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[Eric dayi]

Don't you people go to sleep at all????

While i was in the land of nod some were upto your old tricks. But no worries. Rome was not built in one day...or one week...or one month.

I too want to thank Jerry for that link. I had a quick look and saved it for detailed study for later. If this thread achieves nothing else but the uncovering of that material I would consider it a success..

Now let me go away and compose some more narrative for you guys to consider...Well done ,everyone!

Yes BK, you go and compose and leave the fighting to us.

Study that link thoroughly, very informative indeed. Even the pirates up Piratis street.

I have no intention of fighting with anyone,Deniz yegen.
I am not making this stuff up.It is all there buried deep in the piles of official hatemongering propaganda. I am just digging it up for those people who would like to learn the true story of our tragic past...Eric Dayi and Zan are proving Piratis right. There are some people who simply refuse to see anything beyond one-sided brainwashing racist propaganda...It must be a very good feeling to be so sure that all the blame in our sorry saga is squarely on the "other" side...

Are you too stupid to see the reality Bir? It seems that you really are.

You are "digging" up some stuff that we already know about and repeating the same shite over and over again.

Now answer some questions below to make me believe you are not as stupid as you seem to be in this and other forums?

1) Did the GCs and Greeks want ENOSIS?

2)Did the GCs and Greeks tried to kill all us TCs to achieve their ENOSIS?

3) Would you have been happier if the GCs and Greeks actually achieved their ENOSIS?

4) Do you agree that we TCs had to fight back to stop the GCs and Greeks from achieving their ENOSIS or should we (TCs) have laid down and let them turn us in to Greek Muslims?

5) Did your own father who you say was a TMT fighter agreed to give the GCs and Greeks their ENOSIS or did he fight against it?

That'll do for a start, you don't have to give a comprehensive reply if you are too lazy, just a "Yes" or "NO" will do for each question. But you know we'll all know if you are lying or not so I suggest you think before you answer.

I doubt very much that you will have the guts to answer any or all of the questions I put to you above so I will not hold my breath waiting. More the pity eh? It means you will not get rid of me and that I will be on your case what ever lies and GC/Greek propaganda you try to spread.

[zan]

Don't you people go to sleep at all????

While i was in the land of nod some were upto your old tricks. But no worries. Rome was not built in one day...or one week...or one month.

I too want to thank Jerry for that link. I had a quick look and saved it for detailed study for later. If this thread achieves nothing else but the uncovering of that material I would consider it a success..

Now let me go away and compose some more narrative for you guys to consider...Well done ,everyone!

Yes BK, you go and compose and leave the fighting to us.

Study that link thoroughly, very informative indeed. Even the pirates up Piratis street.

I have no intention of fighting with anyone,Deniz yegen.
I am not making this stuff up.It is all there buried deep in the piles of official hatemongering propaganda. I am just digging it up for those people who would like to learn the true story of our tragic past...Eric Dayi and Zan are proving Piratis right. There are some people who simply refuse to see anything beyond one-sided brainwashing racist propaganda...It must be a very good feeling to be so sure that all the blame in our sorry saga is squarely on the "other" side...

Birkibrisli to Piratis' rescue once again

You started off by telling us that you could only put the TC side of the story and that others should put forward the GC side...Apart from Nikitas, who is more interested in saving face and justifying the GC actions...Who else has ventured an account of what the GCs did. Not a sausage And by you saying that you only know the Turkish side , does that not make your account a little one sided because as these things were going on what were the GCs doing. This whole thead is a waste of time and a blatant attack on the Turkish Cypriot people by you.

You have shown your colours many times Bir and you are doing it again here. You asked for back up to show that the GCs accept their part on all this and you got nothing. You asked for back up again and you still are getting nothing...You clearly believe that the TCs are to blame for everything with your claim that the information is out here...So why don't you find it and post a balanced thread instead of running us into the ground. What does it take for you to realise that these people do not play fair. You have given them the feeling that they are right and we are wrong...As if they needed any encouragement.....Where is your balance.....Why don't you just admit that you hate the TCs and the Turks equally and have done with it. Your house lays in ruin in the "RoC" and still we are to blame. We suffer embargoes at the hands of our killers and still you blame us. hat sort of a man are you??? If you end up living with the likes of Piratis then good...You deserve each other!!!


What happened to my New years Greetings.....I sent you one at that false name you gave me...You know the one..The one that you made up to fool me into thinking you were someone else...Te one that you don't check any more because it was meant just for me.......

[zan]

Time for me to go to bed so you can come out now Bir......Give up on trying to remember the pass word for that email address...At your age you will never do it!!!!

[Eric dayi]

Time for me to go to bed so you can come out now Bir......

I am still awake and waiting for answers, that is if Bir has the guts to answer my questions.

Give up on trying to remember the pass word for that email address...At your age you will never do it!!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...he tried that old trick with you as well did he? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....what an idiot!

BTW, from his own "story" he must be well into his 60's so unless he wrote the password down, no chace.

[Piratis]

Birkibrisli to Piratis' rescue once again

Bir is just stating the obvious.

You started off by telling us that you could only put the TC side of the story and that others should put forward the GC side...Apart from Nikitas, who is more interested in saving face and justifying the GC actions...Who else has ventured an account of what the GCs did. Not a sausage

Zan, we never denied our wrong doings and our share of the blame.

The Generals of the Athens Junta were jailed, same goes for Samson in Cyprus. The actions of EOKA B were officially condemned, the fact that innocent TCs were killed during the intercommunal conflict was never denied.

Now look at your side: Were those Turks that made the invasion jailed? No on the contrary you celebrate it. Were the actions of TMT during the 60s condemned? Again NO. Do you admit that you killed 100s of Greek Cypriots during the intercommunal conflict and 1000s during the invasion? NO again.

What Bir does now is what we did officially many years ago. What more do you want us to say?

Apparently what you would like to be satisfied is nothing less than placing the whole blame on Greek Cypriots so you can label Greek Cypriots as the "evil" ones and you as the "Virgin Mary" and based on that excuse your criminal and illegal occupation of our country that you support today.

[BirKibrisli]

Don't you people go to sleep at all????

While i was in the land of nod some were upto your old tricks. But no worries. Rome was not built in one day...or one week...or one month.

I too want to thank Jerry for that link. I had a quick look and saved it for detailed study for later. If this thread achieves nothing else but the uncovering of that material I would consider it a success..

Now let me go away and compose some more narrative for you guys to consider...Well done ,everyone!

Yes BK, you go and compose and leave the fighting to us.

Study that link thoroughly, very informative indeed. Even the pirates up Piratis street.

I have no intention of fighting with anyone,Deniz yegen.
I am not making this stuff up.It is all there buried deep in the piles of official hatemongering propaganda. I am just digging it up for those people who would like to learn the true story of our tragic past...Eric Dayi and Zan are proving Piratis right. There are some people who simply refuse to see anything beyond one-sided brainwashing racist propaganda...It must be a very good feeling to be so sure that all the blame in our sorry saga is squarely on the "other" side...

Doesnt that cut both ways?

Yes,viewpoint,it does...I see no need to state the obvious in my posts.

[BirKibrisli]

Are you too stupid to see the reality Bir? It seems that you really are.

You are "digging" up some stuff that we already know about and repeating the same shite over and over again.

Now answer some questions below to make me believe you are not as stupid as you seem to be in this and other forums?

1) Did the GCs and Greeks want ENOSIS?

2)Did the GCs and Greeks tried to kill all us TCs to achieve their ENOSIS?

3) Would you have been happier if the GCs and Greeks actually achieved their ENOSIS?

4) Do you agree that we TCs had to fight back to stop the GCs and Greeks from achieving their ENOSIS or should we (TCs) have laid down and let them turn us in to Greek Muslims?

5) Did your own father who you say was a TMT fighter agreed to give the GCs and Greeks their ENOSIS or did he fight against it?

That'll do for a start, you don't have to give a comprehensive reply if you are too lazy, just a "Yes" or "NO" will do for each question. But you know we'll all know if you are lying or not so I suggest you think before you answer.

I doubt very much that you will have the guts to answer any or all of the questions I put to you above so I will not hold my breath waiting. More the pity eh? It means you will not get rid of me and that I will be on your case what ever lies and GC/Greek propaganda you try to spread.

Please don't think I am replying because you challenged me in your last paragraph,Eric...You have taken the time to write out your questions. They do not include insults (I am choosing to ignore your opening salvo!) so they deserve to be answered...

1. YES

2. NO

3. NO

4. We had a legitimate reason to fight to stop ENOSIS,yes. But Enosis was ruled out by the 1960 agreements. We had no excuse to be part of the destruction of our own independent state.I would've been very happy to call myself a Cypriot Muslim. Or better still just a Cypriot...

5. My father did his bit in the legitimate struggle to oppose Enosis. He left the TMT a disgusted and disillusioned man,after realising what the real aim was ,and how they planed to achieve it...

[Eric dayi]

Are you too stupid to see the reality Bir? It seems that you really are.

You are "digging" up some stuff that we already know about and repeating the same shite over and over again.

Now answer some questions below to make me believe you are not as stupid as you seem to be in this and other forums?

1) Did the GCs and Greeks want ENOSIS?

2)Did the GCs and Greeks tried to kill all us TCs to achieve their ENOSIS?

3) Would you have been happier if the GCs and Greeks actually achieved their ENOSIS?

4) Do you agree that we TCs had to fight back to stop the GCs and Greeks from achieving their ENOSIS or should we (TCs) have laid down and let them turn us in to Greek Muslims?

5) Did your own father who you say was a TMT fighter agreed to give the GCs and Greeks their ENOSIS or did he fight against it?

That'll do for a start, you don't have to give a comprehensive reply if you are too lazy, just a "Yes" or "NO" will do for each question. But you know we'll all know if you are lying or not so I suggest you think before you answer.

I doubt very much that you will have the guts to answer any or all of the questions I put to you above so I will not hold my breath waiting. More the pity eh? It means you will not get rid of me and that I will be on your case what ever lies and GC/Greek propaganda you try to spread.

Please don't think I am replying because you challenged me in your last paragraph,Eric...You have taken the time to write out your questions. They do not include insults (I am choosing to ignore your opening salvo!) so they deserve to be answered...

Yeah, sure Bir, whatever you say.

1. YES

At least one right Bir.

2. NO

You are a liar Bir.

3. NO

Well, at least something good came out of this.

4. We had a legitimate reason to fight to stop ENOSIS,yes. But Enosis was ruled out by the 1960 agreements.

ENOSIS was ruled out by 1960 agreement? Now, why didn't anyone say that to the Greeks and the Gcs at the time? Becuase as I remember it and I am sure so does everyone else, the ENOSIS war, therefor the attempted genocide war on us TCs started in 1963. This went on till 1974 when the Gcs and the Greek junta decided to have another go at ENOSIS and to genicide us TCs for their dream. Maybe you were living in a different Cyprus than the rest of us Bir and have your wires crossed. Or maybe you were born in Oz and dreamed all what was going on in Cyprus at the time.

We had no excuse to be part of the destruction of our own independent state.

You already said No to question 3 Bir and now you claim the above? What would you have us do in 1963 when the GCs AND Greeks attacked us and tried to genocide us for their ENOSIS dream? Put up our hands and pray that they do not murder us? They buried people, men, women and children alive, their hands tied to their backs with barbed wire for Gods sake, what sort of an animal are to accept what they did to your own people and still put the blame on the TCs whom you claim to be one of?

I would've been very happy to call myself a Cypriot Muslim. Or better still just a Cypriot...

You can call yourself what ever the hell you want but you have no right at all to demand the same from me or anyone else. I remember distinctly that you refused to move to the "RoC" until the problem is sorted out, which in anyone's mind means that even you don't trust the GCs enough to live amongst them. What you said there proves to me that in the back of your mind you are scared in case something starts in Cyprus and you are stuck there as a TC amongst Turk hating GCs and Greeks.

5. My father did his bit in the legitimate struggle to oppose Enosis. He left the TMT a disgusted and disillusioned man,after realising what the real aim was ,and how they planed to achieve it...

And you expect us all to believe your story about yourself and your father, right? Pull the other one Bir, it's got bells on it.

The "plan" was to survive as Turkish Cypriots, survive the genocide attempts of the GCs and the Greeks and our brave fighters that you claim your father was one of, did what they had to do to make sure we as a TC community survived in Cyprus. If it wasn't for the bravery of those people you, I and the rest of the TCs would not be here today, we would all be dead or all the surviving TCs would be living in foreign countries without a home country to go back to.

You are a fool Bir but the only one you are fooling is yourself by lying to yourself about what happened in Cyprus. I know, I know, you can't really help it, you have been brainwashed by the Greeks you were living with in OZ, blame them for your misfortune.

You are a liar and a lost cause Bir and like other TCs, I will at every opportunity you give us will remind you of what a liar you are.

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli to Piratis' rescue once again

You started off by telling us that you could only put the TC side of the story and that others should put forward the GC side...Apart from Nikitas, who is more interested in saving face and justifying the GC actions...Who else has ventured an account of what the GCs did. Not a sausage And by you saying that you only know the Turkish side , does that not make your account a little one sided because as these things were going on what were the GCs doing. This whole thead is a waste of time and a blatant attack on the Turkish Cypriot people by you.

You have shown your colours many times Bir and you are doing it again here. You asked for back up to show that the GCs accept their part on all this and you got nothing. You asked for back up again and you still are getting nothing...You clearly believe that the TCs are to blame for everything with your claim that the information is out here...So why don't you find it and post a balanced thread instead of running us into the ground. What does it take for you to realise that these people do not play fair. You have given them the feeling that they are right and we are wrong...As if they needed any encouragement.....Where is your balance.....Why don't you just admit that you hate the TCs and the Turks equally and have done with it. Your house lays in ruin in the "RoC" and still we are to blame. We suffer embargoes at the hands of our killers and still you blame us. hat sort of a man are you??? If you end up living with the likes of Piratis then good...You deserve each other!!!


What happened to my New years Greetings.....I sent you one at that false name you gave me...You know the one..The one that you made up to fool me into thinking you were someone else...Te one that you don't check any more because it was meant just for me.......

Sorry,Zan. I wasn't ignoring you. I was out walking off the excess kilos I put on during the silly season.

Now,Piratis needs no rescueing from anyone,as you know well.

But I am starting to seriously worry about your cognitive processes,as they seem to include many distortions. My whole argument is that in a historical and complex struggle like ours it is impossible for the entire blame to be only on one side... So how can you think that I think all the blame is on the TCs???

I am doing what I think is the right thing to do...That is to dig up those facts and historical events which are ignored by our propaganda machine,and try to put things in their true prespective. I believe only if and when we can all see the clear picture and our role in this messy affair,only then can we find a fair and lasting peaceful solution. Not by repeating endlessly accusations based on one-sided half-truths,exaggerations or plain old lies...This applies to both sides. But it is not in my nature to rub other people's noses in their own mistakes. It will be counter productive in any case. Most people on this forum are intelligent enough to know the wrongs done by their side. If they don't choose to air it in public (and Piratis,Pyros,Kifeas,Bananiot,Cypezokyli,miltiades,humanist etc are on the record with their own self-criticisms) it does not mean I have to stop doing what I think is right.

And when will you realise that criticism does not equal hatred? Why should I hate my own kind? My son is half TC half Turkish anyway.Are you suggesting that I hate him every time I pull him up for doing something wrong??

I did not see the need to reply to your new years's greeting because i realised or thought it was generated by the computer. You know my real name so why should you use the name on my email address which is not mine. For your information,I have used a simple precaution and not used my real name when signing up to public forums on the net. But I explained that to you when I gave you my email address,I am sure. Everyone associated with this forum (with one exception you can guess) have that email address for me. So stop being paranoid...

[BirKibrisli]

Are you too stupid to see the reality Bir? It seems that you really are.

You are "digging" up some stuff that we already know about and repeating the same shite over and over again.

Now answer some questions below to make me believe you are not as stupid as you seem to be in this and other forums?

1) Did the GCs and Greeks want ENOSIS?

2)Did the GCs and Greeks tried to kill all us TCs to achieve their ENOSIS?

3) Would you have been happier if the GCs and Greeks actually achieved their ENOSIS?

4) Do you agree that we TCs had to fight back to stop the GCs and Greeks from achieving their ENOSIS or should we (TCs) have laid down and let them turn us in to Greek Muslims?

5) Did your own father who you say was a TMT fighter agreed to give the GCs and Greeks their ENOSIS or did he fight against it?

That'll do for a start, you don't have to give a comprehensive reply if you are too lazy, just a "Yes" or "NO" will do for each question. But you know we'll all know if you are lying or not so I suggest you think before you answer.

I doubt very much that you will have the guts to answer any or all of the questions I put to you above so I will not hold my breath waiting. More the pity eh? It means you will not get rid of me and that I will be on your case what ever lies and GC/Greek propaganda you try to spread.

Please don't think I am replying because you challenged me in your last paragraph,Eric...You have taken the time to write out your questions. They do not include insults (I am choosing to ignore your opening salvo!) so they deserve to be answered...

Yeah, sure Bir, whatever you say.

1. YES

At least one right Bir.

2. NO

You are a liar Bir.

3. NO

Well, at least something good came out of this.

4. We had a legitimate reason to fight to stop ENOSIS,yes. But Enosis was ruled out by the 1960 agreements.

ENOSIS was ruled out by 1960 agreement? Now, why didn't anyone say that to the Greeks and the Gcs at the time? Becuase as I remember it and I am sure so does everyone else, the ENOSIS war, therefor the attempted genocide war on us TCs started in 1963. This went on till 1974 when the Gcs and the Greek junta decided to have another go at ENOSIS and to genicide us TCs for their dream. Maybe you were living in a different Cyprus than the rest of us Bir and have your wires crossed. Or maybe you were born in Oz and dreamed all what was going on in Cyprus at the time.

We had no excuse to be part of the destruction of our own independent state.

You already said No to question 3 Bir and now you claim the above? What would you have us do in 1963 when the GCs AND Greeks attacked us and tried to genocide us for their ENOSIS dream? Put up our hands and pray that they do not murder us? They buried people, men, women and children alive, their hands tied to their backs with barbed wire for Gods sake, what sort of an animal are to accept what they did to your own people and still put the blame on the TCs whom you claim to be one of?

I would've been very happy to call myself a Cypriot Muslim. Or better still just a Cypriot...

You can call yourself what ever the hell you want but you have no right at all to demand the same from me or anyone else. I remember distinctly that you refused to move to the "RoC" until the problem is sorted out, which in anyone's mind means that even you don't trust the GCs enough to live amongst them. What you said there proves to me that in the back of your mind you are scared in case something starts in Cyprus and you are stuck there as a TC amongst Turk hating GCs and Greeks.

5. My father did his bit in the legitimate struggle to oppose Enosis. He left the TMT a disgusted and disillusioned man,after realising what the real aim was ,and how they planed to achieve it...

And you expect us all to believe your story about yourself and your father, right? Pull the other one Bir, it's got bells on it.

The "plan" was to survive as Turkish Cypriots, survive the genocide attempts of the GCs and the Greeks and our brave fighters that you claim your father was one of, did what they had to do to make sure we as a TC community survived in Cyprus. If it wasn't for the bravery of those people you, I and the rest of the TCs would not be here today, we would all be dead or all the surviving TCs would be living in foreign countries without a home country to go back to.

You are a fool Bir but the only one you are fooling is yourself by lying to yourself about what happened in Cyprus. I know, I know, you can't really help it, you have been brainwashed by the Greeks you were living with in OZ, blame them for your misfortune.

You are a liar and a lost cause Bir and like other TCs, I will at every opportunity you give us will remind you of what a liar you are.

Okey,Eric...Here is my challenge to you. Just go back and reread my narrative posts,and tell me where the lies are...If you can prove that there is one lie in what I am narrating I will stop doing it...Fair enough???