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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:59 am

Iran's three choices.............
by Kikapu » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Choice 1. Stop in trying to build nuclear weapons.

Choice 2. Continue trying in building nuclear weapons and get bombed by Israel.

Choice 3. Build nuclear weapons and get nuked by Israel.

Take your pick!

Israel will accept any of the above choices for Iran. There isn't a 4th choice!

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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Bananiot » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:40 am

Robin, the mere thought that a theocratic regime like that of Iran may acquire nuclear capabilities makes my hair stand on end.
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby halil » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:53 pm

Bananiot wrote:Robin, the mere thought that a theocratic regime like that of Iran may acquire nuclear capabilities makes my hair stand on end.


Dear Bananiot,
People are complains about Iran ...that Iran is going to have nuclear gun or guns...Why don't question themself first ? They all has nuclear guns and powers. They have rights to have but Iran can not have....no one can ask or judge their ones...it is not fair :!:
why they don't destroy their ones first before the Iran built up her one....they are not a danger to our world.What strange logic :!: Who is in Afghanistan or Irak today :?: who is trying to be boss of the world.who controls the oil or energy reservse of the world ? who sells the killing war machines to world? it is not the Iran.....
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:11 pm

Iran's three choices.............??????

by Kikapu » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Choice 1. Stop in trying to build nuclear weapons. ........by most accounts (UN/US/EU/IAEA and even Israel) they are not building nuclear weapons and couldn’t because they do not have the Uranium enriched to 85% (currently 20%) nor the technology fully developed to allow them to do so.

Choice 2. Continue trying in building nuclear weapons and get bombed by Israel.......they cannot continue to do something they were not doing in the first place.

An Israeli attack on Iran would be a clear and undeniable act of war which the Iranians ignored last time the Israelis bombed them but, this time it could spark major conflict. When the Israelis realise eventually that they can only lose a conventional war against Iran, a war they will have started, then they will use their nuclear weapons, no doubt fully justified by the USA or maybe even call in the US for assistance. I believe that in these circumstances Iran would merely be defending itself against an attack by a hostile power ........ that is not contrary to International law but, Israel’s actions would be.

Choice 3. Build nuclear weapons and get nuked by Israel........... hypothesis! Even the Israelis admit to two years to reach that point in weapon development and then just 4 warheads. But, all these rules seem only to apply to Iran, how has Israel managed to develop a nuclear capability (200+) and has been allowed to do so without the IAEA inspection USrael wants imposed on Iran, or are you saying Israel is a peaceful nation and has no intent invading or attacking neighbouring countries? This demonization of Iran seems an unjustified and a very biased, one sided argument when you compare the history of the two countries.

Your statements prove very clearly that the danger in the area is Israel not Iran.

Take your pick! .............. If I had to chose, I’ll go for #2 providing the Israelis Nukes are decommissioned and removed from the country and the US is prevented by UN SC resolutions from interfering ...... oh, I forgot, they have a habit of vetoing any resolutions that don’t suit them or the Israeli’s.

Israel will accept any of the above choices for Iran. There isn't a 4th choice!........... oh yes there is and it could not be more simple !!!!!

Choice 4. Israel decommissions all its current nuclear capability and agree to the same UNSC resolutions regarding enriching levels for Uranium as are applied to Iran.

In addition the Israelis are forced to sign the NNPT (Iran already has) and opens up to IAEA inspections. Failure to comply should justify imposing crippling economic sanctions on them. The sanctions should include a ban on the US supplying them with military equipment, spares parts and also the $8-$15million dollars a day they presently give them in ‘aid’ !!!!!

As a result Iran, and other countries in the region, would no longer have need to aspire to joining the nuclear club. I would also apply the same treatment to Pakistan/India and maybe eventually put all nuclear weapons out of use.
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:47 pm

Bananiot wrote:Robin, the mere thought that a theocratic regime like that of Iran may acquire nuclear capabilities makes my hair stand on end.

Whereas a “civilized” superpower like the US which has already dropped a few on Japan and has since invaded and occupied two dozen countries sweeping millions of souls in her path brings you great comfort? :lol:
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:51 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Iran's three choices.............
by Kikapu » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Choice 1. Stop in trying to build nuclear weapons.

Choice 2. Continue trying in building nuclear weapons and get bombed by Israel.

Choice 3. Build nuclear weapons and get nuked by Israel.

Take your pick!

Israel will accept any of the above choices for Iran. There isn't a 4th choice!

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I really don’t think so Kikapu! Israel is too small to do such a thing and survive the repercussions.
Which would come from multiple directions.
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:18 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Iran's three choices.............??????

by Kikapu » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Choice 1. Stop in trying to build nuclear weapons. ........by most accounts (UN/US/EU/IAEA and even Israel) they are not building nuclear weapons and couldn’t because they do not have the Uranium enriched to 85% (currently 20%) nor the technology fully developed to allow them to do so.

Choice 2. Continue trying in building nuclear weapons and get bombed by Israel.......they cannot continue to do something they were not doing in the first place.

An Israeli attack on Iran would be a clear and undeniable act of war which the Iranians ignored last time the Israelis bombed them but, this time it could spark major conflict. When the Israelis realise eventually that they can only lose a conventional war against Iran, a war they will have started, then they will use their nuclear weapons, no doubt fully justified by the USA or maybe even call in the US for assistance. I believe that in these circumstances Iran would merely be defending itself against an attack by a hostile power ........ that is not contrary to International law but, Israel’s actions would be.

Choice 3. Build nuclear weapons and get nuked by Israel........... hypothesis! Even the Israelis admit to two years to reach that point in weapon development and then just 4 warheads. But, all these rules seem only to apply to Iran, how has Israel managed to develop a nuclear capability (200+) and has been allowed to do so without the IAEA inspection USrael wants imposed on Iran, or are you saying Israel is a peaceful nation and has no intent invading or attacking neighbouring countries? This demonization of Iran seems an unjustified and a very biased, one sided argument when you compare the history of the two countries.

Your statements prove very clearly that the danger in the area is Israel not Iran.

Take your pick! .............. If I had to chose, I’ll go for #2 providing the Israelis Nukes are decommissioned and removed from the country and the US is prevented by UN SC resolutions from interfering ...... oh, I forgot, they have a habit of vetoing any resolutions that don’t suit them or the Israeli’s.

Israel will accept any of the above choices for Iran. There isn't a 4th choice!........... oh yes there is and it could not be more simple !!!!!

Choice 4. Israel decommissions all its current nuclear capability and agree to the same UNSC resolutions regarding enriching levels for Uranium as are applied to Iran.

In addition the Israelis are forced to sign the NNPT (Iran already has) and opens up to IAEA inspections. Failure to comply should justify imposing crippling economic sanctions on them. The sanctions should include a ban on the US supplying them with military equipment, spares parts and also the $8-$15million dollars a day they presently give them in ‘aid’ !!!!!

As a result Iran, and other countries in the region, would no longer have need to aspire to joining the nuclear club. I would also apply the same treatment to Pakistan/India and maybe eventually put all nuclear weapons out of use.


RH,

I appreciate your answers, but they will ALL fall on deaf ears, specially in the west. The fact that Iran has been threatening to wipe Israel off the map, is enough of a justification for Israel to defend itself in anyway she deems necessary. I'm sure Iran would not dare to nuke Israel, but just the threat alone will not be acceptable to Israel. Such potential threats from Iran towards Israel will promote further instability in the region, because you will then see every terrorist organisation will be empowered to attack Israel because they will have their "big brother" Iran with nuclear weapons to strike at Israel at any time if Israel pushes too hard against these terrorist groups. Look how many in the Arab world got very supportive of Turkey just by Erdogan saying he will use the Turkish Navy to destroy the Gaza blockade. Of course Erdogan backed down and that it was all talk and no action, but many terrorist organisations will not back down easily.

Have you not heard the phrases from the National Rifle Association (NRA), that "it is people who kill, and not the gun". I hate to go along with what the NRA says, but you cannot argue with the truthfulness in that statement. By having Nuclear weapons by anyone is bad enough, but when you have nutcases in Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map, then ALL bets are off as far as Israel is concerned. Israel will do what she need to do, and most of the west will go along with it, because Iran also has a lot of Oil & Gas, that will help a long way in the west forgiving Israel for attacking Iran, and hopefully if Iran became "Democratized" after the fact, then the west will benefit from Iran's natural resources too, as well as the average Iranian people. Welcome to "Iraq War II" again!
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Iran's three choices.............
by Kikapu » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 pm

Choice 1. Stop in trying to build nuclear weapons.

Choice 2. Continue trying in building nuclear weapons and get bombed by Israel.

Choice 3. Build nuclear weapons and get nuked by Israel.

Take your pick!

Israel will accept any of the above choices for Iran. There isn't a 4th choice!

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I really don’t think so Kikapu! Israel is too small to do such a thing and survive the repercussions.
Which would come from multiple directions.


What repercussions exactly, GR?
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:59 pm

Bananiot,

.............the mere thought that a theocratic regime like that of Iran may acquire nuclear capabilities makes my hair stand on end.


I can understand anybody who relies on the MSM for their information feeling that way but, as I have tried to explain, there is a difference between what you see or read and reality. I feel I can speak with some first hand knowledge as I lived in Iran for four years (1990-1994) so I feel I got to know the people to a fair degree. They are not a violent people but, their religion is a bit ‘in-your-face’ demonstrative and is the pivot of their daily lives. This could give the impression that they an excitable race if the information is orchestrated and presented in a certain way. It was once said to me by an Iranian engineer ‘In the Shah’s days we drank in public and prayed in private. Now we pray in public and drink in private.’ Their religion is extreme and highly expressive and they have to demonstrate that they are ‘good’ muslim’s. But some Christian religions are also extreme as well. Every US President finishes a speech with ‘God bless America.’ The Iranians (Muslims) finish with a roaring ovation of ‘God is great.’ I mean, it’s what ever turns you on I suppose?

Unlike the only nuclear power in the region Israel, Iran has no history at all of attacking any of the neighbouring countries for several hundred years. Their only war, was against Iraq from 1980 to 1988 and remember, Saddam started it on a nod from the USA and was supported in that war by the USA who provided not only weapons and munitions (including biological and chemical weapons)but also satellite and other intelligence.

But, just look at the track record for the terrible twins, US/Israel and you will get a very different impression to that you will ever see on TV or in the papers!

Israel has carried out attacks in its 64 years of existence, on:

Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Palestine and Gaza, Tunisia and Iran .............. and all were first strike to Israel but, there were other assets attacked (shipping and aircraft) belonging to Turkey and even their partner the USA, , but that was a ‘false flag’ incident the Americans don’t like to talk about!!!! (USS Liberty)

In addition they have carried out abductions, kidnappings, piracy and murders, world wide .... far too numerous to mention. In all, a death toll running into tens of thousands of men, women and children and all supported by the USA. Not bad going for a peace loving nation, eh????


The US history is even worse if you take their record of false flag operations, starting wars, invoking regime change, supporting terrorism and a whole host of covert operations .... like the Iran/Contra affair.

Since 1945 the countries the US has in some way attacked number over 50 and they are listed on this video, which in turn will show you just how democratic (Not) the US Government really is. The death toll attributable to US military action alone runs into hundreds of thousands, maybe into the millios, plus all their own casualties. But, you won’t see this mentioned in the MSM because it is not what they want the ‘sheeples’ to know, even the American people are kept in the dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTZmC9RJw1E&feature=related(some interviews are in Spanish with no sub titles but you will get the message anyway)

Israel has a Zionist Government which even many Jewish Israelis do not like and the US Government is very greatly influenced by a very powerful Zionist Lobby, (Neo-Cons) many of whom hold senior Government and Administrative posts so, to all intents and purposes, they share a ‘Management’ and both sing from the same Hymn sheet. All the information we are seeing on the MSM at the moment is regulated and/or from often unsubstanciated reports from Zionist sources and distributed through a Zionist controlled media machine and is specifically developed to paint Iran as a threat. A classic method of starting a conflict ...... create a threat ...... encourage fear in the population ............ and come up with a solution to ‘protect’ the people, which is often war.

By far the greatest threat to the Middle/Near East is the US and Israel and they are establishing their justification for a war, day by day, with more and more hype and distortion knowing full well the majority of the ‘sheeples’ will look no further and any that do can be ridiculed as conspiracy theorists. History shows time and time again that the conspiracy theorists have nearly always been right when the details all come out some years after the event.
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Schnauzer » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Kikapu wrote:

The fact that Iran has been threatening to wipe Israel off the map, is enough of a justification for Israel to defend itself in anyway she deems necessary.


I am greatly surprised to note that the above quote, (positively discredited as an outrageous misinterpretation by Western propagandists) should be once again mentioned as an excuse for whatever warlike intentions Israel (or others) might be contemplating in connection with Iran.

The "Wipe Israel off the Map" nonsense has been severally disproved, has been condemned as 'Propaganda' and has now surely been consigned to the same archives which contain the 'Lies' which triggered the 'Shock and Awe' assault upon the innocent nation of Iraq.

How sad that there are still those who are gullible enough to believe that such 'Proven' falsehoods, might be acceptable as certain fact. :roll:
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