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by **Paphitis** » Thu May 03, 2018 12:57 am

Schnauzer wrote:
I failed to answer the question you posed initially (Re:~ Palestinians) and would suggest that whatever those folk chose to do in their own lands (if they were ever able to reclaim them) would be a matter entirely up to themselves.

Far too much killing going on at the moment, perhaps a bit of shepherding and olive growing might not be such a bad idea though, those were the days eh?.

It's not their land anymore. The State of Israel was legally created after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

There are clear 1967 borders which the Israelis are willing to negotiate to (with the exception of The Golan Heights). The Golan Heights will never be returned to the Assad Regime under any circumstances EVER!

As for the Palestinians, they have rights as Israeli Citizens but if they are unhappy with that, they can live in Jordan. They have plenty of room.

by **Robin Hood** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:45 am

Paphitis:

Their objectives are to defend The State of Israel. Nothing more than that.

From whom? Name one country that has attacked Israel in the last 50 years? Name the countries Israel has attacked in the last 50 years? Can you see the problem I am having with your authoritative statement? :roll:

The thing is, if others stop provoking them, they would not do anything. But because they are continuously threatened with annihilation, they will do whatever they can to protect themselves.

Again, name one country that has provoked Israel in the last 50 years? So Iran having a legal presence in Syria to help the elected Syrian government defeat the thousands of terrorist insurgents that Israel and the US have trained/funded/armed and otherwise supported, you consider a provocation and a threat to Israel? But if Russia does the same under the threat of NATO aggression right on their western border .... that, in your book is Russian aggression? Can you see the problem I am again having with your authoritative statement? :roll:

As for the holocaust. It was a significant part of human history not just for the Jews, but also for political prisoners, Poles, the Handicapped and mentally ill, and homosexual people. Millions of them were exterminated in Death factories on an unprecedented scale. It's a very important part of history that can't be forgotten lest humanity proceed down that same cruel road.

But the lesson learned from that historic event has been forgotten and by those that claim to be its victims. The Holocaust is certainly an important part of the history of man’s inhumanity to man ..... and it is obvious that those whose existence today is reliant on those events are repeating them in almost every detail to this very day. But to question Israel's treatment of the Palestinians over the last 70 years, is classified as being anti-Semitic, as it is counter productive to the sympathy Israel garners from those events to justify its claim to need an overwhelming military defence from their enemies.

Fact or Fiction? ..... my guess, almost definitely a FACT!

Israel Seems To Be Preparing For War With Iran, U.S. Officials Say - By Courtney Kube

An Israeli airstrike that killed and wounded dozens of Iranians at a Syrian base is the latest sign of escalating conflict.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49346.htm

Now, remind me again who is the aggressor here? :?:

by **Paphitis** » Thu May 03, 2018 7:01 am

Fine then, let's put this to the test.

get Iran to apologize for ll the threats of annihilation against Israel, recognize its Statehood and enter into negotiations over the withdrawal of Hezbollah!

If Iran is not willing to do that, then Israel has no choice but to take Iran as a legitimate threat and do whatever is necessary to defend The State of Israel.

It is Iran that is threatening Israel and Israel will naturally defend itself.

by **Robin Hood** » Thu May 03, 2018 7:06 am

Paphitis:

It's not their land anymore. The State of Israel was legally created after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

The State of Israel was created by a unilateral declaration in 1948 and the first country to recognise this new state was ..... the USA and within a couple of hours. What followed then is recorded history. They ignored a UN agreed division of lands in Palestine and took just what they wanted. They have continued to follow this path to the present day .... all against International law of course. :roll:

There are clear 1967 borders which the Israelis are willing to negotiate to (with the exception of The Golan Heights). The Golan Heights will never be returned to the Assad Regime under any circumstances EVER!

Israel has no clearly defined borders in Law, they take what they want, when they want it .... that is a fact. They are illegal occupiers of most of Palestine and this is recognised by the UN. The Golan Heights is Syrian! Again Israeli annexation is recognised by no one ... except maybe the US. But you don’t recognise Crimea’s choice to be annexed by Russia as legitimate, even though the Crimean’s democratically applied their right to self determination under the UN Charter? Once again, I have difficulty coming to terms with your application of blatant dual standards. :roll:

As for the Palestinians, they have rights as Israeli Citizens but if they are unhappy with that, they can live in Jordan. They have plenty of room.

That is your concept of democracy is it? If you don’t like it here f**k off and go somewhere else....... like Australia ....... they have got plenty of room! :roll:

by **Robin Hood** » Thu May 03, 2018 7:18 am

Paphitis wrote:Fine then, let's put this to the test.

get Iran to apologize for ll the threats of annihilation against Israel, recognize its Statehood and enter into negotiations over the withdrawal of Hezbollah!

If Iran is not willing to do that, then Israel has no choice but to take Iran as a legitimate threat and do whatever is necessary to defend The State of Israel.

It is Iran that is threatening Israel and Israel will naturally defend itself.

You again avoid answering any question put to you or make any sensible response. Try comparing the history of Iranian aggression and Israel aggression ..... I repeat ..... WHO is the aggressor here? :roll:

You sound more like your mate LondonRake every day .... he is well into this people having to 'apologise' to him for perceived wrongs or for having views he does not approve of without meeting his demands for absolute proof beyond all reasonable doubt ........ but then only acceptable if it is from sources he approves of !

by **Paphitis** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:58 am

There is only one question to answer! The rest is irrelevant.

Is Iran willing to apologize for all the threats against the State of Israel, withdraw Hezbollah and sign a peace agreement with Israel and recognize its existence?

Israel just doesn't invade placed willy-nilly. It has just defended itself from continuous attack and threats.

If it wanted to invade someone, I am sure Cyprus would have been some easy low lying fruit but they are not interested and Cyprus hasn't done anything to them or posed any threat.

by **Robin Hood** » Thu May 03, 2018 5:32 pm

Paphitis wrote:There is only one question to answer! The rest is irrelevant.

Is Iran willing to apologize for all the threats against the State of Israel, withdraw Hezbollah and sign a peace agreement with Israel and recognize its existence?

Israel just doesn't invade placed willy-nilly. It has just defended itself from continuous attack and threats.

If it wanted to invade someone, I am sure Cyprus would have been some easy low lying fruit but they are not interested and Cyprus hasn't done anything to them or posed any threat.

Well .... that sounds like a well researched and informed opinion :roll:

.... or maybe not? :lol:

Again you don't answer previous questions you just add more. You sound just like LR, he demands public apologies but never makes any himself! So, why should Iran apologise, don't you think that the Israeli's have many things to apologise to Iran for, like funding MEK terrorism in Iran or recently killing Iranian troops in another sovereign state who were no real threat to them? When was the last Iranian attack on Israel or the last Israeli soldier killed by Iran?

The BIG problem for Israel and the US is that Iran is gaining influence in the region ..... and they don't like it, so they think to create a non- existent threat and destroy them will be the solution! Quiet diplomacy is not something the US or Israel is very accomplished at. :roll:

by **Paphitis** » Thu May 03, 2018 5:47 pm

No opinion. You keep saying that Israel is the aggressor in the entire region but that is not the case at all.

The Israelis are just reacting to the bad neighbourhood. Every bit of land they took after 1967 was as a result of a war that was started by others to take them out. Thankfully for the israelis, they were not taken out and in fact, the Israelis had won decisive victories.

At one point they even took The Sinai, but they handed that back to Egypt in 1980 with a Peace Treaty.

The Israelis have a right to defend themselves, and they haveno=t bothered anyone that hasn't bothered them.

You are going to have to get used to Israel I am afraid.

by **Robin Hood** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:No opinion. You keep saying that Israel is the aggressor in the entire region but that is not the case at all.

So prove me wrong ....... just answer the damn questions ........ who is the aggressor? Please provide a reasonably credible source as confirmation of your reply.

The Israelis are just reacting to the bad neighbourhood. Every bit of land they took after 1967 was as a result of a war that was started by others to take them out. Thankfully for the israelis, they were not taken out and in fact, the Israelis had won decisive victories.

Wrong! There has never been an attack on any piece of land that is recognised as part of Israel.

At one point they even took The Sinai, but they handed that back to Egypt in 1980 with a Peace Treaty.

The US told them to hand it back .... or else!

The Israelis have a right to defend themselves, and they haveno=t bothered anyone that hasn't bothered them.

Of course they do, just like Syria, Lebanon and Iran have the same right. Answer the question ..... when was the last time Israel was attacked by any of these countries ..... and how many times has Israel attacked them, claiming the right to pre-emptive self defence?

You are going to have to get used to Israel I am afraid.

Personally, I think they are probably going to provoke their own demise and will take a lot of us with them. If they attack Iran with Nukes they will become a World pariah and even the US will be forced to abandon them and the Arab world will make their worst nightmare come true .......... they will wipe them out.