by the Denktash, with confiscation of GC properties in the North and keeping the "borders" closed for 30 years by the Occupying Force, was all part of the plan to divide Cyprus without anyone lifting a finger to help solve the situation. It was basically a David V's Goliath, and the Goliath was not going to allow David to change the situation. What Turkey and Denktash never envision that could happen that will throw a "monkey wrench" into their occupation plan, was for RoC entering the EU. This was the moment that will change the course of history for Cyprus, from the ones Turkey and Denktash had predicted. In essence, the lucky shot by David against Goliath with his sling shot did not have a stone in it, but it was the EU. It was this lucky shot that has stunned the mighty Goliath who has been shaken off his feet since 2004.

[Nikitas]

Kikapu,

The partition goal is so old and so firmly fixed in the policy direction of Turkey that it will take something close to a revolution in thought to change it. At least that is what I gather the more I study Turkey's strategy and tactics.

Now with the EU as an added factor there is pressure to change, but also resistance as expressed by senior army people and like my history teacher used to say "the center of power in a nation, gentlemen, is the army, don't you forget that!".

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

The partition goal is so old and so firmly fixed in the policy direction of Turkey that it will take something close to a revolution in thought to change it. At least that is what I gather the more I study Turkey's strategy and tactics.

Now with the EU as an added factor there is pressure to change, but also resistance as expressed by senior army people and like my history teacher used to say "the center of power in a nation, gentlemen, is the army, don't you forget that!".

There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.