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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:52 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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Bananiot wrote:Of course, not only the Palestinians and the GC's. Turkish people should be carefull of Turkey too.


The Palestinian Authority has actually admitted that Turkish involvement could be a big hindrance to peace and reconciliation with Israel which will see greater autonomy and the lifting of sanctions.



Reh, Bafidis, are you blind. The Palestinian authority are doing exactly the same as you and your cohorts vis a vis - Your friend is my enemy crap. Nothing more and nothing less. This is a power struggle between the warring factions and if you dont or cant or wont see this then I feel sorry for you. :shock:


Naturally, the Palestinians will do what is in their interests! Cyprus should do the same.

And if there is a war between Turkey and Israel, then I believe our interests lie with Israel, ergo with NATO, EU, US, Australia, Canada etc etc.

Now, I am not saying this is a likely scenario at the moment.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:56 pm

Paphitis wrote:I don't know what fantasy you are on about.

It doesn't pay to go against Israel, and the only thing I advocate is for Cyprus to have good relations with Israel, perhaps sign a mutual Defence Pact agreement, purchase more Israeli armaments, and stay right away from the Free Gaza Movement!

And the latter is exactly what the RoC has done!

The forces behind Israel are far too strong, and if we attempt to punch higher than our weight, they will destroy us. Turkey on the other hand can continue on its merry way!



What you are saying is that YOU are scared shitless from Israel.

Hence the Turkish sayıng 'bükemediğin eli öp', ie. kiss the hand that you cannot defeat.

Congratulations. What a loser. :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:02 pm

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Paphitis wrote:I don't know what fantasy you are on about.

It doesn't pay to go against Israel, and the only thing I advocate is for Cyprus to have good relations with Israel, perhaps sign a mutual Defence Pact agreement, purchase more Israeli armaments, and stay right away from the Free Gaza Movement!

And the latter is exactly what the RoC has done!

The forces behind Israel are far too strong, and if we attempt to punch higher than our weight, they will destroy us. Turkey on the other hand can continue on its merry way!



What you are saying is that YOU are scared shitless from Israel.

Hence the Turkish sayıng 'bükemediğin eli öp', ie. kiss the hand that you cannot defeat.

Congratulations. What a loser. :lol:


Suicide is something I don't want to do. We did this once before, and look at the result.

It is a case of survival.

Only the strong can take on Israel. Since Turkey is strong, they should go right ahead and fight for peace and justice. :lol:

Cyprus needs friends, and Israel is a good friend to have in our region!
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Postby yialousa1971 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:13 am

Erdogan Deserves Medal As Fake Friend of Palestinians

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2010/06/08/erdogan-palestine/

In the past week the world witnessed an amazing performance by a government leader that even the most accomplished Hollywood actor could not match!

Turkey’s Prime Minister deserves an Oscar for presenting himself as a great humanitarian and protector of Palestinians. The people of Gaza are certainly oppressed and deprived, but Erdogan is not their knight in shining armor! One cannot champion human rights with unclean hands!
This is the height of hypocrisy!

- How could Turkey blockade Armenia for 17 years and credibly call on Israel to lift its blockade of Gaza?

- How could Erdogan condemn Israeli attacks on Palestinians, when Turkish jets regularly bomb Northern Iraq (Kurdistan), killing and maiming innocent men, women and children?

- How could the Prime Minister of Turkey condemn Israel’s mistreatment of Palestinians, when his own country deprives Alevis, Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, Jews and Kurds of their most basic rights?

- How could Turkey oppose the occupation of Palestine and Karabagh (Artsakh), while occupying Northern Cyprus and Western Armenia?

- How could Turkish leaders accuse Israel and China of committing "genocide," when they deny the reality of Turkey’s own genocide of 1.5 million Armenians?

- How could Turkey claim to be champion of the Palestinian cause and leader of the Islamic world, while being Israel’s closest military ally in the Middle East for over a half century, and allowing Israeli jets to carry out practice bombing runs in Turkish airspace against Arab countries and Iran?

- How could Syria, Iraq and Iran trust Turkey, when it jeopardizes their national security by permitting Israeli listening posts along the border to collect intelligence on their countries.

- How could Erdogan be a guardian of human rights while journalists, attorneys, clergymen and human rights activists are persecuted and even assassinated in his own country?

- How could Turkish leaders claim that Israel is a "terrorist state," while continuing to maintain a military alliance and multi-billion dollar trade with the Jewish state? Turkey pretended to side with Arab states, all the while conspiring with Israel to damage their national security!

Israel and the United States share responsibility for Turkey’s hypocritical behavior -- they joined in supporting, defending and covering up numerous Turkish violations of human rights, denial of the Armenian Genocide, and suppression and ethnic cleansing of the Kurdish minority. In the past 60 years, the United States and other NATO members gave billions of dollars in foreign aid and military assistance to Turkey, vainly expecting to win its loyalty. This was a massive waste of U.S. resources, as Turkey did not even allow American troops to go across its border at the start of the Iraq war!

Turkey cleverly exploited Israel’s ill-advised attack on the Gaza aid flotilla, and sought to fill the vacuum created by the irresponsible inaction of Arab states. Erdogan is just as guilty as Israel’s leaders for causing the killing and wounding of the aid activists. He tacitly encouraged them to set sail to Gaza, knowing full well that there would be a bloody confrontation which would boost his own standing at home and abroad. Turkey’s junior brother, Azerbaijan, also gets a medal for hypocrisy as it issued a timid condemnation of Israel, so it could continue to buy arms and sell oil to that country. So much for Turkish-Azeri solidarity!

Of course, over the years, the Israeli government has acted just as hypocritically as Turkey’s leaders. While countering any and all manifestations of Holocaust revisionism, Israeli officials have shown no reluctance in supporting Turkey’s denials of the Armenian Genocide. But now that Erdogan has raised his voice against Israel to a fever pitch, Israelis have jumped at the opportunity of using the possibility of recognizing the Armenian Genocide as a weapon against
Turkey. Armenians must reject such dishonesty. The Israeli government was not sincere when it denied the Armenian Genocide, and it is not sincere now in supporting its recognition! It is shameful to play cheap political games with an issue as horrendous and devastating as genocide. Israel and others should recognize the Armenian Genocide for only one reason: It is the absolute truth!

So far, Turkey has been all talk and no action on the Palestinian issue. Erdogan has not gone beyond giving fiery speeches against Israel. If he is honest about defending the Palestinians, he might consider:

1. Canceling all military contacts and contracts with Israel;
2. Abrogating all public and secret military and strategic agreements with Israel, including intelligence-sharing; and
3. Closing down the Turkish Embassy in Tel Aviv and Israel’s Embassy in Ankara.


In the aftermath of last week’s bloody confrontation, a major domestic controversy erupted in Turkey, when Erdogan accused Israel of breaking one of the Ten Commandments. After saying "You Shall not Kill" in Turkish, he repeated it in English and Hebrew, to make sure that Jews “could understand” his words! In response, Kemal Kılıcdaroglu, leader of CHP opposition Party, told the Turkish public that Erdogan himself had broken two other Commandments: “You Shall not Steal” and “You Shall not Lie!”

By Harut Sassounian
Publisher, The California Courier
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Postby B25 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:15 pm

OK here are the innocent Turks on the flotilla ship, mish!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4 ... _embedded#!

If you were an IDF would you have opened fire, damn right, I'd have shot them all.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:28 pm

B25 wrote:OK here are the innocent Turks on the flotilla ship, mish!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4 ... _embedded#!

If you were an IDF would you have opened fire, damn right, I'd have shot them all.



If some one attacks your home whilst armed to the teeth, then you have two options. . One, put your tail between your legs and lick their boots or you fight back against such agression. What are you? A MAN or a mouse. But then you stated you are a bloodthirsty murderer (to be).
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Postby B25 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:35 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
B25 wrote:OK here are the innocent Turks on the flotilla ship, mish!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4 ... _embedded#!

If you were an IDF would you have opened fire, damn right, I'd have shot them all.



If some one attacks your home whilst armed to the teeth, then you have two options. . One, put your tail between your legs and lick their boots or you fight back against such agression. What are you? A MAN or a mouse. But then you stated you are a bloodthirsty murderer (to be).


Deniz, very poor example, if armed police had entered your home, would you have taken metal rods and knives to them or would you, put your hands up and co-operate. please don't try to condone what those turks did, nothing but pure provocation and they got what they asked for.

But then you would know about breaking in armed to the teeth, as you have good experience of that from '74!
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:47 pm

B25 wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
B25 wrote:OK here are the innocent Turks on the flotilla ship, mish!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4 ... _embedded#!

If you were an IDF would you have opened fire, damn right, I'd have shot them all.



If some one attacks your home whilst armed to the teeth, then you have two options. . One, put your tail between your legs and lick their boots or you fight back against such agression. What are you? A MAN or a mouse. But then you stated you are a bloodthirsty murderer (to be).


Deniz, very poor example, if armed police had entered your home, would you have taken metal rods and knives to them or would you, put your hands up and co-operate. please don't try to condone what those turks did, nothing but pure provocation and they got what they asked for.

But then you would know about breaking in armed to the teeth, as you have good experience of that from '74!



Very poor example.
If police enter my house they have jurisdiction over it and may have been empowered by law of the country i live in. Period...or try again. :roll:

Piracy in international waters is entirely different.
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:05 pm

They are queuing up to prove the point:

A good and proper Greek/GC bash patriot must be both, antisemitic and a Turk eater.


Only, now the Turks are adversaries of Jews and like in a football match we need to pick sides. Our criterion, they tell us should be just one: We should choose the side that best serves our interests. And in a matter of milliseconds they smashed into smithereens the image of themselves they tried so hard to build, an image based on adherence to moral issues and the international law.

Now, all the world, can adjusts its stand on the Cyprus issue on this only criterion and anyone who attempts from now on to moan about institutions and countries looking after their interests (which most likely are tied with Turkey, as an important player in the area) should just shut up in shame.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:09 pm

Bananiot wrote:They are queuing up to prove the point:

A good and proper Greek/GC bash patriot must be both, antisemitic and a Turk eater.


Only, now the Turks are adversaries of Jews and like in a football match we need to pick sides. Our criterion, they tell us should be just one: We should choose the side that best serves our interests. And in a matter of milliseconds they smashed into smithereens the image of themselves they tried so hard to build, an image based on adherence to moral issues and the international law.
Now, all the world, can adjusts its stand on the Cyprus issue on this only criterion and anyone who attempts from now on to moan about institutions and countries looking after their interests (which most likely are tied with Turkey, as an important player in the area) should just shut up in shame.


This has not gone unnoticed Bananiot. Thats how people lose respect.
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