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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:13 pm

Piratis wrote:

The problem starts (as I said in my other post) when all these Cypriots think first like Greeks or first like Turks, and not first as Cypriots.
In the USA for example, they have Italian Americans, Irish Americans, African Americans, Asian Americans etc, but they feel Americans above all.
This should be the aim in Cyprus also.


Mr Piratis

Is this reallyou?

I have to agree with you on this one .

I believe our Politicians have a lot to answer for
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:14 pm

The Language of the bible was translated from Aramaic to Hebrew to Latin to Greek. Christians used and became used to the Greek language for this reason.


So suetoniuspaulinus you claim that the peasants learned Greek in order to read the bible. Oh please!

Greek Language in Cyprus has continued uninterrupted for 3500 years.

Or you will claim that the whole population changed language with every new ruler? If that was the case then we wouldn't speak Greek now since after the Byzantines a lot more rulers followed. I hope you understand how weak your argument is.
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:17 pm

Piratis wrote:
The Language of the bible was translated from Aramaic to Hebrew to Latin to Greek. Christians used and became used to the Greek language for this reason.


So suetoniuspaulinus you claim that the peasants learned Greek in order to read the bible. Oh please!

Greek Language in Cyprus has continued uninterrupted for 3500 years.

Or you will claim that the whole population changed language with every new ruler? If that was the case then we wouldn't speak Greek now since after the Byzantines a lot more rulers followed. I hope you understand how weak your argument is.


Mr Piratis

1500 - 332 BC Colonisation by Phoenicians, Acheans,
Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians.

Which of these Conquerors used Greek as their Language??
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Postby Murtaza » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:22 pm

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
Piratis wrote:
The Language of the bible was translated from Aramaic to Hebrew to Latin to Greek. Christians used and became used to the Greek language for this reason.


So suetoniuspaulinus you claim that the peasants learned Greek in order to read the bible. Oh please!

Greek Language in Cyprus has continued uninterrupted for 3500 years.

Or you will claim that the whole population changed language with every new ruler? If that was the case then we wouldn't speak Greek now since after the Byzantines a lot more rulers followed. I hope you understand how weak your argument is.


Mr Piratis

1500 - 332 BC Colonisation by Phoenicians, Acheans,
Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians.

Which of these Conquerors used Greek as their Language??


Mr suetoniuspaulinus

lol I think we should stop to argue about this topic or Persians may want cyprus back.
but wait. Np for Turks, there are almost 20 000 000 Turk in Iran. 30-40% of population. So np there would be still turk in island. :wink:
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:24 pm

Mr Piratis

An how is it that after nearly 400 years of Ottoman rule that the Christian Cypriots STILL managed to retain their Greek Language if not due to their religion????
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:28 pm

Which of these Conquerors used Greek as their Language?


The Acheans. But as I said they were not Conquerors. They simply settled in Cyprus by founding new cities.

May I ask from were you got your timeline from?
It creates an artificial "era" of more than 1500 years in which they include everybody in order to diminish the initial colonization by the Greeks which is the reason why Greek Cypriots exist.

How about a timeline:

1191-1960: Cyprus is ruled by Francs, English, Ottomans etc.

I hope you understand that this is wrong.
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:29 pm

Murtaza wrote:
suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
Piratis wrote:
The Language of the bible was translated from Aramaic to Hebrew to Latin to Greek. Christians used and became used to the Greek language for this reason.


So suetoniuspaulinus you claim that the peasants learned Greek in order to read the bible. Oh please!

Greek Language in Cyprus has continued uninterrupted for 3500 years.

Or you will claim that the whole population changed language with every new ruler? If that was the case then we wouldn't speak Greek now since after the Byzantines a lot more rulers followed. I hope you understand how weak your argument is.


Mr Piratis

1500 - 332 BC Colonisation by Phoenicians, Acheans,
Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians.

Which of these Conquerors used Greek as their Language??


Mr suetoniuspaulinus

lol I think we should stop to argue about this topic or Persians may want cyprus back.
but wait. Np for Turks, there are almost 20 000 000 Turk in Iran. 30-40% of population. So np there would be still turk in island. :wink:


Mr Murtaza

Good evening to you

You are probably quite right but sometimes I can get a little agitated.

I think it is Mr Magikthrill who signs off with "Ignorance is bliss". If this were really true there would be many more happy posters on this forum.

The problems of this island lie ahead of us which is why I was happy to see Mr Piratis saying something sensible that I could agree with.

You still haven't explained to me about the Azeri oil pipeline. I would really like your view on that.
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Postby Leon » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:36 pm

7000 - 3900 BC Neolithic Age.

3900 - 2600 BC Chalcolithic Age.

2000 BC Bronze Age, influence of Asia Minor.

1500 - 332 BC Colonisation by Phoenicians, Acheans,
Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians.

333 BC Alexander the Great ends Persian
domination.

195 - 58 BC Reign of Ptolemy.

58 BC - 330 AD Cyprus annexed by Rome.

330 - 1191 AD Byzantine Period.

1191 AD Richard I of England conquers Cyprus.

1192 - 1489 AD Lusignian Reign.

1372 - 1374 AD Genoese occupation of Famagusta.

1489 - 1571 AD Venetians annexe Cyprus.

1571 AD Ottoman conquest of Cyprus.

1571 - 1914 AD Cyprus becomes an Ottoman province.

1878 - 1914 AD Ottomans cede administration of the
island to Great Britain.

1914 - 1960 AD Cyprus is annexed by Great Britain and
under the Traty of Lausanne becomes a
Crown Colony in 1925.

1960 AD The Republic of Cyprus is granted
independence.

1963 AD Political rivalry between the Greek and
Turkish Communities .

1964 AD UN. Peace force stationed in Cyprus.

Where oh where do the Greeks come into this story Mr Leon?


Erm... they come into it when Alexander the Great ended Serbian domination in 333BC, just as you quoted, mate :wink:.
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Postby Murtaza » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:42 pm

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
You still haven't explained to me about the Azeri oil pipeline. I would really like your view on that.


Mr suetoniuspaulinus
Infact I dont care much about that Azeri oil pipeline.
I think It would help Azeris much.(Their economy can improve 20% for 1-5 year)
And also improve Turkey stratejic position(mostly against russia) and Economic position too.

But for me it's biggest benefit would be, People of Turkish world know each other better or I hope this :)

And maybe Georgians and Turks will know each other better.

As a Expansionist, I think best way to expand is to conquerer heart.
(Sufi way)
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:46 pm

Murtaza wrote:
suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
You still haven't explained to me about the Azeri oil pipeline. I would really like your view on that.


Mr suetoniuspaulinus
Infact I dont care much about that Azeri oil pipeline.
I think It would help Azeris much.(Their economy can improve 20% for 1-5 year)
And also improve Turkey stratejic position(mostly against russia) and Economic position too.

But for me it's biggest benefit would be, People of Turkish world know each other better or I hope this :)

And maybe Georgians and Turks will know each other better.

As a Expansionist, I think best way to expand is to conquerer heart.
(Sufi way)


Mr Murtaza

Didn't you know Sufism was invented by Alexander the Great :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for your ideas about the pipeline. I think Turkey should look more to the East for economic development. Does Turkey have much to do with China??
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