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[denizaksulu]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

I have never challenged Piratis over democratic rule and human rights in Cyprus Oracle. I only challenge his monotonous repeating of the 'alleged right to self determination and right to Enosis with scant disregard to the fate of the Turkish minority of Cyprus - the main problem we have at hand. He knows that. The Turkish Cypriots would have never accepted Enosis. The formation of the TMT and demands for 'Taksim' was the natural reaction to the demand for ENOSIS.

[Oracle]

... These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

You'll find that every other country in the world had opponents of Democracy and Human Rights, in the past, just as we unfortunately still have, today, in the form of Turk-TCs (and you). However, those countries did not allow those bigoted opponents of Democracy to thwart their efforts for the future. And neither will we allow you to thwart our efforts for establishing a full Democracy over the whole country!

[BirKibrisli]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

As long as it takes for you to admit that the ENOSIS dream was a foolish and misguided adventure which intended to punish the TCs for all the real and imaginary sins of their forefathers....And as long as it takes for you to admit that the originator of Ethnic cleansing was non other than Makarios,who between 1963-74 thought nothing about the democratic and human rights of the TCs....He happily seized all the power for the GCs and went about treacherously working to undermine the independence of the Republic of Cyprus...It is too little too late now,Oracle,for you and your think-alike to cry out for democracy and human rights...The time for that was back in the early 60s and you failed the TCs miserably...Now you are ripping the mistrust of those downtrotten and forgotten "tyrannous minority"...When you show some empathy and remorse,and work towards building trust and respect,then we will talk about democracy,reunification,reconciliation etc etc...Not before...

[Oracle]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

I have never challenged Piratis over democratic rule and human rights in Cyprus Oracle. I only challenge his monotonous repeating of the 'alleged right to self determination and right to Enosis with scant disregard to the fate of the Turkish minority of Cyprus - the main problem we have at hand. He knows that. The Turkish Cypriots would have never accepted Enosis. The formation of the TMT and demands for 'Taksim' was the natural reaction to the demand for ENOSIS.

OK, so you are in full agreement with Piratis over 95% of what he says (Democracy and HR).

Now for that 5%.

What bit about Cypriots' "right to self determination and Enosis" is wrong when you apply those principles (Democracy and Human Rights), with which you are in 100% agreement with Piratis?

[denizaksulu]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

I have never challenged Piratis over democratic rule and human rights in Cyprus Oracle. I only challenge his monotonous repeating of the 'alleged right to self determination and right to Enosis with scant disregard to the fate of the Turkish minority of Cyprus - the main problem we have at hand. He knows that. The Turkish Cypriots would have never accepted Enosis. The formation of the TMT and demands for 'Taksim' was the natural reaction to the demand for ENOSIS.

OK, so you are in full agreement with Piratis over 95% of what he says (Democracy and HR).

Now for that 5%.

What bit about Cypriots' "right to self determination and Enosis" is wrong when you apply those principles (Democracy and Human Rights), with which you are in 100% agreement with Piratis?

I would support any effort of Cypriots to unify their island and have due regard for the needs and Human Rights of all its citizens. (as Cypriots). The finer wording I will leave to those politicians who will take these seriously and NOT use their 'majority' to suppress the 'minority. Difficulties there are for sure, but these can be surmounted. But not while your 'god' keeps on about their (the GC)inallienable right to ENOSIS.

[Oracle]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

I have never challenged Piratis over democratic rule and human rights in Cyprus Oracle. I only challenge his monotonous repeating of the 'alleged right to self determination and right to Enosis with scant disregard to the fate of the Turkish minority of Cyprus - the main problem we have at hand. He knows that. The Turkish Cypriots would have never accepted Enosis. The formation of the TMT and demands for 'Taksim' was the natural reaction to the demand for ENOSIS.

OK, so you are in full agreement with Piratis over 95% of what he says (Democracy and HR).

Now for that 5%.

What bit about Cypriots' "right to self determination and Enosis" is wrong when you apply those principles (Democracy and Human Rights), with which you are in 100% agreement with Piratis?

I would support any effort of Cypriots to unify their island and have due regard for the needs and Human Rights of all its citizens. (as Cypriots). The finer wording I will leave to those politicians who will take these seriously and NOT use their 'majority' to suppress the 'minority. Difficulties there are for sure, but these can be surmounted. But not while your 'god' keeps on about their (the GC)inallienable right to ENOSIS.

So, you are unable to bring yourself to apply those same principles of Democracy and HR, which you claim to support, towards backing your claim that when the majority desired Enosis, they were wrong to do so.

In which case you are a hypocrite.

[miltiades]

My next "chapter" would have detailed the events that led to a 15 year old losing his virginity !!!!
It also looks as if the snow in the UK will not allow me to fly today , it was also snowing way back in December of 1961 when some ...evil woman deflowered a young innocent boy !

[Oracle]

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As long as it takes for you to admit that the ENOSIS dream was a foolish and misguided adventure ...

It's not up to me, nor you, to say that any wishes of a majority population were "foolish and misguided" in the context that they were established, by legitimate means, as befitted the times and their rights.

... which intended to punish the TCs for all the real and imaginary sins of their forefathers.....

You have no proof to substantiate such an "imaginary" scenario since any later conflicts, were due to Turkish suppression of the right to Enosis.

I am sure the Cypriots of the time, were thinking less about an imaginary "punishing" of a "minority" and more about NOT continuing to punish a majority!

Selfish, aren't you?

[denizaksulu]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

I have never challenged Piratis over democratic rule and human rights in Cyprus Oracle. I only challenge his monotonous repeating of the 'alleged right to self determination and right to Enosis with scant disregard to the fate of the Turkish minority of Cyprus - the main problem we have at hand. He knows that. The Turkish Cypriots would have never accepted Enosis. The formation of the TMT and demands for 'Taksim' was the natural reaction to the demand for ENOSIS.

OK, so you are in full agreement with Piratis over 95% of what he says (Democracy and HR).

Now for that 5%.

What bit about Cypriots' "right to self determination and Enosis" is wrong when you apply those principles (Democracy and Human Rights), with which you are in 100% agreement with Piratis?

I would support any effort of Cypriots to unify their island and have due regard for the needs and Human Rights of all its citizens. (as Cypriots). The finer wording I will leave to those politicians who will take these seriously and NOT use their 'majority' to suppress the 'minority. Difficulties there are for sure, but these can be surmounted. But not while your 'god' keeps on about their (the GC)inallienable right to ENOSIS.

So, you are unable to bring yourself to apply those same principles of Democracy and HR, which you claim to support, towards backing your claim that when the majority desired Enosis, they were wrong to do so.

In which case you are a hypocrite.

I have the right to 'protect' the people I belong to. That will include all Cypriots TC and GC; but not exclusively GC. Its a pity you dont see any anomaly of 'true democrasy'. No where can you have 100% democracy. It would lead to all sorts of anarchy.

I am what I am. Call me names, thats your prerogative. I disagree, but that cuts no ice with you.

[BirKibrisli]

My next "chapter" would have detailed the events that led to a 15 year old losing his virginity !!!!
It also looks as if the snow in the UK will not allow me to fly today , it was also snowing way back in December of 1961 when some ...evil woman deflowered a young innocent boy !

We are eagerly awaiting the next chapter,dear miltiades...