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[gauss]

So who is the bozo now?

O.k. so let me get this straight. You are the citizen of a nation and a people - and no less, the member of a family - who has been subject to war crimes (illegal aggressive invasion, execution of unarmed surrendered prisoners, indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets, institutionalised mass rape), and on-going crimes against humanity (the near complete ethnic cleansing of ancestral homelands). Very few have spoken up unequivocally against these atrocities, and only one nation on the planet shed any blood in your defense. Yet when your bogan nouveau compatriots throw not one but two fragmentation grenades into an enclosure in the knowledge that there are children within, not only do you enthusiastically and without a hint of shame, irony, or self-awareness defend this abject and despicable slaughter, but you have the temerity to ask if I am the bozo...

[Paphitis]

Furthermore, I think you will find that every member in the ADF will support any prosecution if there was indeed an act of callous murder. But this is a very grey area at the moment because of the statement the soldiers have released to the media, and also because it appears apparent that the soldiers in question have the support of their Unit, their Commander and the Chief of Defence Force, Air Marshall Angus Houston of all people!

There is a little more to this story that you or the media are aware of. The soldiers received fire from a building at night and they threw a grenade killing 1 insurgent and 5 civilians. They claim that they did not know of any civilians and that some of them were very nearly killed on that night from enemy fire! The soldiers are adamant about their innocence, and I think you will find that it was them who reported the incident! This is pretty much all we know so far!

The ADF likes to think that they are a bit better than the Americans and even better than the Brits. They are well trained and are not in the business of killing civilians. In fact, they don't even like to kill enemy insurgents! Killing someone is something every soldier in the ADF would be quite happy to avoid if they can! Great care and diligence is taken, but things can get out of hand when you are being shot at! Our soldiers are very well trained and follow very strict Rules of Engagement. They do not take the American Approach on matters. They are selected from the best performing High School and University graduates. It is very competitive because for most people, the ADF is a good career prospect. No one wants to kill willy nilly, and those that have to are never the same.

I have worked with Vietnam Vets in the RSL. The mental condition of some of our soldiers was quite heart breaking. What they went through I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Within this group I have managed to take a former Cyprus National Guardsman who suffers very similar mental symptoms and is Bipolar to boot. But the road to recovery is long and hard, even for Huey Pilots! Drugs, alcoholism, domestic violence etc are common. Some need to take antidepressants to get through the day!

Reposted because the initial post was changed!

[Paphitis]

I have an American friend who is a Vietnam War Vet!

He was an AH-1G Cobra Helicopter Pilot. During one sortie alone, he was given direct orders to engage enemy VC. There were 800 them. He was listening to a particular song which was 4 minutes long. So he and another Helicopter Gunship made their pass, unleashed their rockets. They then turned back to make another pass to survey the damage, and they say 2 VC get up amidst the bodies. They turned around again, this time firing their 20mm cannon. The 2 soldiers drop to the ground. By this time, the song he was listening to, all 4 minutes of it, had finished!

This man had 2 daughters. One as murdered in the States. When he returned to the States, his piloting career was non existent! He was hooked on Marijuana, was an aggressive and bitter person. He divorced 3 times. But over the years he managed to slowly change things. He moved to Alaska and started a small property development business and made a bit of money. He then decided to move to Australia because that is what he always wanted to do. He married an Australian girl. He works for a large Australian Helicopter company. He is writing a book, and this is about to be published. In it, you will see his internal struggle and he he came to terms with killing so many people. There is much more than his. He is a very interesting, funny and jovial person now.

He has done a lot to assist many Australian Vietnam vets (and a Cyprus National Guardsman believe it or not!) within the RSL. You see, the RSL is quite an interesting organisation. They have members who served the CNG (well I only am aware of 1) and many Greek Military personnel, mainly Korean Vets, which is why there is even a Hellenic RSL.

If you had to kill 800 men, how would you feel?

[Paphitis]

So who is the bozo now?

O.k. so let me get this straight. You are the citizen of a nation and a people - and no less, the member of a family - who has been subject to war crimes (illegal aggressive invasion, execution of unarmed surrendered prisoners, indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets, institutionalised mass rape), and on-going crimes against humanity (the near complete ethnic cleansing of ancestral homelands).

Not in the ADF sunshine!

This is not our way. It brings shame to Australia. If other countries do this, and I can name a few, well then what can I say! One of those countries is still in Cyprus!

Very few have spoken up unequivocally against these atrocities, and only one nation on the planet shed any blood in your defense. Yet when your bogan nouveau compatriots throw not one but two fragmentation grenades into an enclosure in the knowledge that there are children within, not only do you enthusiastically and without a hint of shame, irony, or self-awareness defend this abject and despicable slaughter, but you have the temerity to ask if I am the bozo...

Well, that is the thing!

No one in the Unit was aware that there were civilians present in the same building! This is the soldier's statement, and if this is proven, then there will not be much of a man slaughter case! Maybe some procedural Charges may still apply, but the men will walk free!

And as I told you before, if that is NOT the case, then no one in the ADF would want them to walk free. Killing civilians is just not something we take lightly! It is not us. It is NOT the ADF, It is NOT the ANZAC way! It is un Australian!

[gauss]

I have an American friend who is a Vietnam War Vet!

He was an AH-1G Cobra Helicopter Pilot. During one sortie alone, he was given direct orders to engage enemy VC. There were 800 them. He was listening to a particular song which was 4 minutes long. So he and another Helicopter Gunship made their pass, unleashed their rockets. They then turned back to make another pass to survey the damage, and they say 2 VC get up amidst the bodies. They turned around again, this time firing their 20mm cannon. The 2 soldiers drop to the ground. By this time, the song he was listening to, all 4 minutes of it, had finished!

This man had 2 daughters. One as murdered in the States. When he returned to the States, his piloting career was non existent! He was hooked on Marijuana, was an aggressive and bitter person. He divorced 3 times. But over the years he managed to slowly change things. He moved to Alaska and started a small property development business and made a bit of money. He then decided to move to Australia because that is what he always wanted to do. He married an Australian girl. He works for a large Australian Helicopter company. He is writing a book, and this is about to be published. In it, you will see his internal struggle and he he came to terms with killing so many people. There is much more than his. He is a very interesting, funny and jovial person now.

He has done a lot to assist many Australian Vietnam vets (and a Cyprus National Guardsman believe it or not!) within the RSL. You see, the RSL is quite an interesting organisation. They have members who served the CNG (well I only am aware of 1) and many Greek Military personnel, mainly Korean Vets, which is why there is even a Hellenic RSL.

If you had to kill 800 men, how would you feel?

What do your ethnically-cleansed in-laws think of your giddy support for the commission of war crimes by powerful foreign butchers and murderers upon innocent civilians in the homes and homelands, be that in Cyprus, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else? Are they any more principled than you are?

[Get Real!]

So who is the bozo now?

YOU!


Now guit posting rubbish all over this thread and making a dork of yourself.

[gauss]

So who is the bozo now?

O.k. so let me get this straight. You are the citizen of a nation and a people - and no less, the member of a family - who has been subject to war crimes (illegal aggressive invasion, execution of unarmed surrendered prisoners, indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets, institutionalised mass rape), and on-going crimes against humanity (the near complete ethnic cleansing of ancestral homelands).

Not in the ADF sunshine!

No, never...

http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s319013.htm

[Paphitis]

I have an American friend who is a Vietnam War Vet!

He was an AH-1G Cobra Helicopter Pilot. During one sortie alone, he was given direct orders to engage enemy VC. There were 800 them. He was listening to a particular song which was 4 minutes long. So he and another Helicopter Gunship made their pass, unleashed their rockets. They then turned back to make another pass to survey the damage, and they say 2 VC get up amidst the bodies. They turned around again, this time firing their 20mm cannon. The 2 soldiers drop to the ground. By this time, the song he was listening to, all 4 minutes of it, had finished!

This man had 2 daughters. One as murdered in the States. When he returned to the States, his piloting career was non existent! He was hooked on Marijuana, was an aggressive and bitter person. He divorced 3 times. But over the years he managed to slowly change things. He moved to Alaska and started a small property development business and made a bit of money. He then decided to move to Australia because that is what he always wanted to do. He married an Australian girl. He works for a large Australian Helicopter company. He is writing a book, and this is about to be published. In it, you will see his internal struggle and he he came to terms with killing so many people. There is much more than his. He is a very interesting, funny and jovial person now.

He has done a lot to assist many Australian Vietnam vets (and a Cyprus National Guardsman believe it or not!) within the RSL. You see, the RSL is quite an interesting organisation. They have members who served the CNG (well I only am aware of 1) and many Greek Military personnel, mainly Korean Vets, which is why there is even a Hellenic RSL.

If you had to kill 800 men, how would you feel?

What do your ethnically-cleansed in-laws think of your giddy support for the commission of war crimes by powerful foreign butchers and murderers upon innocent civilians in the homes and homelands, be that in Cyprus, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, or anywhere else? Are they any more principled than you are?

As I told you before, the Australian public and media are presently very skeptical about this situation. Very little is known other than the released statement by the soldiers, and what the charges are. I also have some insider information I have been able to obtain from known to me sources but am not at liberty to reveal I'm afraid! So watch this space!

And generally speaking, the Australian public is very supportive to the ADF. They know full well the sacrifices made by our soldiers and their professionalism!

There is also a great deal of trust and well founded belief about the ethics and system which sees it fit to investigate every single civilian death whenever they occur from Australian fire! And as you can see, it works as 3 soldiers will face their charges!

[gauss]

It brings shame to Australia.

The real shame comes from pseudo-aussies like yourself with your shrill, pathetic pro-murder cheerleading. A fat grease ball desperate to be accepted as one of the club, the immigrant epitome of "unAustralian-ness" evangelising to others about what is "unAustralian". I guess you haven't figured out that the skippies consider you to be a joke and sneer at you behind your back...but keep up the good work defending their slaughter of children and babies with fragmentation grenades!

[gauss]

As I told you before, the Australian public and media are presently very skeptical about this situation. Very little is known other than the released statement by the soldiers, and what the charges are. I also have some insider information I have been able to obtain from known to me sources but am not at liberty to reveal I'm afraid! So watch this space!

And generally speaking, the Australian public is very supportive to the ADF. They know full well the sacrifices made by our soldiers and their professionalism!

Did I ask what your nation of beer-swilling bogan "compatriots" thinks? I asked you what your in-laws, who've been on the receiving end, think of your opinions and shameless cheer-leading for wanton slaughter of civilians by barbarian solders...