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[greek.god]

BC, the first step is the status of Kosovo, and then comes EU membership. That first step is what I was discussing.

First they have to figure out if it is going to be independent. If yes, then it will have to guarantee minority rights, including property and residence rights of its inorities- Serbs, Gypsies and others. Then it can become a mber of the EU.

From what you have seen so far, does it look as if the Kosovars are able to gurantee the rights of Kosovo Serbs and others up to EU standards?

Nikitas,Kosovo has been a self-governing U.N. protectorate since 1999.The independence of Kosovo will mark the burial of the failed pipedream that was 'Yugoslavia'.It is hard to say what guarantees Kosovo's ethnic minorities will be given.You've got to remember that both the Albanians & the Kosovars are extremely clannish people who still fight among themselves.

Aidan.

The right of return for Kosovar Serbs and others has been in effect for almost 5 years now. UNMIK has been repatriating both Serbs and Kosovar Albanians with their rightfull property. The UN has been forcefully evicting squatters both Serb and Kosovar Albanian.

Most Kosovar Serbs refuse to return to Kosovo and have sold of their properties to Kosovar Albanians thru the auspices of the U.N.

Wonder why this couldn't work in Cyprus.

[74LB]

Kikapu
There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.

It's sad that your views are so "anti TC or anti Turk anything". Your constant referal to the "Pigs in Animal Farm" (ie your view of the people of the TRNC and the TRNC itself) is also getting a lttle long in the tooth now...imho

[zan]

VP,

Of course the EU recognises the north as far as it is a part of Cyprus! Once the north becomes a parallel of Taiwan it will have to prove on its own that it fulfills EU standards to qualify for everything it gets. The EU is not an independent state, it is a collection of states, and the EU employees have to account for what they do to ALL member governments. How will they justify dealing with this new Taiwan like entity if it is not a member, does not want to be a member, cannot meet the standards of membership? That is the question regarding membership.

The EU principles do not permit the expropriation of property. So when an EU funded project includes GC land how will the EU go ahead and fund it? The RoC will drag the EU Commission to the EU court and cancel deals like that. The EU works with rules, regulations and directives applied by civil servants. It is not an empire.

why do you keep forgetting what a state Greece was in when it was "Dragged Kicking and screaming " into the EU by last minute attempts by the USA....... What snobbery you guys have...You get into the club and ground level and then act as if you own it...Sounds like your views on Cyprus too!!!

[Kikapu]

Kikapu
There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.

It's sad that your views are so "anti TC or anti Turk anything". Your constant referal to the "Pigs in Animal Farm" (ie your view of the people of the TRNC and the TRNC itself) is also getting a lttle long in the tooth now...imho

74LB,

On the contrary, my views are not anti TC or anti Turk, but the opposite. I'm against those who control the TC's because they can, because it is good for them and not the TC's themselves. If you know the story of "Animal Farm", and who doesn't, specially those who have attended school in the UK, then you will know, what I'm talking about 74LB. Just look at the survey that was made the other day, when 60% of those living in the North said yes to a 2 state solution....Partition in another words. Now we all know, that close to half of those who voted yes were not TC's but settlers, because the leadership has allowed the settlers to distort the real results on what the TC's want. Of course all the settlers are going to vote for Partition. How else are they going to be able to stay in the homes of the GC's. They don't care if there never is a settlement in Cyprus, because they will benefit at our loss. Once again, those in power were able to stick it to the average TC. Just like the Pigs in the story "Animal Farm" who denied equal rights and treatment of all animals because they put themselves above and in control of all others, just because they could. I know it is little heavy using the term "Animal Farm", but that's how I see our people in the "TRNC" being treated. They are denied to make the choice for themselves, because those in charge will not allow them to do so.

I hope I was able to clear up your concerns 74LB.

[zan]

Kikapu
There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.

It's sad that your views are so "anti TC or anti Turk anything". Your constant referal to the "Pigs in Animal Farm" (ie your view of the people of the TRNC and the TRNC itself) is also getting a lttle long in the tooth now...imho

74LB,

On the contrary, my views are not anti TC or anti Turk, but the opposite. I'm against those who control the TC's because they can, because it is good for them and not the TC's themselves. If you know the story of "Animal Farm", and who doesn't, specially those who have attended school in the UK, then you will know, what I'm talking about 74LB. Just look at the survey that was made the other day, when 60% of those living in the North said yes to a 2 state solution....Partition in another words. Now we all know, that close to half of those who voted yes were not TC's but settlers, because the leadership has allowed the settlers to distort the real results on what the TC's want. Of course all the settlers are going to vote for Partition. How else are they going to be able to stay in the homes of the GC's. They don't care if there never is a settlement in Cyprus, because they will benefit at our loss. Once again, those in power were able to stick it to the average TC. Just like the Pigs in the story "Animal Farm" who denied equal rights and treatment of all animals because they put themselves above and in control of all others, just because they could. I know it is little heavy using the term "Animal Farm", but that's how I see our people in the "TRNC" being treated. They are denied to make the choice for themselves, because those in charge will not allow them to do so.

I hope I was able to clear up your concerns 74LB.

EMPTY>>>>PLEASE FILL UP AT THE NEXT BULLSHIT STATION>>>>>>>>>

[74LB]

Kikapu
There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.

It's sad that your views are so "anti TC or anti Turk anything". Your constant referal to the "Pigs in Animal Farm" (ie your view of the people of the TRNC and the TRNC itself) is also getting a lttle long in the tooth now...imho

74LB,

On the contrary, my views are not anti TC or anti Turk, but the opposite. I'm against those who control the TC's because they can, because it is good for them and not the TC's themselves. If you know the story of "Animal Farm", and who doesn't, specially those who have attended school in the UK, then you will know, what I'm talking about 74LB. Just look at the survey that was made the other day, when 60% of those living in the North said yes to a 2 state solution....Partition in another words. Now we all know, that close to half of those who voted yes were not TC's but settlers, because the leadership has allowed the settlers to distort the real results on what the TC's want. Of course all the settlers are going to vote for Partition. How else are they going to be able to stay in the homes of the GC's. They don't care if there never is a settlement in Cyprus, because they will benefit at our loss. Once again, those in power were able to stick it to the average TC. Just like the Pigs in the story "Animal Farm" who denied equal rights and treatment of all animals because they put themselves above and in control of all others, just because they could. I know it is little heavy using the term "Animal Farm", but that's how I see our people in the "TRNC" being treated. They are denied to make the choice for themselves, because those in charge will not allow them to do so.

I hope I was able to clear up your concerns 74LB.

Not really.............all my immediate family are in the TRNC. Yes, there are settlers from Turkey, and yes there may well be differences between TC's & Turkish settlers. but no-one, and I repeat no-one that I know wants a return to the way it was prior to 1974.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu
There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.

It's sad that your views are so "anti TC or anti Turk anything". Your constant referal to the "Pigs in Animal Farm" (ie your view of the people of the TRNC and the TRNC itself) is also getting a lttle long in the tooth now...imho

74LB,

On the contrary, my views are not anti TC or anti Turk, but the opposite. I'm against those who control the TC's because they can, because it is good for them and not the TC's themselves. If you know the story of "Animal Farm", and who doesn't, specially those who have attended school in the UK, then you will know, what I'm talking about 74LB. Just look at the survey that was made the other day, when 60% of those living in the North said yes to a 2 state solution....Partition in another words. Now we all know, that close to half of those who voted yes were not TC's but settlers, because the leadership has allowed the settlers to distort the real results on what the TC's want. Of course all the settlers are going to vote for Partition. How else are they going to be able to stay in the homes of the GC's. They don't care if there never is a settlement in Cyprus, because they will benefit at our loss. Once again, those in power were able to stick it to the average TC. Just like the Pigs in the story "Animal Farm" who denied equal rights and treatment of all animals because they put themselves above and in control of all others, just because they could. I know it is little heavy using the term "Animal Farm", but that's how I see our people in the "TRNC" being treated. They are denied to make the choice for themselves, because those in charge will not allow them to do so.

I hope I was able to clear up your concerns 74LB.

Not really.............all my immediate family are in the TRNC. Yes, there are settlers from Turkey, and yes there may well be differences between TC's & Turkish settlers. but no-one, and I repeat no-one that I know wants a return to the way it was prior to 1974.

but no-one, and I repeat no-one that I know wants a return to the way it was prior to 1974

The above quote from you is also far from TC's saying that they want a Partition, does it not.??

74LB, I have never suggested that we should go back to pre-74 times. That's why I call for a True Federation type of Government with True Democracy with all Cypriots rights given to everyone equally, but that is far from asking for Partition.

If you never read my proposals, take a look. The Partitionist do not like it, because it's not what they want. They don't care that 70% TC's are not for Partition, based on the recent survey, where 60% those living in the North said yes to Partition. This was a survey mind you and not a vote, where no one had to prove that they are a citizen to cast a vote. So every settler who were asked if they wanted a 2 state solution (Partition), would only say YES. Why on earth would they say NO and lose their free GC property. So I'm being generous and say, that half of the 60% voted YES in the survey were settlers. So only 30% TC's would have said YES to a Partition and the other 70% not wanting a Partition. Now do you see my "Animal Farm" story being relevant.

Here is my plan.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12055

[Kikapu]

Kikapu
There's no denying, that in every 3rd world country the military power is the KING. Not against their neighboring countries so much, but against their own people. The military leaders do play the part as the "Pigs in Animal Farm" who do not believe in Democracy or even equality amongst their own people. Too bad Turkey also falls into this category and has not advanced to the values of the West yet, but I do see positive signs from Turkey that will sooner or later will want to join the West, and you are right, this may take a revolution from within, or from their own "friendly countries" when the right time comes. Remember what my old girlfriend said Nikitas, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck". Of course, the "TRNC" is already a corrupt state and has no legitimacy in what they say and do. Unfortunately, when corruption starts at the top, it finds it's way all the way down to the common person on the street. How can it not. You can see how some members are already corrupted in their views on this forum. Corruption comes in many forms and not just in money and power, but accepting injustices inflicted on others as well as living off the misery of others are also corruption due to having corrupted their values by corrupting their souls.

It's sad that your views are so "anti TC or anti Turk anything". Your constant referal to the "Pigs in Animal Farm" (ie your view of the people of the TRNC and the TRNC itself) is also getting a lttle long in the tooth now...imho

74LB,

On the contrary, my views are not anti TC or anti Turk, but the opposite. I'm against those who control the TC's because they can, because it is good for them and not the TC's themselves. If you know the story of "Animal Farm", and who doesn't, specially those who have attended school in the UK, then you will know, what I'm talking about 74LB. Just look at the survey that was made the other day, when 60% of those living in the North said yes to a 2 state solution....Partition in another words. Now we all know, that close to half of those who voted yes were not TC's but settlers, because the leadership has allowed the settlers to distort the real results on what the TC's want. Of course all the settlers are going to vote for Partition. How else are they going to be able to stay in the homes of the GC's. They don't care if there never is a settlement in Cyprus, because they will benefit at our loss. Once again, those in power were able to stick it to the average TC. Just like the Pigs in the story "Animal Farm" who denied equal rights and treatment of all animals because they put themselves above and in control of all others, just because they could. I know it is little heavy using the term "Animal Farm", but that's how I see our people in the "TRNC" being treated. They are denied to make the choice for themselves, because those in charge will not allow them to do so.

I hope I was able to clear up your concerns 74LB.

EMPTY>>>>PLEASE FILL UP AT THE NEXT BULLSHIT STATION>>>>>>>>>

Anyone who is a Bullshitter and a Liar here, has to be you.

Look, there's even a picture of you to fit your image.



Zan the Pinocchio



Zan the Pinocchio

You can now join the "funnies club" along with Miss Piggy and Kermit the Frog, or better known as Mr. Frog.

[zan]

Sorry don't get it.....

[phoenix]

"Rauf Denktash's advisor Mümtaz Soysal (a mainland Turkish politician), adressing Turkish Cypriot community leaders in London in 1996, starkly informed them that they could forget the idea that Turkish Cypriots would become EU members before Turkey did, because Turkey would never permit this. (Toplum Postası 27 June 1996)"

Sounds like a death grip rather than a motherly embrace! Turkey would never "permit this", and then people here like Zan and VP try to portray the north as an "independent" country. They have been, they are and always will be under Turkey's thumb and no one can get them out of it but themselves. If they want to, that is.

So Nikatis whats you point? you know we have a very strong relationship with Turkey as these people not only saved our lives but also support us both financially and morally, why do you hate this so much, we never had this relationship with GCs and appears we never will.

MORALLY . . . .????

Seriously, are the Turk-TCs taking MORALITY lessons from TURKEY ????

. . . . well that explains a lot