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[Jerry]

The bottom line is Cyprus has been ruled by foreigners and those foreigners didn't want to leave Cyprus due to their own geopolitical reasons so they used the TC minority as the excuse to maintain their control over our island and not to allow the Cypriot people to have their freedom and self determination.

For you Piratis:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 194#243194

Provided by Jerry. Interesting reading.

And here's some more, this is by Costas M. Constantinou
Professor of International Relations
School of Politics, International Relations
and Philosophy,
Keele University,

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~wwwir/cpcs ... aporia.pdf

[Nikitas]

Re the American influence, or as some might call it, interference in Cyprus.

On the GC side, shortly after independence there was a political movement (you cannot call it a party really) with the acronym EDMA (for United Democratic Front) was set up. The money for this right wing thing was provided by Americans. In Famagusta they had offices in the center of town and their cars, all bearing sequential number plates were bought with American money, were parked outside and they were the talk of the town back in the early 60s. Some of the EDMA members were former EOKA fighters and to this day I have not figured out what the objectives of this movement-party were.

Maybe others who remember or know more can tell us. And it would be interesting to find out if there was something similar on the TC side.

Also on the same subject of American influence in Cyprus there are the writings of Makario's confidant Patroclos Stavrou who details how the Americans were given at least two installations in Cyprus, the one being a listening post in Mia Milia.

Stavrou recalls a meeting between Makarios and George Ball in which Makarios asked the American if there was something in Cyprus foreign policy that the US wanted changed- nothing responded Ball. Was there anything they wanted added- again the answer was nothing. Do we conclude from the above that Cyprus was toeing the US line to the satisfaction of the USA in the 60s ?

[BirKibrisli]

Re the American influence, or as some might call it, interference in Cyprus.

On the GC side, shortly after independence there was a political movement (you cannot call it a party really) with the acronym EDMA (for United Democratic Front) was set up. The money for this right wing thing was provided by Americans. In Famagusta they had offices in the center of town and their cars, all bearing sequential number plates were bought with American money, were parked outside and they were the talk of the town back in the early 60s. Some of the EDMA members were former EOKA fighters and to this day I have not figured out what the objectives of this movement-party were.

Maybe others who remember or know more can tell us. And it would be interesting to find out if there was something similar on the TC side.

Also on the same subject of American influence in Cyprus there are the writings of Makario's confidant Patroclos Stavrou who details how the Americans were given at least two installations in Cyprus, the one being a listening post in Mia Milia.

Stavrou recalls a meeting between Makarios and George Ball in which Makarios asked the American if there was something in Cyprus foreign policy that the US wanted changed- nothing responded Ball. Was there anything they wanted added- again the answer was nothing. Do we conclude from the above that Cyprus was toeing the US line to the satisfaction of the USA in the 60s ?

I am not aware of any ouvert American- supported activities on the TC side,Nikitas. There was little socialist/communist activity amongst the TCs at the time. Left-leaning TCs were members of the PEO or AKEL in any case. But I know that the Americans were very worried about the rising influence and support of AKEL. EDMA would've been there to counter the surge in communist support,I presume...

[BirKibrisli]

The TC/Turkish demand for 'Cyprus to be returned to her previous rulers' was of course an ambit claim. It was invented and manipulated by the British to serve their own purposes. By 1956 however Cyprus problem had reached a new turning point...

The 15 July,1955 edition of Turkey's influential "Forum" magazine had come up with a new solution : The Partition (Taksim) of Cyprus between Turkey and Greece... On 25 February 1956,this idea was repeated in the Turkish parilament by the independent member for Manisa,Hikmet Bayur.
And on 19 July 1956,in an speech to the House of Commons,the Conservative MP Walter Elliot put the idea of partition officially on the British political agenda as "something to be seriously considered as the final solution".

The idea gained enough momentum to be reported in the Athens newspapers on 14 october 1956.And by the end of 1956 the idea was warmly embraced by the Turkish prime Minister Menderes who,not so long ago,was on record for saying that Cyprus was not a piece of cloth to be torn up any which way...

By the end of 1957,the TMT slogan "Ya Taksim Ya Olum"(Partition or Death) was painted all over Cyprus in blood-red paint.. Yet there were still people warning of the gravity of such a solution as early as January,1957. Following is a translation of the appropriate sections of a letter (translation by me-BK) to Professor Nihat Erim (later to be appointed Prime Minister by the Military) who was the Head of the committee preparing the official Turkish policy on Cyprus:

" ...Turks and Greeks of Cyprus are one indivisible people who have lived together for hundreds of years on these lands. They have ploughed fields together,worked side by side in workshops as brothers together,lived side by side together and embraced each other in towns and villages,laughed together in good times and cried together in the bad times,sharing a common fate...

"...The idea of Partition mentioned in the British Parilament recently is not only impractical but also impossible to serve as a lasting solution. Turkish and Greek Cypriots do not live separately in their exclusive areas. Such a solution would necessitate internal migration which will prove impossible to accomplish without serious ramifications...

" Our heroic nation has taken the lead role in the libertion struggle against colonialism in the Near and Middle East. This is written in gold in our own history,and it is admired by the rest of the world. It is our bigest wish to see this honorable historical tradition continue. And History has put that responsibility primarily on your own shoulders..."

Signed
Administrator
Turkish Cypriot Branch
AKEL

[zan]

Now we wait for Nikitas to come back and ell us that he did not realise that Taksim was so prevalent and that EOKA and ENOSIS was only on walls in dark allies and where people could not see them.....

[Eric dayi]

Now we wait for Nikitas to come back and ell us that he did not realise that Taksim was so prevalent and that EOKA and ENSIS was only on walls in dark allies and where people could not see them.....

Every country/nation has it morons, unfortunately the TRNC/TC nation has two and they are both present as Kick-a-poo and Brkibrisli in this forum.

As for GCs/South Greek Cyprus, they are all united here to spew their lies propaganda and also their undying hatred against anything Turkish and Muslim. It is this hatred and of course the help of the two TC morons mentioned above that forces them to contradict themselves over and over again in the hope that no one will realise their stupidity.

The GCs and the Greeks believe they are superior to us Turks and TCs. Kick-a-poo and Birkibrisli also believe they are superior to any TC/Turk and do not want to let themselves be stuck in the same "inferior" class as the rest of us but this thread started by a moron proves more than any other thread what stupid fools and morons they are to live in the dream world they are currently living in.

What can I say, they are just morons who don;t have a clue of what they are doing and to tell you the truth I am glad it is morons like these who we have to deal with and not a nation who know what they are doing.

I thank God or whoever is responsible for creating morons like them otherwise there would now not be a nation of TCs and the TRNC would never have been born.


Oh BTW, before I forget, I am off to the TRNC for my winter hols in a couple of days, what's the temperatures like over there at the moment?

[denizaksulu]

Don't you people go to sleep at all????

While i was in the land of nod some were upto your old tricks. But no worries. Rome was not built in one day...or one week...or one month.

I too want to thank Jerry for that link. I had a quick look and saved it for detailed study for later. If this thread achieves nothing else but the uncovering of that material I would consider it a success..

Now let me go away and compose some more narrative for you guys to consider...Well done ,everyone!

Yes BK, you go and compose and leave the fighting to us.

Study that link thoroughly, very informative indeed. Even the pirates up Piratis street.

[Eric dayi]

To put this Enosis thing in some perspective.

It was an ideal, to unite with a Greece which existed in GCs minds in an idealised form. Most people had not been to Greece, had not met a Greek from Greece and apart from movies and some magazines had no regular contact with Greece.

LIAR!

As for Greece itself in 1954, it was still recovering from the German occupation of 1940-1945 and the civil war from 1946-49. Together both of these conflicts had claimed about one million lives and left Greece with a fiercely anti cimmunist regime. THis anticommunism of the Greeks was to cause much grief later on when mainland Greek army officers staffed the Cypriot national guard. These guys could not fathom that Cyprus had not had the experience of the Greek civil war between pro western and communist forces. They misconstrued Cypriot confusion at their rantings as apathy in the face of the national threat of communism. They took it on themselves to purify the Cypriot soul and to contain the non existent communist threat. This tied in well with the phantoms of another major player, the Americans.

One other factor in this is that the Cypriot struggle for Enosis, which Bir will get to in time, was for Greece a relatively risk free affair. If the Cypriots won and Cyprus united with Greece it would be a gain. If the Cypriots lost and Cyprus remained British it would not be a loss. Greece encouraged the Enosis struggle but it did not actively help it beyond sending some surplus small arms. That lukewarm approach should have rang some alarm bells in Cypriot heads. But Enosis was an ideal and ideals are emotional things, not amenable to rational challenges.

I will let Bir bring us up to date before I add more GC perspectives.

Liar!

Jesus Christ, will you Greeks and GCs ever learn to tell the truth and stop telling lies?

Hey Nikitas, I called you a LIAR but have not seen you reply to defend yourself. Do you agree that you are a liar or do you want me to prove your lies. It might be in your interest to come clean and apologise what you lied about instead of being proven a liar. What do you say?

[BirKibrisli]

Don't you people go to sleep at all????

While i was in the land of nod some were upto your old tricks. But no worries. Rome was not built in one day...or one week...or one month.

I too want to thank Jerry for that link. I had a quick look and saved it for detailed study for later. If this thread achieves nothing else but the uncovering of that material I would consider it a success..

Now let me go away and compose some more narrative for you guys to consider...Well done ,everyone!

Yes BK, you go and compose and leave the fighting to us.

Study that link thoroughly, very informative indeed. Even the pirates up Piratis street.

I have no intention of fighting with anyone,Deniz yegen.
I am not making this stuff up.It is all there buried deep in the piles of official hatemongering propaganda. I am just digging it up for those people who would like to learn the true story of our tragic past...Eric Dayi and Zan are proving Piratis right. There are some people who simply refuse to see anything beyond one-sided brainwashing racist propaganda...It must be a very good feeling to be so sure that all the blame in our sorry saga is squarely on the "other" side...

[Viewpoint]

Don't you people go to sleep at all????

While i was in the land of nod some were upto your old tricks. But no worries. Rome was not built in one day...or one week...or one month.

I too want to thank Jerry for that link. I had a quick look and saved it for detailed study for later. If this thread achieves nothing else but the uncovering of that material I would consider it a success..

Now let me go away and compose some more narrative for you guys to consider...Well done ,everyone!

Yes BK, you go and compose and leave the fighting to us.

Study that link thoroughly, very informative indeed. Even the pirates up Piratis street.

I have no intention of fighting with anyone,Deniz yegen.
I am not making this stuff up.It is all there buried deep in the piles of official hatemongering propaganda. I am just digging it up for those people who would like to learn the true story of our tragic past...Eric Dayi and Zan are proving Piratis right. There are some people who simply refuse to see anything beyond one-sided brainwashing racist propaganda...It must be a very good feeling to be so sure that all the blame in our sorry saga is squarely on the "other" side...

Doesnt that cut both ways?