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Do TC's want a United Cyprus or Partition

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby zan » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:48 am

DT. wrote:
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They can return today no one is stopping them, they dont even have to live here 6 months before applying to the property commission.


apply for what mate to get into my own home? VP get real.


I wish you would get real :roll: :roll: Give me a copy of any deals that the "RoC" holds that says I can get into my property???? Haven't got any huh!!!!! So when my sisters neighbor is told to go away and come back when there is a solution then I think the operative word would be "SOLUTION".Stop prating around will you :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


NO DOUBLE DIPPING ALLOWED



Agreed...So stop asking for the return of Greek property......You can even have my 40+ donums and be happy mate....Forget the double dipping though...You prefer double standards and duel nationality......Was it a moving experience when you were made Greek again.....Wish I could have been there :wink: :lol:


I thought your land was in the Green Line?


It is DT...You can have that land as far as I am concerned......With a solution.....I donate to the TRNC/KKTC for those purposes......But not without an agreement...


Actually no one can have that land. You can apply to the un to give it back though. A friend of mine did it with his land in the buffer zone and it worked out well.


I think an agreement will see to that...Have to go to work now...See ya!!!!
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Postby humanist » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:02 pm

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As for not wanting a solution.....You are so busy trying to sell me shite that you do not listen to what I have been saying for the last two years....


Perhaps am an absolute reflection of you Zan, looking yourself in the mirror. Can ya get this one?

You have been saying nothing for the last two years Zan. I asked many time before to name tyhose rights for a fool like me one by one so an idiot such as I can get it. You have not done that.

am asking again what are the rights that you want the RoC to recognise and allow you to have. What are the rights that have been violated?
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:44 am

humanist wrote:Zan
As for not wanting a solution.....You are so busy trying to sell me shite that you do not listen to what I have been saying for the last two years....


Perhaps am an absolute reflection of you Zan, looking yourself in the mirror. Can ya get this one?

You have been saying nothing for the last two years Zan. I asked many time before to name tyhose rights for a fool like me one by one so an idiot such as I can get it. You have not done that.

am asking again what are the rights that you want the RoC to recognise and allow you to have. What are the rights that have been violated?

Humanist , as you know Zan is a dedicated supporter of partition , or rather he cant wait for Turkey to annexe the occupied part and declare it a Turkish state .This is what Zan wants , nothing less . It has become obvious that he has one agenda and one dream.
Look at his posts , look at his signature , never has he posted even one sentence that is constructive and pro Cyprus. He digs every bid of information that depicts Cyprus in an unfavourable manner and pastes on the forum.
He is committed to his belief that the 80 % of Cypriots were WRONG in having an opinion as to the future of Cyprus !! He is firmly convinced that the ROC IS the illegal nation and NOT the TRNC !! The entire world he says made a mistake in recognising the ROC as the only government of Cyprus ! All the world WAS WRONG , only ATIILA GOT IT RIGHT !!
The T/Cs , our compatriots are facing the gravest ever menace of their history , to become subservient to a third world nation , their identity becoming gradually extinct . BUT THEY ARE RESILIENT CYPRIOTS.
They will tell Turkey that they are not going to be swallowed up and relinquish their Cypriotness , Zan will and some others will too but the majority of T/Cs want to remain T/Cs and this is where we can help to preserve the T/C .
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:35 am

DT. wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:I'd still would like to know what my fellow GC's feel about question I have posed.

As I stated I'd prefer a united cyprus but not the way Turkey and Talat see it. I want one government with each person getting one vote.


What I would prefer and what I would vote for are 2 different thing.

I'd prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation.
WHat I'd probably vote for as a compromise would be a fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive.


Please read...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874


...none of us will get what is. something completely different is necessary.

we are responsible for a great deal of tragedy, and as we all know there is no price that can be put on a Human, life. If we deny their love, the dead and missing, the hatred which grew to take their lives away wins. It is our responsibility to leave a Heritance, to the rest of Mankind. It has come to this: As Cypriots, as Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, as Jews and Sri Lankans and Maronites etc.; we require an identity to this island's fate.

most importantly it cannot be forgotten that, as Greeks or as Turks we have no right to the Patrimony of Cyprus, which has existed for millenia, long before our own introduction, and I imagine, long after we are gone as well.
...as its Steward, we cannot betray this Trust.

so choose wisely, when the time comes,
"partition" or "unity", because chances are that that will be the question in our next Referendum.

and as writers, i'm asking you guys, ladies and animals, to carry on with the comedy, as it is funny to read (mostly), but, to accord the most important among us, the anonymous reader to believe that we are serious, that we have at heart, the need for dialog, to create something better, perhaps which will change the world.

prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation

...here is perfection.

fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive.

...here is OUR Quest.
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Postby humanist » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:52 am

Miltiades
They will tell Turkey that they are not going to be swallowed up and relinquish their Cypriotness , Zan will and some others will too but the majority of T/Cs want to remain T/Cs and this is where we can help to preserve the T/C .


Dear Miltiades, a year ago or so I would have agreed that we could help TC's with their struggle, having been on this forum for probably over a year and experiencing the hate and discrimination towards the GC's, I hold a different opinion and that is, you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink, they are in their own mess and if they are overtaken by mainland Turks well that is of their doing. As some TC's on here argue there is no problem and are happy to go with Turkey and what it dishes out for them. Am now concerned about the fight to keep my country and not let the Turkish army swallow what is mine.

Having said that I am always willing to advocate for any Cypriot to return to their home and claim their home and property, sadly that is not reciprocated by those Cypriots living in the occupied North of my country. Wo find it offensive calling them compatriots and one can hardly be a compatriot if the notion is not reciprocated.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:36 am

you can lead the horse to water, and if you wait, eventually it will need to drink.

I too believe that it is necessary to demonstrate my love and a giving nature.

allow me to butcher another well known expression...

you can call some of the people assholes all the time
you can call all the people assholes some of the time
but you can't call all the people assholes all the time.

never mind the bullocks mates
keep your pecker up.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:39 am

...first chance I got I would reenter to the north, if it was to unite in help with others who love this island as I do.

if you learn from history you do not make the same mistake as others before you.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:58 am

miliades, Dr.,

I think you are being unfair to Zan.

The Republic which Zan speaks of is in flux, our Constitution is not clear and it was under negociation until Sampson brought us to his childish brink.

Since then much has to be learned by both sides equally and the feelings of guilt have become much further repressed.

However, I respect Zan's stamina, the energy he has and his passion, even if I find that at times his efforts may reach too far. he is not wrong. We are lucky that a person like Zan is with us, for the dialog and the debate which we were unable to do in any manner only a few years ago. what must be done has not begun, yet its need is looming. And again I will suggest my proposal may be a good place, for us at least, to start.
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Postby zan » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:02 am

humanist wrote:Zan
As for not wanting a solution.....You are so busy trying to sell me shite that you do not listen to what I have been saying for the last two years....


Perhaps am an absolute reflection of you Zan, looking yourself in the mirror. Can ya get this one?

You have been saying nothing for the last two years Zan. I asked many time before to name tyhose rights for a fool like me one by one so an idiot such as I can get it. You have not done that.

am asking again what are the rights that you want the RoC to recognise and allow you to have. What are the rights that have been violated?


What I have been saying dear heart is that the "RoC" is not the Cyprus Republic...Your inability to understand that is not my fault :roll: :roll:

In that...My rights are within the constitution of the Cyprus Republic in the form of the Zurich agreement...That is the document that you do not allow to exist and there is where my rights are violated......If you fail to understand such a simple concept then I there is small wonder as to why you think I have not said anything in two years.....If you have your hands over your ears when the tree falls in the forest, you cannot claim that it makes no noise....... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby zan » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:11 am

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humanist wrote:Zan
As for not wanting a solution.....You are so busy trying to sell me shite that you do not listen to what I have been saying for the last two years....


Perhaps am an absolute reflection of you Zan, looking yourself in the mirror. Can ya get this one?

You have been saying nothing for the last two years Zan. I asked many time before to name tyhose rights for a fool like me one by one so an idiot such as I can get it. You have not done that.

am asking again what are the rights that you want the RoC to recognise and allow you to have. What are the rights that have been violated?

Humanist , as you know Zan is a dedicated supporter of partition , or rather he cant wait for Turkey to annexe the occupied part and declare it a Turkish state .This is what Zan wants , nothing less . It has become obvious that he has one agenda and one dream.
Look at his posts , look at his signature , never has he posted even one sentence that is constructive and pro Cyprus. He digs every bid of information that depicts Cyprus in an unfavourable manner and pastes on the forum.
He is committed to his belief that the 80 % of Cypriots were WRONG in having an opinion as to the future of Cyprus !! He is firmly convinced that the ROC IS the illegal nation and NOT the TRNC !! The entire world he says made a mistake in recognising the ROC as the only government of Cyprus ! All the world WAS WRONG , only ATIILA GOT IT RIGHT !!
The T/Cs , our compatriots are facing the gravest ever menace of their history , to become subservient to a third world nation , their identity becoming gradually extinct . BUT THEY ARE RESILIENT CYPRIOTS.
They will tell Turkey that they are not going to be swallowed up and relinquish their Cypriotness , Zan will and some others will too but the majority of T/Cs want to remain T/Cs and this is where we can help to preserve the T/C .


I am a supporter of fair play old man whereas you seem to want to try and sell me a duff state the likes of which was last seen running around as naked as that Emperor of old. Tpap has sold the world an invisible state and all because of one deception in 1964 the world has had to accept it although, deep down, they know they are being fooled......Well.....This little man in the crowd, is shouting at the top of his voice that the "RoC"is as naked as the day that it was born....

When you are ready to call for all Cypriots to return to the Cyprus Republic and not the "RoC" then I will join you...Until then...I just see an old crook trying to sell me down the river....... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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