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[Nikitas]

Zan notes:

"why do you keep forgetting what a state Greece was in when it was "Dragged Kicking and screaming " into the EU by last minute attempts by the USA....... What snobbery you guys have...You get into the club and ground level and then act as if you own it...Sounds like your views on Cyprus too!!!"


I dont know how old you are, but when Greece entered trhe EEC as it was then I was 31 and working as a reported covering the accession process on a daily basis. The USA was nowhere in sight. Your history is off on this subject as it is on many others.

The entry into the EEC was the work of one man who managed by force of personality and a healthy parliamentary majority to convince Greeks to accept his will- then prime minisnter Karamanlis. H built on this countless personal meeting with other European leaders and this much is corroborated by leaders like Helkmut Schmidt and Giscard D'Estaing. And finally, Greece met all the critiera set by the EU just like any other candidate member state. There are no discounts in EU entry.

Now as to the club thing. It so happens that the EU works on some things via unanimous vote. On daily routine matters it works via the Commission which is the civil service and is accountable both to the EU parliament and the Council of Ministers. Your cynical Turkish inspired philosophy cannot fathom a system which actually does have checks and balances and does work according to the principles that guide it in practice and not just in theory.

No Eu civil servant will bend the rules. And the rules are there for all participants and apply equally. What I was asking, and still am, is if the north is ready and willing to accept the setup of rules and principles. So far what we hear is that it did not enter the EU, that the RoC entered, but despite of not being a participant it is ready to accept help and financial aid from the EU. These bullshit games are not going to be tolerated for very long. Either you decide you are in or you are out. So which is it?

[boomerang]

Either you decide you are in or you are out. So which is it?

I think you are asking the person here Nikitas...They need to be told what they want as the decision process, as everyone knows, is made by the turks...and their motto is what's mine is mine and what's yours is also mine...

PS...the last thing turkey needs is the tcs parading as EU citizens...and suing her along with everyone else for all her mis-doings

Can the tcs sue turkey for not allowing access to their properties in the RoC the last 30 odd years?...for example in Limassol?...I don't see why they can't...

[Belenos]

One thng the "TRNC does not understand is that should they gain independence and join the EU before Turkey then the following will happen.


The "trnc" will have to follow EU regulation regarding immigration from Turkey thus blocking all further influx of Anatolian/Turkish/3-legged Albanian settlers.
Seeing as both the ROC and the "trnc" would both be membes of the EU then all restrictions regarding movement/settlemen ofGC's in the north will have to be lifted. COnstitutional amendments regarding the possibility of electing and voting for GC's and any other EU members will need to be made.

Which means: over a 5 year timespan the GC's could become the majority in the north again, elect a GC leader and request Enosis with the ROC....

Your plan seems fine but the the EU doesn't recognize the "TRNC", which is damned good too.

[Belenos]

So Nikatis whats you point? you know we have a very strong relationship with Turkey as these people not only saved our lives but also support us both financially and morally, why do you hate this so much, we never had this relationship with GCs and appears we never will.

They didnt save your lives, they saved their own interests.

GC's have every right to hate it, I would too if I were in their situation. Turks came as an invading force and not as a peace keeping one. TC's were a small minority before and somehow you guys wound up with half the island? how does this make any sense at all? you tell me

[Viewpoint]

So Nikatis whats you point? you know we have a very strong relationship with Turkey as these people not only saved our lives but also support us both financially and morally, why do you hate this so much, we never had this relationship with GCs and appears we never will.

They didnt save your lives, they saved their own interests.

GC's have every right to hate it, I would too if I were in their situation. Turks came as an invading force and not as a peace keeping one. TC's were a small minority before and somehow you guys wound up with half the island? how does this make any sense at all? you tell me

Do you know anything about the events from 1963 to 1974?

[Belenos]

So Nikatis whats you point? you know we have a very strong relationship with Turkey as these people not only saved our lives but also support us both financially and morally, why do you hate this so much, we never had this relationship with GCs and appears we never will.

They didnt save your lives, they saved their own interests.

GC's have every right to hate it, I would too if I were in their situation. Turks came as an invading force and not as a peace keeping one. TC's were a small minority before and somehow you guys wound up with half the island? how does this make any sense at all? you tell me

Do you know anything about the events from 1963 to 1974?

If I didn't know the slightest thing about Cyprus than I wouldn't be here posting now would I?

[zan]

Zan notes:

"why do you keep forgetting what a state Greece was in when it was "Dragged Kicking and screaming " into the EU by last minute attempts by the USA....... What snobbery you guys have...You get into the club and ground level and then act as if you own it...Sounds like your views on Cyprus too!!!"


I dont know how old you are, but when Greece entered trhe EEC as it was then I was 31 and working as a reported covering the accession process on a daily basis. The USA was nowhere in sight. Your history is off on this subject as it is on many others.

The entry into the EEC was the work of one man who managed by force of personality and a healthy parliamentary majority to convince Greeks to accept his will- then prime minisnter Karamanlis. H built on this countless personal meeting with other European leaders and this much is corroborated by leaders like Helkmut Schmidt and Giscard D'Estaing. And finally, Greece met all the critiera set by the EU just like any other candidate member state. There are no discounts in EU entry.

Now as to the club thing. It so happens that the EU works on some things via unanimous vote. On daily routine matters it works via the Commission which is the civil service and is accountable both to the EU parliament and the Council of Ministers. Your cynical Turkish inspired philosophy cannot fathom a system which actually does have checks and balances and does work according to the principles that guide it in practice and not just in theory.

No Eu civil servant will bend the rules. And the rules are there for all participants and apply equally. What I was asking, and still am, is if the north is ready and willing to accept the setup of rules and principles. So far what we hear is that it did not enter the EU, that the RoC entered, but despite of not being a participant it is ready to accept help and financial aid from the EU. These bullshit games are not going to be tolerated for very long. Either you decide you are in or you are out. So which is it?

Have a look mate...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus11110-30.html

[Viewpoint]

So Nikatis whats you point? you know we have a very strong relationship with Turkey as these people not only saved our lives but also support us both financially and morally, why do you hate this so much, we never had this relationship with GCs and appears we never will.

They didnt save your lives, they saved their own interests.

GC's have every right to hate it, I would too if I were in their situation. Turks came as an invading force and not as a peace keeping one. TC's were a small minority before and somehow you guys wound up with half the island? how does this make any sense at all? you tell me

Do you know anything about the events from 1963 to 1974?

If I didn't know the slightest thing about Cyprus than I wouldn't be here posting now would I?

Your comments indicate you know nothing about the events which lead us to where we are today, tell us what you know?

[growuptcs]

What does it matter what he knows about Cyprus, Dr. Spindoctor? Are you going to explain to him why Northern Cyprus should be for Turks, you foreigner with an attitude.

[Belenos]

What does it matter what he knows about Cyprus, Dr. Spindoctor? Are you going to explain to him why Northern Cyprus should be for Turks, you foreigner with an attitude.

Dont worry mate I know not to trust a turk...
and anyways You can see by history that there should be no such place as TRNC.