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[Paphitis]

Israel can take care of business.

They will show the US how it's done.

[miltiades]

I do not feel threatened by Israel having nuclear weapons but I most certainly would feel threatened if Iran had them.
A theocratic regime that must not be allowed to ever possess NW. Its bad enough Pakistan having them but could not feel safe with a mullahs finger on the trigget.

[Londonrake]

what ever Iran does is a threat to World peace ....... but they ignore Israel's continuous threats to use their own nuclear weapons on Iran.

You're much more into this stuff than me of course. However, whilst I can find lots of references, over quite a long period, to Israeli threats of attacking Iran's nuclear development facilities, *** I haven't come across any saying they would do so using nuclear weapons***. On the contrary, there seems to be a total blackout on the subject in Israel. Whatever the perceived reality the official policy seems to be to neither deny nor confirm possession of nuclear weapons. So, I'd be interested in a link to those threats.


*** As always of course, there's no shortage of articles from "learned" people on "independent" sites speculating authoritatively on the subject.

Conversely, whilst Israeli threats seem to be almost exclusively about eliminating Iranian nuclear ambitions:

May 2012: In a speech to a defense gathering in Tehran, Iran's Military Chief of Staff declared: "The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel."

Aug 2012: Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, (a senior Iranian cleric) speaking about Qods Day, called for the annihilation of the "Zionist regime," emphasizing that the spread of the "Islamic Awakening" in the Middle East "heralds annihilation of the Zionist regime."

Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, who heads Iran's Passive Defense Organization, said ahead of Al-Quds Day that Israel must be destroyed, saying, "[Al-Quds Day] is a reflection of the fact that no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate the aggressive nature and to destroy Israel."

21 September 2012: At a military parade in Iran to mark the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War, and in which a new air defense system was unveiled, Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Iranian air force chief, said that should a conflict between Iran and Israel break out, Israel would "manage the beginning of the war, but the response and end would be in our hands, in which case the Zionist entity would cease to exist.

22 September 2012: General Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said that eventually a war with Israel would break out, during which Iran would eradicate Israel, which he referred to as a "cancerous tumour".

23 September 2012: Hajizadeh threatenS to attack Israel and trigger World War III, saying that "it is possible that we will make a pre-emptive attack" which would "turn into World War III." In the same statement, Hajizadeh threatened to attack American bases in the Middle East as well. Hajizadeh said that as a result of this attack, Israel would "sustain heavy damage and that will be a prelude to its obliteration."

Deputy Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Hossein Salami said that while Iran isn't concerned by Israeli "threats" to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, such an attack would be "a historic opportunity for the Islamic Revolution to wipe them off the world's geographic history."

2 October 2012, Hojjat al-Eslam Ali Shirazi, the representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the Iranian Qods Force, alleged that Iran required only "24 hours and an excuse" in order to eradicate Israel. Shirazi alleged that Israel was "close to annihilation."

March 2015: The commander of the Basij militia of Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that "erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable."

Etc, etc, etc.................................. up to:

21 April 2018: The head of the Iranian army on Saturday said Iranian forces were working to “annihilate” Israel and predicted they would achieve success within 25 years.

These aren't declarations of potential military objectives THEY'RE GENOCIDAL THREATS BY IMPORTANT IRANIAN OFFICIALS.

Until recently Israel and Iran were separated substantially geographically. Now though Iran is building a network of self-sustaining military bases across Syria. Some within kilometers of the border. They are on Israel's doorstep. Moreover, Iran created, funds, equips and trains Hezbollah. An army of 65,000 which boasts of possessing 150,000 rockets, some of which can reach the likes of Tel Aviv. Hezbollah's primary manifesto commitment is the elimination of the State of Israel. Iran also funds Hamas in Gaza. Another organisation with the same views.

I just wonder what you would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot and these were Israeli actions against Iran.

And who exactly is a threat to who?

Nevertheless - and just my view - Netanyahu is clearly trying to influence Trump's upcoming decision on the possible re-implementation of sanctions against Iran. Something else he campaigned on.

[Paphitis]

Yeh I would like to see evidence of Israel's Nuclear threat as well, considering the fact they have never admitted to having any.

[Robin Hood]

I do not feel threatened by Israel having nuclear weapons but I most certainly would feel threatened if Iran had them.
A theocratic regime that must not be allowed to ever possess NW. Its bad enough Pakistan having them but could not feel safe with a mullahs finger on the trigger.

You surprise me! Israel will only use nuclear weapons where they could affect us in Cyprus, if they implemented the Samson option. Iran has not attacked another country for over 300 years .... what makes you think they would chose that option now? Basically, all Netanyahu has said is old hat , it's all been said before and investigated .... result no threats to any other Nation found and no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons programme.

In the short existence of the JEWISH State of Israel,( is that theocratic ?), they have attacked every one of their neighbours from Egypt to Syria and have carried out assassinations around the World, including in Iran. When Iran had chemical weapons during the Iran/Iraq war it was Iraq that used them ..... the 'Mad Iranian Mullahs' forbade their use on religious grounds.

I cannot see where this 'Iranian Threat' concept comes from! They have some strict religious rules yes but so has Saudi and other Muslim States. What terrorist organisation is Iranian backed? Hezbollah? They may support them but the US supports dozens of terrorists groups and tyrants when it is to their advantage to do so but they appear to be only the good terrorists and 'kind and loving' tyrants. As I have said before, Hezbollah were created to counter the threat posed to Lebanon by Israel and Iran as a Muslim State helped form them..

The Israeli government set up was born of terrorists and the attempted and on going genocide of the Palestinians, they have treated Gaza just as the Nazi's treated the Jews in the Warsaw Ghettos ....... so angel faced they are not. Netanyahu is a war monger spoiling for a fight and he is trying to garner World support. He seems to be failing to do that .... thank goodness.

[Paphitis]

Oh dear, trouble in Paradise!

[Robin Hood]

what ever Iran does is a threat to World peace ....... but they ignore Israel's continuous threats to use their own nuclear weapons on Iran.

You're much more into this stuff than me of course. However, whilst I can find lots of references, over quite a long period, to Israeli threats of attacking Iran's nuclear development facilities, *** I haven't come across any saying they would do so using nuclear weapons***. On the contrary, there seems to be a total blackout on the subject in Israel. Whatever the perceived reality the official policy seems to be to neither deny nor confirm possession of nuclear weapons. So, I'd be interested in a link to those threats.

I am sure you are not that naïve! If Israel attacked Iran without the use of nuclear weapons they would almost certainly lose. They would not do it without US backing and that would almost certainly bring Russia and China into the fray and they would again lose. If they were pushed to the point of backs against the wall, they would use Nukes, chemical and biological weapons ...... that's the Samson option .... We go, We take you all with us. A similar approach to Putin's ..... "What is Earth without a Mother Russia?".

Iran is a very difficult country to have a war in , it is nearly all (at least between the Gulf and Teheran) all bloody great mountains, thousands of small villages and very deep river valleys. No good for special forces or fast jets, or even cruise missiles.


*** As always of course, there's no shortage of articles from "learned" people on "independent" sites speculating authoritatively on the subject.

That is not true, independent views via search engines are getting more difficult to locate ..... they are getting pushed out of the search engines by people like Google and are getting increasingly more difficult to find. So before long, those that don't know where the independent news is available will all be brain washed into believing just what their handlers want them to believe That should make more wars and conflict an odds-on certainty.

Conversely, whilst Israeli threats seem to be almost exclusively about eliminating Iranian nuclear ambitions:

They don't have any!

May 2012: In a speech to a defense gathering in Tehran, Iran's Military Chief of Staff declared: "The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel."

Aug 2012: Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, (a senior Iranian cleric) speaking about Qods Day, called for the annihilation of the "Zionist regime," emphasizing that the spread of the "Islamic Awakening" in the Middle East "heralds annihilation of the Zionist regime."

Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, who heads Iran's Passive Defense Organization, said ahead of Al-Quds Day that Israel must be destroyed, saying, "[Al-Quds Day] is a reflection of the fact that no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate the aggressive nature and to destroy Israel."

21 September 2012: At a military parade in Iran to mark the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War, and in which a new air defense system was unveiled, Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Iranian air force chief, said that should a conflict between Iran and Israel break out, Israel would "manage the beginning of the war, but the response and end would be in our hands, in which case the Zionist entity would cease to exist.

22 September 2012: General Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said that eventually a war with Israel would break out, during which Iran would eradicate Israel, which he referred to as a "cancerous tumour".

23 September 2012: Hajizadeh threatenS to attack Israel and trigger World War III, saying that "it is possible that we will make a pre-emptive attack" which would "turn into World War III." In the same statement, Hajizadeh threatened to attack American bases in the Middle East as well. Hajizadeh said that as a result of this attack, Israel would "sustain heavy damage and that will be a prelude to its obliteration."

Deputy Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Hossein Salami said that while Iran isn't concerned by Israeli "threats" to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, such an attack would be "a historic opportunity for the Islamic Revolution to wipe them off the world's geographic history."

2 October 2012, Hojjat al-Eslam Ali Shirazi, the representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the Iranian Qods Force, alleged that Iran required only "24 hours and an excuse" in order to eradicate Israel. Shirazi alleged that Israel was "close to annihilation."

March 2015: The commander of the Basij militia of Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that "erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable."

Etc, etc, etc.................................. up to:



21 April 2018: The head of the Iranian army on Saturday said Iranian forces were working to “annihilate” Israel and predicted they would achieve success within 25 years.

These aren't declarations of potential military objectives THEY'RE GENOCIDAL THREATS BY IMPORTANT IRANIAN OFFICIALS.

Couldn't be bothered to read all that!

Until recently Israel and Iran were separated substantially geographically. Now though Iran is building a network of self-sustaining military bases across Syria. Some within kilometers of the border. They are on Israel's doorstep. Moreover, Iran created, funds, equips and trains Hezbollah. An army of 65,000 which boasts of possessing 150,000 rockets, some of which can reach the likes of Tel Aviv. Hezbollah's primary manifesto commitment is the elimination of the State of Israel. Iran also funds Hamas in Gaza. Another organisation with the same views

You mean, Iran has been invited into Syria to support the 'ASSAD' regime and to set up a defence against the Israeli regimes aggression ..... just like the NATO regime does on Russia's borders against their 'aggression'?.

I just wonder what you would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot and these were Israeli actions against Iran.

........or Syria or Lebanon or against the Palestinians etc ..... well it certainly would not please me unless they started it .... which I don't think is the case. Netanyahu cries wolf and you believe his tales of threats ...... the ONLY nuclear power in the region that spends more on offensive armaments than all the other countries in the region put together ..... and THEY are threatened?

And who exactly is a threat to who?

Exactly!

Nevertheless - and just my view - Netanyahu is clearly trying to influence Trump's upcoming decision on the possible re-implementation of sanctions against Iran. Something else he campaigned on.

As I said Netanyahu is spoiling for a war with Iran but is shit scared of doing it n his own. Like all bullies he needs his big brother and all his mates to protect him!

But it would appear that all the other signatories to this agreement and most Nations, are opposed to his plan ..... except Israel of course.

[miltiades]

Islam, inspite of being a .....religion of peace , it is also committed to the destruction of Israel. I say Islam since all of Israel's neighbouring countries are Islamic. Iran most that the rest. We know allready that a very large number of this " mythological " religion, just like all other religions, followers are prepared to kill and be killed in the belief that Allah would welcome them with wide open arms and present them with their ...rewards. Any sect, mythological religion , ideological adherence that believes in such ludicrous and dangerous ideological concepts can not be allowed to develop weapons of utter and complete destruction because THEY will use them. Iran must not be allowed to possess the ultimate weapon.
Israel is surrounded by enemies many times its size, it has to defend it self at the same time it must recognize the legitimate rights of the Palestinians.

[Paphitis]

Islam, inspite of being a .....religion of peace , it is also committed to the destruction of Israel. I say Islam since all of Israel's neighbouring countries are Islamic. Iran most that the rest. We know allready that a very large number of this " mythological " religion, just like all other religions, followers are prepared to kill and be killed in the belief that Allah would welcome them with wide open arms and present them with their ...rewards. Any sect, mythological religion , ideological adherence that believes in such ludicrous and dangerous ideological concepts can not be allowed to develop weapons of utter and complete destruction because THEY will use them. Iran must not be allowed to possess the ultimate weapon.
Israel is surrounded by enemies many times its size, it has to defend it self at the same time it must recognize the legitimate rights of the Palestinians.

But you are a supporter of Assad and Hezbollah!

make up your mind!

[Zenon33]

Iran thread was a mistake and now seems dead.