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Postby SpartanGamer » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:59 pm

mem101 wrote:The point of this thread was actually intended to show that Turkish and Greek Cypriots descend from the same stock, .


So, where is the evidence for your wish?
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:23 pm

Yialoser, you’ve made a dork of yourself again with these tables so I guess it’s time to go beat up another old man with your mates, to vent off! :lol:
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:45 pm

Get Real! wrote:Yialoser, you’ve made a dork of yourself again with these tables so I guess it’s time to go beat up another old man with your mates, to vent off! :lol:


... to "vent off" ... is that what it's called nowadays? ..... :?
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Postby SpartanGamer » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:57 pm

SpartanGamer wrote:
mem101 wrote:The point of this thread was actually intended to show that Turkish and Greek Cypriots descend from the same stock, .


So, where is the evidence for your wish?


I'm only asking, mem101, because the most recent studies suggest otherwise. :wink:

For example - there is an inherited form of deafness which is most common in modern Greek territories but which is of neolithic origin and hence traces of it can be used to track where ancient Greeks left their genes:

A 2009 study found the following:



Country ...... Region ................ Percentage 35delG Carrier Rates

Albania ........ Tirana .................................... 0
Bulgaria ....... Sophia ................................... 0
Greece ......................................................... 3.54
Greece ......... Athens ................................... 3.66
Greece ......... Crete ..................................... 5.36
Cyprus ......... south-geographical region .... 2.47
Cyprus .......... north-geographical region .... 0
Turkey .......... Ankara .................................. 0.40
Turkey .......... Istanbul ................................. 1.34
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:Yialoser, you’ve made a dork of yourself again with these tables so I guess it’s time to go beat up another old man with your mates, to vent off! :lol:


Everybody can see you're the fool like fat boy ZOC. If you don't understand the data, don't post!
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:01 pm

SpartanGamer wrote:
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mem101 wrote:The point of this thread was actually intended to show that Turkish and Greek Cypriots descend from the same stock, .


So, where is the evidence for your wish?


I'm only asking, mem101, because the most recent studies suggest otherwise. :wink:

For example - there is an inherited form of deafness which is most common in modern Greek territories but which is of neolithic origin and hence traces of it can be used to track where ancient Greeks left their genes:

A 2009 study found the following:



Country ...... Region ................ Percentage 35delG Carrier Rates

Albania ........ Tirana .................................... 0
Bulgaria ....... Sophia ................................... 0
Greece ......................................................... 3.54
Greece ......... Athens ................................... 3.66
Greece ......... Crete ..................................... 5.36
Cyprus ......... south-geographical region .... 2.47
Cyprus .......... north-geographical region .... 0
Turkey .......... Ankara .................................. 0.40
Turkey .......... Istanbul ................................. 1.34



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Postby SpartanGamer » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:17 pm

SpartanGamer wrote:
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mem101 wrote:The point of this thread was actually intended to show that Turkish and Greek Cypriots descend from the same stock, .


So, where is the evidence for your wish?


I'm only asking, mem101, because the most recent studies suggest otherwise. :wink:

For example - there is an inherited form of deafness which is most common in modern Greek territories but which is of neolithic origin and hence traces of it can be used to track where ancient Greeks left their genes:

A 2009 study found the following:



Country ...... Region ................ Percentage 35delG Carrier Rates

Albania ........ Tirana .................................... 0
Bulgaria ....... Sophia ................................... 0
Greece ......................................................... 3.54
Greece ......... Athens ................................... 3.66
Greece ......... Crete ..................................... 5.36
Cyprus ......... south-geographical region .... 2.47
Cyprus .......... north-geographical region .... 0
Turkey .......... Ankara .................................. 0.40
Turkey .......... Istanbul ................................. 1.34



BTW, mem101 ... here's some evidence that this gene is considered to be an "ethnic marker":



Statistical study of 35delG mutation of GJB2 gene: A meta-analysis of carrier frequency
2009, Vol. 48, No. 6 , Pages 363-370
Nejat Mahdieh1,2† and Bahareh Rabbani1
1Genetics Department, School of Medicine, Tarbiat Modares University, Tehran, Iran

2Medical Genetics Group, Ilam University of Medical Sciences, Ilam, Iran


GJB2 mutations are major causes of autosomal recessive nonsyndromic hearing loss (ARNSHL) in many populations. However, a few mutations have an ethnic-specific background. We performed a review by means of a meta-analysis to evaluate the influence of the 35delG on ARNSHL. A PubMed, InterScience, British Library Direct, and Sciencedirect search using keywords ‘35delG’, ‘GJB2’ and ‘Connexin 26’ associated with ‘carrier frequency’ was carried out to include all papers from February 1998 to February 2008. 35delG carrier frequencies in 23187 random controls were analysed and categorized, corresponding with geographical boundaries, from all over the world. Mean carrier frequencies of 35delG mutation were found to be 1.89, 1.52, 0.64, 1, and 0.64 for European, American, Asian, Ocean, and African populations, respectively. We found that the average 35delG carrier frequency is highest in southern Europe and lowest in eastern Asia. The south-to-north European gradient in the carrier frequency of 35delG was confirmed and also a west-to-east Asian gradient is suggested. This study highlights the importance of establishing prevalence, based on the local population for screening and diagnostic programs of live births.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:20 pm

Get Real! wrote:Yialoser, you’ve made a dork of yourself again with these tables so I guess it’s time to go beat up another old man with your mates, to vent off! :lol:


And I found a smiley for you fool!


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Postby ZoC » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:29 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Yialoser, you’ve made a dork of yourself again with these tables so I guess it’s time to go beat up another old man with your mates, to vent off! :lol:


Everybody can see you're the fool like fat boy ZOC. If you don't understand the data, don't post!


Image so why did u?

wot i wanna know is how closely ur haplos match with this young chap's...

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they'd better be a good match or me and michalis tsiakkas are gonna beat seven shades of shit out of u for looking like a juden...
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Postby SpartanGamer » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:31 pm

SpartanGamer wrote:
SpartanGamer wrote:
SpartanGamer wrote:
mem101 wrote:The point of this thread was actually intended to show that Turkish and Greek Cypriots descend from the same stock, .


So, where is the evidence for your wish?


I'm only asking, mem101, because the most recent studies suggest otherwise. :wink:

For example - there is an inherited form of deafness which is most common in modern Greek territories but which is of neolithic origin and hence traces of it can be used to track where ancient Greeks left their genes:

A 2009 study found the following:



Country ...... Region ................ Percentage 35delG Carrier Rates

Albania ........ Tirana .................................... 0
Bulgaria ....... Sophia ................................... 0
Greece ......................................................... 3.54
Greece ......... Athens ................................... 3.66
Greece ......... Crete ..................................... 5.36
Cyprus ......... south-geographical region .... 2.47
Cyprus .......... north-geographical region .... 0
Turkey .......... Ankara .................................. 0.40
Turkey .......... Istanbul ................................. 1.34



BTW, mem101 ... here's some evidence that this gene is considered to be an "ethnic marker":



Statistical study of 35delG mutation of GJB2 gene: A meta-analysis of carrier frequency
2009, Vol. 48, No. 6 , Pages 363-370
Nejat Mahdieh1,2† and Bahareh Rabbani1
1Genetics Department, School of Medicine, Tarbiat Modares University, Tehran, Iran

2Medical Genetics Group, Ilam University of Medical Sciences, Ilam, Iran


GJB2 mutations are major causes of autosomal recessive nonsyndromic hearing loss (ARNSHL) in many populations. However, a few mutations have an ethnic-specific background. We performed a review by means of a meta-analysis to evaluate the influence of the 35delG on ARNSHL. A PubMed, InterScience, British Library Direct, and Sciencedirect search using keywords ‘35delG’, ‘GJB2’ and ‘Connexin 26’ associated with ‘carrier frequency’ was carried out to include all papers from February 1998 to February 2008. 35delG carrier frequencies in 23187 random controls were analysed and categorized, corresponding with geographical boundaries, from all over the world. Mean carrier frequencies of 35delG mutation were found to be 1.89, 1.52, 0.64, 1, and 0.64 for European, American, Asian, Ocean, and African populations, respectively. We found that the average 35delG carrier frequency is highest in southern Europe and lowest in eastern Asia. The south-to-north European gradient in the carrier frequency of 35delG was confirmed and also a west-to-east Asian gradient is suggested. This study highlights the importance of establishing prevalence, based on the local population for screening and diagnostic programs of live births.



So, when the Ottoman Turks came to Cyprus a few centuries ago, the "Turkish Cypriots" they left behind did not have this mutation (since the Ottomans probably didn't either). Since these "Turkish Cypriots" remained separate from the indigenous (i.e. Greek) Cypriots, they never really acquired it.

In Modern Turkey, we can see that where the indigenous population is made up of peoples who had contact with Ancient Greeks (more prevalent in Istanbul/Constantinople than in Ankara), there are near/below average levels; but, none as high as in those of known continuously Greek inhabited regions (Cyprus, Crete, Athens). I think this also proves that Cyprus was and is ethnically Greek! :wink:
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