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[suetoniuspaulinus]

t all I wish is for the poisoning of young minds to stop as each side is as culpable as the other. That is all I wish to say except that should anyone think to ask yes I lost family during the troubles, male and female, I just live in hope not self pity.
Must go & pack as I am off to Cyprus tomorrow.

Mr Michael Coumas

First of all let me say that I hope you have a good journey and that your stay in our country will be a pleasant one.

Secondly, I could not agree with you more.

I say "our" country because I believe it is mine also. Irrespective of the past, in a few years time or whenever, there will be an agreement of some sort and that is when the Cyprus Problem will really begin.

My child is growing up here. was born here. is being educated here, at the local school, where she mixes with all the ethnic divisions that exist in our part of the world.

She is a smart little girl and I promise you that she has me wrapped round her little finger.

I really do not want to explain to her about The Cyprob and Eoka and TMT
and and why they did this and why we did that. I think it would embarrass me too much to have to admit that Adults did this to Adults, and Children

I suppose this is my CYPROB

It has to change

Not by looking for 18% 82% blame

( Pareto Optimality??)

But by understanding that if we don't have a more positive approach to each other then it's going to be difficult for me in about 2yrs time when my daughter asks me WHY?

How do we do this please?

[Leon]

Michael, thank you very much for that and what you say makes nothing but sense . Nice journey, I really envy you.

OK, don't say I'm having a go at you all, but how are you Cypriot? It was an invasion, I don't see how you have the right?

If Turkey are playing football or are in Eurovision for example do you support them and/or think "that's my country"? What about Cyprus in the same situation?

Leon .

[cannedmoose]

OK, don't say I'm having a go at you all, but how are you Cypriot? It was an invasion, I don't see how you have the right?

Leon, is it really necessary to ask this question of everyone? I wasn't born in Cyprus and I don't live in Cyprus, neither of my parents are Cypriot. My only connection with Cyprus is through marriage and the deep ties to the island and to my Cypriot family that this has given me. Thus, when I move to the island and settle there for the remainder of my life let me claim this, I don't feel Greek or Turkish in any way, therefore I will regard myself as a Cypriot. As a scholar on the subject, I know how easy it is to 'go native' with one side or the other, often the only way to ensure that one is impartial in Cyprus is to be unpopular with everyone, usually that means you're that one step closer to the truth.

Finally, as for your assertion that the Turkish intervention was an invasion, I both agree and disagree with you. In my view, the initial Turkish military operation on July 20th was purely designed to establish a limited zone of control on the island within which Turkish Cypriot security could be guaranteed. For me personally, this has been a sensitive issue as arguing this is also to argue that my wife's uncle was killed by Turkish forces operating legitimately. However, it is one that I stand by. Having watching the enthroning of Sampson, there was no way the Turkish government could have stood back and countenanced even the possibility of a massacre. In the absence of negative signals from the US, the door was open and the Turkish government took the opportunity. However, the more extensive August operation was an invasion of the classic kind, designed to secure sufficient resources for the establishment of an autonomous entity in the north and closely according to invasion plans drawn up previously.

[demetriou_74]

leon i was not born in cyprus and nor were my parents, however as far back as my family goes we are from cyprus. turks can live in our country till justice is served but i do not agree that they can call it theirs. they may support its football etc but not call it their own. they merely reside in illegally occupied land.

[cannedmoose]

leon i was not born in cyprus and nor were my parents, however as far back as my family goes we are from cyprus. turks can live in our country till justice is served but i do not agree that they can call it theirs. they may support its football etc but not call it their own. they merely reside in illegally occupied land.

Do you mean Turks, Turkish-Cypriots, or both?

[suetoniuspaulinus]

leon i was not born in cyprus and nor were my parents, however as far back as my family goes we are from cyprus. turks can live in our country till justice is served but i do not agree that they can call it theirs. they may support its football etc but not call it their own. they merely reside in illegally occupied land.

Looks like I'm also going to have to explain to my daughter what a Londralı is

[demetriou_74]

you are better off telling your children. the worst thing is a person having to find things out for themselves. dowhat you want but dont lie beacuse they may speak up and be wrong. not insulting you or your family but explain it or they may hear half-truths forming a totally wrong opinion about the issue

[suetoniuspaulinus]

you are better off telling your children. the worst thing is a person having to find things out for themselves. dowhat you want but dont lie beacuse they may speak up and be wrong. not insulting you or your family but explain it or they may hear half-truths forming a totally wrong opinion about the issue

Ms dmetriou-74

Thank you very much for this invaluable advice.

I agree with you in that the truth should always be told.

Trouble is that "Truth" is very often subjective. It sort of depends on which side of the line you are, and what you have personally experienced.

My daughter believes that adults tell the truth.

I'm sure she would be horrified to learn what adults have done in the names of Truth, Justice and Religion.

PS She is 8yrs old.

[demetriou_74]

where i am from there are lots and lots of greeks and turks. i often hear 12 year olds argueing and saying 'get out of my country', followed by haha 'shame i am living in your house' as you would expect there were often lots of fights. the worst thing about it is that they do not know what really happened. not saying your child will become a racist but if she grows up "bitter" becasue thats what everyone else says to her it will be a shame. however if she does research and knows what is going on i can not blame her for holding a grudge. only advice is do not brain wash her. i will write a longer post on a later date, however as many of you know and often bully me i am 16 and have a GCSE in about 20 hours. hope i can help

[garbitsch]

where i am from there are lots and lots of greeks and turks. i often hear 12 year olds argueing and saying 'get out of my country', followed by haha 'shame i am living in your house' as you would expect there were often lots of fights. the worst thing about it is that they do not know what really happened. not saying your child will become a racist but if she grows up "bitter" becasue thats what everyone else says to her it will be a shame. however if she does research and knows what is going on i can not blame her for holding a grudge. only advice is do not brain wash her. i will write a longer post on a later date, however as many of you know and often bully me i am 16 and have a GCSE in about 20 hours. hope i can help

Do you consider yourself brainwashed too? Cause you keep saying "Turks can live wherever they want but not in Cyprus". Do you include Turkish Cypriots in this list aswell?