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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun May 13, 2018 9:16 pm

Londonrake wrote: Israel has certainly threatened to hit the peace loving Republic of Iran's entirely peaceful efforts to enrich Plutonium beyond the 3% required for peaceful uses to the level needed for weapons grade. I entirely agree.


So why would you disagree with iran's threat to hit the peace loving israel that peacefully possesses 200+ nukes ready to be used anytime it chooses??
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Londonrake » Sun May 13, 2018 9:35 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote: Israel has certainly threatened to hit the peace loving Republic of Iran's entirely peaceful efforts to enrich Plutonium beyond the 3% required for peaceful uses to the level needed for weapons grade. I entirely agree.


So why would you disagree with iran's threat to hit the peace loving israel that peacefully possesses 200+ nukes ready to be used anytime it chooses??


What's your point?

Which countries in the past 73 years that posses them have threatened to use nuclear weapons against an opponent? The nutcase NK not admissible.

Where has Israel threatened to annihilate Iran? Apparently threats to do such to Israel from Iran are inadmissible.

May 2012: In a speech to a defense gathering in Tehran, Iran's Military Chief of Staff declared: "The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel."

Aug 2012: Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, (a senior Iranian cleric) speaking about Qods Day, called for the annihilation of the "Zionist regime," emphasizing that the spread of the "Islamic Awakening" in the Middle East "heralds annihilation of the Zionist regime."

Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, who heads Iran's Passive Defense Organization, said ahead of Al-Quds Day that Israel must be destroyed, saying, "[Al-Quds Day] is a reflection of the fact that no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate the aggressive nature and to destroy Israel."

21 September 2012: At a military parade in Iran to mark the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War, and in which a new air defense system was unveiled, Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Iranian air force chief, said that should a conflict between Iran and Israel break out, Israel would "manage the beginning of the war, but the response and end would be in our hands, in which case the Zionist entity would cease to exist.

22 September 2012: General Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said that eventually a war with Israel would break out, during which Iran would eradicate Israel, which he referred to as a "cancerous tumour".

23 September 2012: Hajizadeh threatenS to attack Israel and trigger World War III, saying that "it is possible that we will make a pre-emptive attack" which would "turn into World War III." In the same statement, Hajizadeh threatened to attack American bases in the Middle East as well. Hajizadeh said that as a result of this attack, Israel would "sustain heavy damage and that will be a prelude to its obliteration."

Deputy Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Hossein Salami said that while Iran isn't concerned by Israeli "threats" to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, such an attack would be "a historic opportunity for the Islamic Revolution to wipe them off the world's geographic history."

2 October 2012, Hojjat al-Eslam Ali Shirazi, the representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the Iranian Qods Force, alleged that Iran required only "24 hours and an excuse" in order to eradicate Israel. Shirazi alleged that Israel was "close to annihilation."

March 2015: The commander of the Basij militia of Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that "erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable.


I hope that, like RH, that's not too much (aka inconvenient truths) for you.

Iran are trying to establish military bases on the Israeli border in Iraq.

Let me ask you a question. What's your favourite idea for a solution to the Israel problem?
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Re: The impending war against Iran thread

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun May 13, 2018 11:24 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote: Israel has certainly threatened to hit the peace loving Republic of Iran's entirely peaceful efforts to enrich Plutonium beyond the 3% required for peaceful uses to the level needed for weapons grade. I entirely agree.


So why would you disagree with iran's threat to hit the peace loving israel that peacefully possesses 200+ nukes ready to be used anytime it chooses??


What's your point?

Which countries in the past 73 years that posses them have threatened to use nuclear weapons against an opponent? The nutcase NK not admissible.

Where has Israel threatened to annihilate Iran? Apparently threats to do such to Israel from Iran are inadmissible.

May 2012: In a speech to a defense gathering in Tehran, Iran's Military Chief of Staff declared: "The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel."

Aug 2012: Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, (a senior Iranian cleric) speaking about Qods Day, called for the annihilation of the "Zionist regime," emphasizing that the spread of the "Islamic Awakening" in the Middle East "heralds annihilation of the Zionist regime."

Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, who heads Iran's Passive Defense Organization, said ahead of Al-Quds Day that Israel must be destroyed, saying, "[Al-Quds Day] is a reflection of the fact that no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate the aggressive nature and to destroy Israel."

21 September 2012: At a military parade in Iran to mark the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War, and in which a new air defense system was unveiled, Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Iranian air force chief, said that should a conflict between Iran and Israel break out, Israel would "manage the beginning of the war, but the response and end would be in our hands, in which case the Zionist entity would cease to exist.

22 September 2012: General Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said that eventually a war with Israel would break out, during which Iran would eradicate Israel, which he referred to as a "cancerous tumour".

23 September 2012: Hajizadeh threatenS to attack Israel and trigger World War III, saying that "it is possible that we will make a pre-emptive attack" which would "turn into World War III." In the same statement, Hajizadeh threatened to attack American bases in the Middle East as well. Hajizadeh said that as a result of this attack, Israel would "sustain heavy damage and that will be a prelude to its obliteration."

Deputy Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Hossein Salami said that while Iran isn't concerned by Israeli "threats" to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, such an attack would be "a historic opportunity for the Islamic Revolution to wipe them off the world's geographic history."

2 October 2012, Hojjat al-Eslam Ali Shirazi, the representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the Iranian Qods Force, alleged that Iran required only "24 hours and an excuse" in order to eradicate Israel. Shirazi alleged that Israel was "close to annihilation."

March 2015: The commander of the Basij militia of Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that "erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable.


I hope that, like RH, that's not too much (aka inconvenient truths) for you.

Iran are trying to establish military bases on the Israeli border in Iraq.

Let me ask you a question. What's your favourite idea for a solution to the Israel problem?


My point is that Israel already possesses nukes and threatens to attack Iran that doesn't have any, on the excuse that it might possibly construct them 10 years down the road. Who gave the right to Israel to attack anything in Iran on the pretext that it violates the agreement on the use of nuclear power for peaceful purposes when Israel itself never signed any agreement for the control of nuclear weapons on the first place?

Possessing nuclear weapons guarantees that a nation will never be defeated. It doesn't guarantee that those who possess them are responsible as you seem to assume just because they never used it in the last 73 years! .The possibility of anyone start using them is always there and such an action will destroy the whole planet.

Let's for a moment assume that Iran actually possesses nuclear weapons. How could it ever be possible to wipe Israel off the map using nukes when the whole region will be contaminated and millions of people mainly Arabs will die as well and Iran itself will be nuked in retaliation. It's simply not realistic.

Israel hasn't threatened to annihilate Iran. It's problems with Iran can be solved without the need to annihilate it. However Iran's problems (which presumably acts as a protector of the Palestinians) with Israel can only be solved by annihilating Israel. They said that 100s of times .. Question is how are they going to do that? They claim they have a 25 year plan of collapsing Israel. I doubt they have a plan that has reasonable chances. So imo these are only words with no real value.

Now it’s up to you now to tell me how these verbal threats will ever possibly become real. At the same time try to convince me that Israel's verbal threats that they will attack Iran's installations because presumably it prepares their annihilation via nukes will NOT become real . The whole point here is not who threatens who and for what. The problem is which of the two CAN and WILL turn his verbal threats into action

Imo there no solution to the problem.
Today only one state exists in the whole region: Israel. One government, one electricity system, one water system, one highway grid, one army (the IDF) controls it, one currency (the Israeli shekel). The Palestinians will gradually be eradicated or forced to leave. Those who will stay will be converted to Arab Jews Only a miracle could save them. It’s been too late already.

Now if you are asking me what the correct solution should have been right from the start I already gave a few glimpses. The Jews in Palestine had absolutely no right to self determination whatsoever. Furthermore they were an 8% minority the vast majority of only a few years historical presence, with some 12% private land ownership.
(i can backup my data from reliable sources)
Therefore the solution right from the start after the British have abandoned their mandate should have been for a Palestinian state where the Jews would only have minority rights.
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