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[Tim Drayton]

There is a great difference between Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. You can tell at a glance who is who. For one thing, Turkish Cypriots are not very religious, so nobody is going to get attacked on the streets of Nicosia for not wearing a headscarf. Virtually no Turkish Cypriot women wear headscarves, anyway.

[observer]

I no longer feel the need to keep silent. I have read the comments in this thread and i must say that i am not surprised by some of these comments, not surprised by them at all. Before the puppet state allowed Greek Cypriots to visit the north...i and many others (probably some of you in here) have demonstrated for this island. For those of us who have done this know that at some point during the demonstration, sometimes emotions can get the best of you. You may see the other side and a grin and a why is it that because i am Greek i can not cross this line?

I for one respect VP's opinion because its an honest one and lets not kid ourselves...isnt this how the majority of Turkish Cypriots think? In fact, some wouldn't have even said that those who killed "should be arrested and made to account for what happened". Why are we trying to cover this fact? Why is everyone ganging up on VP for, he is only expressing him/herself freely? What is it, one upmanship, political points, what?


Having said that, i would also like to be honest in my comments. VP, i feel that you and the majority of the TCs are backward, i always have -- its your thinking process which resembles middle eastern people. It is clearly evident by the comments in this and other threads in this forum. Dont get me wrong, a small percentage of Greek Cypriots are the same way, it must be the proximity to the middle east or something they have adapted from the Ottoman empire. What i am trying to say is that your people and the Greek Cypriots are different and not by a small margin. By having you somehow integrate with us (Annan Plan 6 or whatever) it will only dumbdown the Cypriot Republic. You are what westerners refer to as throwbacks. We have advanced without the TCs so much so that we are a net contributor to the EU. If your society joins the free areas it would create a welfare state that resembles Turkmenistan.


And please, i do not need lecturing from the so called progressives on the Greek Cypriot side. Let me give you all a scenario that is bound to happen if this island ever gets united. A few Greek Cypriots have the courage to go to the North to live with these people. All is well until one day a Greek Cypriot cop man handles a Turkish Cypriot youth and it is played over and over in the press. What is it that you think these backward people will do? Just take a look at what they did in other EU countries for something far less -- they love to riot. They have b@lls when they have strength in numbers. Would you then feel safe in a town then populated by these people? Who are we kidding? Are those two or three Turkish Cypriot friends you have or made, are they going to be able to prevent the horde from attacking you? Another scenario that happened in Egypt. A women approaches a religious moslem female school, she is at the lights and the students come out and they all have headscarves. They see the women in the car without a headscarf and start attacking it and calling the person inside an infidel. If these things happen in Egypt and Lebanon then what makes you all think it wont happen here? Are the Turkish Cypriots less fanatic? Clearly no, just look at their comments! Google the deaths that occurred in Turkey simply because people were of different faiths.

Some may not have wished that i posted this but i do not apologize because this is how i really feel. I didnt always feel like this. My father would one day love to see his Turkish Cypriot friends but he and the rest of you Greek Cypriots in here are living in a dream world. That Cyprus does no longer exist. Clearly there are no longer any difference between a TC and a person from Turkey, its a fact.

Even for this forum, this piece is trully amazing. It's thoroughly bigotted and racist, yet written a person claiming to be a member of a more advanced society.

It only needs a 'Sieg Heil' at the end.

[Tim Drayton]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

[Viewpoint]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

Mastakis was only shinning up a post and got arrested, Soloman was part of a riot that got through a buffer zone, everything went crazy the UN couldn't get things under control then this individual decides to rip down the flag of one of the most nationalist nations on earth, a recipe for disaster if you ask me, which as we all know was the outcome.

[denizaksulu]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

Unfortunately the pervading climate at the time would induce such acts of murder and such stupidity by the victim. What on earth possessed him? Bravery or heroism is not opening your shirt front exposing your chest and asking the enemy to shoot you. He made a fatal error of judgement. Now most people would condemn such a pointless stupid murder.
Regards

DA

[observer]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

I always am interested in your posts since they are both clear and rational.

I would not attempt to defend the shooting of an individual if he, by himself, climbed a flag pole and started to take down a flag. However, this is not the case here. This was a riot situation, in a very sensitive area. To use your own words, it was a fanatical mob attacking the Green Line. I doubt if it would have been the simple matter you imply to detain the person when he came down.

In this sort of situation, things that would be very criminal in cold blood just happen. Even the British Army (I assume you are British), a fully professional army and far better trained than Turkish conscripts, made mistakes during rioting in Northern Ireland – Bloody Sunday being only the most famous example.

[Viewpoint]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

I always am interested in your posts since they are both clear and rational.

I would not attempt to defend the shooting of an individual if he, by himself, climbed a flag pole and started to take down a flag. However, this is not the case here. This was a riot situation, in a very sensitive area. To use your own words, it was a fanatical mob attacking the Green Line. I doubt if it would have been the simple matter you imply to detain the person when he came down.

In this sort of situation, things that would be very criminal in cold blood just happen. Even the British Army (I assume you are British), a fully professional army and far better trained than Turkish conscripts, made mistakes during rioting in Northern Ireland – Bloody Sunday being only the most famous example.

Thank god someone sees some sense, it always a matter of lets get one up on these TCs and show how bad they are, the crux of the matter is if you provoke something eg war, riot and fighting you have to put up with the consequences especially if the opponent is stronger and hits harder than you.

[Tim Drayton]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

I always am interested in your posts since they are both clear and rational.

I would not attempt to defend the shooting of an individual if he, by himself, climbed a flag pole and started to take down a flag. However, this is not the case here. This was a riot situation, in a very sensitive area. To use your own words, it was a fanatical mob attacking the Green Line. I doubt if it would have been the simple matter you imply to detain the person when he came down.

In this sort of situation, things that would be very criminal in cold blood just happen. Even the British Army (I assume you are British), a fully professional army and far better trained than Turkish conscripts, made mistakes during rioting in Northern Ireland – Bloody Sunday being only the most famous example.

I am British and was involved in the "Troops out of Ireland" movement in my student days. In my opinion, Bloody Sunday was a disgrace and there is no way that I can justify these killings as being judicial.

[Viewpoint]

The problem is, dear Observer, that if certain people refuse to condemn the shooting on the spot of an individual who was guilty of the fairly minor offence of shinning up a post and ripping down a flag, when this person could quite feasibly have been detained and brought before the courts, this creates the impression that the north of Cyprus is a wild, lawless place where anybody is liable to be attacked and killed by a fanatical mob, rather than being the peaceful, civilised place that it is in which, at least in de facto terms, the rule of law and judicial process applies.

As I have stated above, those who purport to defend the TRNC do their own cause no good by arguing that the gunning down of Solomou in this manner was justified in legal terms.

It only invites the kind of post that you criticise.

I always am interested in your posts since they are both clear and rational.

I would not attempt to defend the shooting of an individual if he, by himself, climbed a flag pole and started to take down a flag. However, this is not the case here. This was a riot situation, in a very sensitive area. To use your own words, it was a fanatical mob attacking the Green Line. I doubt if it would have been the simple matter you imply to detain the person when he came down.

In this sort of situation, things that would be very criminal in cold blood just happen. Even the British Army (I assume you are British), a fully professional army and far better trained than Turkish conscripts, made mistakes during rioting in Northern Ireland – Bloody Sunday being only the most famous example.

I am British and was involved in the "Troops out of Ireland" movement in my student days. In my opinion, Bloody Sunday was a disgrace and there is no way that I can justify these killings as being judicial.

No one is asking you to that Tim what is being said is that this was a riot and emotions runs high, people do things they would never contemplate, that's what happened here Soloman contributed to a riot which got out of hand and cost him his life.

[observer]

Tim Drayton wrote

I am British and was involved in the "Troops out of Ireland" movement in my student days. In my opinion, Bloody Sunday was a disgrace and there is no way that I can justify these killings as being judicial

Judicial, no. Justifiable, maybe. Understandable, I think so. Tragic, certainly.