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[kurupetos]

apparently it was reported here that most occupybufferzone Cypriots are of a Turkish Cypriot background. I wonder why not many GC's have not gone? Interesting if we are numerically nearly ten times their population how come we'r e so overwhelmingly lower in numbers?

Because we're not stupid.

[repulsewarrior]

funny, in another thread it is claimed that there are too few Kibrislis left to reach out to them. the ratio of Turcophones who identify themselves as Cypriots is greater at the BOZ. it implies that many young people in the north do not stigmatise the debate as something between "Greeks" and "Turks". rather, they see the Problem to be an issue between the Intolerant who resist change, and the need for change in our thinking to get passed the impasse.

i have no explanation for the lack of Greek participants at this Occupation, however, i suspect that it has to do with their sense of need, being members of a very prosperous society, there is less incentive for them to demonstrate against the status quo.

[bill cobbett]

Erm on this "gc"/"tc" balance... you'll hear some scallywags claim it's a "tc" thing, others claiming it's a "gc" action... which might give us an indication that it is neither and that such claims are attempts to discredit the movement from the usual suspect nationalists. It's an action involving people who have moved far beyond the old tribal divisions and who identify themselves only as CYs.

Anyway, be that as it may, exciting news for Toffoui and RW, tomorrow there is an event to Green the Green Line with flower seeds...

More on this Radical Gardening event at... http://www.facebook.com/events/144492738995984/

[Viewpoint]

Did someone actually count the number of TCs and GCs?

[bill cobbett]

Did someone actually count the number of TCs and GCs?

Yes they have... just need to find the results of the census. Back in a mo...

[bill cobbett]

Did someone actually count the number of TCs and GCs?

Yes they have... just need to find the results of the census. Back in a mo...

Yes here it is...

"gc" .... 0%
"tc" .... 0%
CY .... 100%

[halil]

Do not forget to add Nigerian boys............ I'm guessing they are

[EricSeans]

Here's a nice picky for a quiet Sunday evening.

This is the Activity Centre in the Buffer Zone.

A reminder that it is in the ownership of the Kykko Monastery and that a few days ago the police of the Free Areas along with the Monastery tried to evict the Occupiers and doubtless we'll see more on this in the next few days,

... which is a shame cos as some of you will know Kykko has a very fine 1,000 year old tradition in the Liberation Struggle, right up to giving sanctuary and succour to the fighters of the '50s and also to Big Mak during his flight from the Greek Coupists of '74.

Really to be regretted that Kykko can't show the same support to this new way of fighting the Struggle, not by giving its leave cos Occupations and Protest don't need permissions but by giving its Blessing by way of taking no steps, to do nothing to hinder the action.

An UNFICYP spokeswoman once told me, on the record: "We encourage more and more people to move back into the Buffer Zone." This would lead to "normalisation" and confidence-building, she added.

If this is still official policy, why aren't they appearing to be more pro-active?

[Viewpoint]

Did someone actually count the number of TCs and GCs?

Yes they have... just need to find the results of the census. Back in a mo...

Yes here it is...

"gc" .... 0%
"tc" .... 0%
CY .... 100%

So how was it claimed that there were more TCs.

[bill cobbett]

Here's a nice picky for a quiet Sunday evening.

This is the Activity Centre in the Buffer Zone.

A reminder that it is in the ownership of the Kykko Monastery and that a few days ago the police of the Free Areas along with the Monastery tried to evict the Occupiers and doubtless we'll see more on this in the next few days,

... which is a shame cos as some of you will know Kykko has a very fine 1,000 year old tradition in the Liberation Struggle, right up to giving sanctuary and succour to the fighters of the '50s and also to Big Mak during his flight from the Greek Coupists of '74.

Really to be regretted that Kykko can't show the same support to this new way of fighting the Struggle, not by giving its leave cos Occupations and Protest don't need permissions but by giving its Blessing by way of taking no steps, to do nothing to hinder the action.

An UNFICYP spokeswoman once told me, on the record: "We encourage more and more people to move back into the Buffer Zone." This would lead to "normalisation" and confidence-building, she added.

If this is still official policy, why aren't they appearing to be more pro-active?

At a guess Eric and stress it's just a guess...there are mixed signals coming from UNFICYP... they seem to be tolerating the protest as long as it stays within a very small physical space but as soon as the occupiers step outside the limit, the UNPol work with others to bring it back within some limit. We saw a couple of things that may lead us to think this, in the matter of the generator that was pinched by the TA from outside the limit and in the matter of UNPol working with Kykko Monastery and the police of the Free Areas to try and end the occupation of the two buildings belonging to the Monastery.

Reminders also that there are some very bureaucratic guidelines for civilian use of the buffer zone and that at the heart of Occupations all over the World is a foundation principal that there is no need whatsoever to seek permission to protest. Indeed it's been central to occupations and mass trespasses going back to the 1930's that the protest is enhanced by the anarchic breaking or bending of the normal laws of property, trespass etc.

Also has to be said that the UN would prob like to see reconciliation events held within the UN compound over at the Lydra Palace by far more traditional groups in a nice and polite and controlled and contrived environment but naturally that venue with the formality that goes with it won't appeal to many young CYs.

Again... all the above just some guesses.