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POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

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Postby DT. » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:27 pm

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humanist wrote:Why unitary? you questionned VP

Because Cyprus is and always has been one Whole and United country for its Cypriot people. ;) have a nice day


It can also be the same under a federation or confederation just as the USA or Switzerland.


Far as I know the USA and CH do not include any racist clauses in their constitutions. Things like forced majorities and ethnic zones go against the core of these free democratic states.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:30 pm

DT. wrote:
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humanist wrote:Why unitary? you questionned VP

Because Cyprus is and always has been one Whole and United country for its Cypriot people. ;) have a nice day


It can also be the same under a federation or confederation just as the USA or Switzerland.


Far as I know the USA and CH do not include any racist clauses in their constitutions. Things like forced majorities and ethnic zones go against the core of these free democratic states.


The clauses can imo be relaxed after we prove we can live and work together, initially people will not want to move or live in the other state anyway so why not use this period to show everyone we are better united than divided. Once this has been established the barriers in our minds will also disappear.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:49 pm

why do you guys ignore the proposal that is my manifesto?

I understand that communities as societies wish to sustain themselves.

I understand that a Unitary State, for this island, sustains the relevance of its Heritance, as ours, to care for.

The displaced, the missing, the murdered, and those who suffered from shameful acts receive their restitution, with acts, from all of us, and sacrifice on all our parts, for something better, since it can no longer be the same, since Justice demands changes in ourselves, since we have not yet embraced the Principal that in all our distinctions we are equal because we are Human.

It is possible to define Bizonal as two parts, without cutting the island in two.

It is possible to define Bicommunal, where we are United as one people, Cypriots, while in our own communities, and the society they make (the National Assemblies), we remain inclusive as Persons by providing the service the minorities among us need to sustain themselves as well.
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Re: POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:18 am

...choose, choose vp.

in Cyprus we can demonstrate for what is right, and that is the Cypriot Flag that flies higher, not "Greek", not "Turkish", and nothing should prevent Free Expression, or Association, and likewise Mobility, this is what Cyprus offers us, even in this dysfunctional form, today ( ; if there existed a Greek Constituency, as well as a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency ).

Merit should count far more than "Turkishness" or "Greekness" wouldn't you agree, and yet it already does (or at least, it has begun), Cyprus exists because that is the intent (of Mankind (but Turkey); yes or no whether Annan failed we all went to vote as Cypriots), and thanks to the over-site that goes along with being a responsible member of the EU. equality has many meanings and many levels. why not the equality of Persons, so that as Individuals, defending each other, we can sustain an ethnosphere, a State, not just "our" respective Nations.

...political equality of Turkish Cypriots, invites an opportunity for this Liberty, as Maronites, Armenians, Latins, even Britons, as well as Greeks; i find that hopeful. better Schools and Hospitals for their children, better service in a Language of choice (closer to their tax dollars), greater choice as Cypriots. but, for these Constituencies to have this representation as National Assemblies, there must be a superior Governance to define and better the Universal Principals these electors, and their Freedom as Citizens of a bigger world, demonstrate, in electing a Federal Government that is Cypriot, first.

i will ask again, if a Greek Constituency appeared, to be an equal to the Turkish Constituency, would you accept the reform of the Republic so that its existence would represent us as Cypriots? (n.b. with the existence of Cypriot Constituencies, it (the Federal Government) is no longer obliged to defend the majority as "Greeks") and if the territorial jurisdictions of these Constituencies was settled among themselves, wouldn't it be possible, because there is a Republic (Sovereignty is not the question) to which they can make their presentation, in unanimity?
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Re: POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:11 am

repulse you appear confused yet again we have accepted what you have proposed its the GCs that have rejected and still do reject it to this day, the import issue for us in your scenario is how the federal/republic government would be formed, would we have effective say or would the GCs dominate?
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Re: POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:57 pm

...if that is the case, you, and "your" side can make that clear; fly Cypriot Flags, challenge the "Greeks", if you are "Turkish", and Cypriot.
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Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:13 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:Why unitary? you questionned VP

Because Cyprus is and always has been one Whole and United country for its Cypriot people. ;) have a nice day


It can also be the same under a federation or confederation just as the USA or Switzerland.


Far as I know the USA and CH do not include any racist clauses in their constitutions. Things like forced majorities and ethnic zones go against the core of these free democratic states.


The clauses can imo be relaxed after we prove we can live and work together, initially people will not want to move or live in the other state anyway so why not use this period to show everyone we are better united than divided. Once this has been established the barriers in our minds will also disappear.


You can't oppress an ethnic group and then say we'll wait until we can all get along and then stop oppressing you ..it's almost comical...the best route is to for all rights to be respected from the the outset...
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Re: POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:19 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:Why unitary? you questionned VP

Because Cyprus is and always has been one Whole and United country for its Cypriot people. ;) have a nice day


It can also be the same under a federation or confederation just as the USA or Switzerland.


Far as I know the USA and CH do not include any racist clauses in their constitutions. Things like forced majorities and ethnic zones go against the core of these free democratic states.


The clauses can imo be relaxed after we prove we can live and work together, initially people will not want to move or live in the other state anyway so why not use this period to show everyone we are better united than divided. Once this has been established the barriers in our minds will also disappear.


You can't oppress an ethnic group and then say we'll wait until we can all get along and then stop oppressing you ..it's almost comical...the best route is to for all rights to be respected from the the outset...


Which of your rights do you think will be oppressed according to you ethenticity?
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Re: POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

Postby Lordo » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:00 pm

when will you people realise that it will be a million years before you can be trusted again. get over it. bbf is the only answer with protection for the tcs including terkish guarantee. you dont have to have it, you can get your ellatha to guarantee you. cant say fairer than that.

community rights are always above individual rights. this is practiced all over the the free world.
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Re: POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:08 pm

community rights are always above individual rights. this is practiced all over the the free world.


...you are guessing, right?
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