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POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:00 pm

If there is a United Republic of Cyprus, which identifies it citizens as equals, Sovereign, in its defence of their Individual Rights and the land, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots through two National Assemblies can find the expression of their indentity as Persons to effect their behaviour as Societies. United all the dwellers stand for Human Betterment, and apart, they will demonstrate this resolve, as their own distinct majority, in effecting these changes with their own abilities, in providing for the special needs of all minorities amongst them.

...a "northern" economy can exist, just as a "southern", however, with a better redistribution of the land, by adding enclaves to the geography, we will add to the diversity of each economy as constituent bodies. rather than tearing the island in two, we allow ourselves a chance to have no "border", although many frontiers, greater Freedom of Association, more Movement and Expression, restitution for Turkish Cypriots and for Greek Cypriots reciprocally with the return of all displaced a right, while for some, return as communities, homes for Settlers not houses to those who will be displaced, and who have this claim by being Cypriot.

scary, huh?

Cyprus is an island. We are merely its dwellers, its Steward, whether we identify our selves as something else as well, we are Cypriots. There is dignity in that, by our Grace. This island's trees, rocks and relics, are far more important, than the pleasure we can get from it in a lifetime. It may be that our influence remains, one way or the other there is a price to pay in any act we choose, but our intention is far more important.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:53 am

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Piratis wrote:What is the "northern economy" VP?

You are still thinking in terms of division and segregation.

A truly united Cyprus would mean one Cyprus for all Cypriots. Not northern for TCs and southern for GCs. Thats the whole point of unification isn't it?


You arent really addressing my issues here, the northern state is where the majority of TCs will live, if manipulative measures are taken to effect the TCs more than the GCs these will squeeze us out, what will you do to stop us being brushed to one side not only economically but also power sharing wise? what if we are faced with Akritas 2 backed by the EU where our sharing rights will be watered down because the GCs have twisted and manipulated in other words blackmailed the EU into giving them what they want? We need safeguards to guarantee you will not do the above in any shape way or form if you have no intention then you should have no objections but quite the opposite you do not want to even entertain safeguards which makes us even more suspisious than we already are. I hope you try to understand our viewpoint and address our concerns otherwise no TC in their right mind will take a big leap of faith into the arms of a solution where there are dangers and future pitfalls.


Any response Piratis or anyone else?
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Postby DT. » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:08 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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Piratis wrote:What is the "northern economy" VP?

You are still thinking in terms of division and segregation.

A truly united Cyprus would mean one Cyprus for all Cypriots. Not northern for TCs and southern for GCs. Thats the whole point of unification isn't it?


You arent really addressing my issues here, the northern state is where the majority of TCs will live, if manipulative measures are taken to effect the TCs more than the GCs these will squeeze us out, what will you do to stop us being brushed to one side not only economically but also power sharing wise? what if we are faced with Akritas 2 backed by the EU where our sharing rights will be watered down because the GCs have twisted and manipulated in other words blackmailed the EU into giving them what they want? We need safeguards to guarantee you will not do the above in any shape way or form if you have no intention then you should have no objections but quite the opposite you do not want to even entertain safeguards which makes us even more suspisious than we already are. I hope you try to understand our viewpoint and address our concerns otherwise no TC in their right mind will take a big leap of faith into the arms of a solution where there are dangers and future pitfalls.


Any response Piratis or anyone else?


WHy don't you tell us what these safeguards are?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:14 am

DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:What is the "northern economy" VP?

You are still thinking in terms of division and segregation.

A truly united Cyprus would mean one Cyprus for all Cypriots. Not northern for TCs and southern for GCs. Thats the whole point of unification isn't it?


You arent really addressing my issues here, the northern state is where the majority of TCs will live, if manipulative measures are taken to effect the TCs more than the GCs these will squeeze us out, what will you do to stop us being brushed to one side not only economically but also power sharing wise? what if we are faced with Akritas 2 backed by the EU where our sharing rights will be watered down because the GCs have twisted and manipulated in other words blackmailed the EU into giving them what they want? We need safeguards to guarantee you will not do the above in any shape way or form if you have no intention then you should have no objections but quite the opposite you do not want to even entertain safeguards which makes us even more suspisious than we already are. I hope you try to understand our viewpoint and address our concerns otherwise no TC in their right mind will take a big leap of faith into the arms of a solution where there are dangers and future pitfalls.


Any response Piratis or anyone else?


WHy don't you tell us what these safeguards are?


BBF with political equality to a degree that TCs can say no on predetermined sensative issues.
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Postby DT. » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:17 am

Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
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Piratis wrote:What is the "northern economy" VP?

You are still thinking in terms of division and segregation.

A truly united Cyprus would mean one Cyprus for all Cypriots. Not northern for TCs and southern for GCs. Thats the whole point of unification isn't it?


You arent really addressing my issues here, the northern state is where the majority of TCs will live, if manipulative measures are taken to effect the TCs more than the GCs these will squeeze us out, what will you do to stop us being brushed to one side not only economically but also power sharing wise? what if we are faced with Akritas 2 backed by the EU where our sharing rights will be watered down because the GCs have twisted and manipulated in other words blackmailed the EU into giving them what they want? We need safeguards to guarantee you will not do the above in any shape way or form if you have no intention then you should have no objections but quite the opposite you do not want to even entertain safeguards which makes us even more suspisious than we already are. I hope you try to understand our viewpoint and address our concerns otherwise no TC in their right mind will take a big leap of faith into the arms of a solution where there are dangers and future pitfalls.


Any response Piratis or anyone else?


WHy don't you tell us what these safeguards are?


BBF with political equality to a degree that TCs can say no on predetermined sensative issues.


pre-determined sensitive issues that affect only the TC community shouldn;t be a problem for any Cypriot president to sign. Its when you dig up imperialist colonial times treaties of gaurantees that we object to.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:33 am

DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:What is the "northern economy" VP?

You are still thinking in terms of division and segregation.

A truly united Cyprus would mean one Cyprus for all Cypriots. Not northern for TCs and southern for GCs. Thats the whole point of unification isn't it?


You arent really addressing my issues here, the northern state is where the majority of TCs will live, if manipulative measures are taken to effect the TCs more than the GCs these will squeeze us out, what will you do to stop us being brushed to one side not only economically but also power sharing wise? what if we are faced with Akritas 2 backed by the EU where our sharing rights will be watered down because the GCs have twisted and manipulated in other words blackmailed the EU into giving them what they want? We need safeguards to guarantee you will not do the above in any shape way or form if you have no intention then you should have no objections but quite the opposite you do not want to even entertain safeguards which makes us even more suspisious than we already are. I hope you try to understand our viewpoint and address our concerns otherwise no TC in their right mind will take a big leap of faith into the arms of a solution where there are dangers and future pitfalls.


Any response Piratis or anyone else?


WHy don't you tell us what these safeguards are?


BBF with political equality to a degree that TCs can say no on predetermined sensative issues.


pre-determined sensitive issues that affect only the TC community shouldn;t be a problem for any Cypriot president to sign. Its when you dig up imperialist colonial times treaties of gaurantees that we object to.



How do you propose to solve the security issue? if you do not want guarantees?
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Postby DT. » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:48 am

sam way every other country in the world does it. With law and order. You can't freeze frame your mind to the 60's you need to think in terms of what is important and feasible now. An EU member state has other priorities in 2008 than a fledgling reluctant republic of the 60's. None of the objectives of the 60's are not worth anything anymore, not enosis and not taksim.

There is no more enosis than can already be accomplished with Greece thanks to the EU while taksim on the other hand is something that the TC"s need to be re-programmed to forget.

add to this a EU member state Turkey and what more do you need?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:55 am

DT. wrote:sam way every other country in the world does it. With law and order. You can't freeze frame your mind to the 60's you need to think in terms of what is important and feasible now. An EU member state has other priorities in 2008 than a fledgling reluctant republic of the 60's. None of the objectives of the 60's are not worth anything anymore, not enosis and not taksim.

There is no more enosis than can already be accomplished with Greece thanks to the EU while taksim on the other hand is something that the TC"s need to be re-programmed to forget.

add to this a EU member state Turkey and what more do you need?


Then the compromise would be having Turkeys guarantee for the north state only to expire when they are a full member of the EU.
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Postby DT. » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:09 am

Viewpoint wrote:
DT. wrote:sam way every other country in the world does it. With law and order. You can't freeze frame your mind to the 60's you need to think in terms of what is important and feasible now. An EU member state has other priorities in 2008 than a fledgling reluctant republic of the 60's. None of the objectives of the 60's are not worth anything anymore, not enosis and not taksim.

There is no more enosis than can already be accomplished with Greece thanks to the EU while taksim on the other hand is something that the TC"s need to be re-programmed to forget.

add to this a EU member state Turkey and what more do you need?


Then the compromise would be having Turkeys guarantee for the north state only to expire when they are a full member of the EU.


Only if followed by a transformation of the BBF to a unitary republic. What will be the need for a federation then?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:15 am

DT. wrote:
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DT. wrote:sam way every other country in the world does it. With law and order. You can't freeze frame your mind to the 60's you need to think in terms of what is important and feasible now. An EU member state has other priorities in 2008 than a fledgling reluctant republic of the 60's. None of the objectives of the 60's are not worth anything anymore, not enosis and not taksim.

There is no more enosis than can already be accomplished with Greece thanks to the EU while taksim on the other hand is something that the TC"s need to be re-programmed to forget.

add to this a EU member state Turkey and what more do you need?


Then the compromise would be having Turkeys guarantee for the north state only to expire when they are a full member of the EU.


Only if followed by a transformation of the BBF to a unitary republic. What will be the need for a federation then?


The 2 area solution is a basic TC requirement and a unitary state would mean that Turkey could intervene in your affairs as well as mine, why not restrict this just to the north state? until we have built up trust and Turkey enters the EU.
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