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[Robin Hood]

Good response by the USA.

Why on earth would they grant Iranian Diplomats a VISA to the USA.

We don't allow them in Australia either. We have strict embargoes on Iran.

They harass our ships which is even worse then some random guy who has a misdemeanor as they are also refused a VISA.

I was under the impression that anyone coming to the USA for the purpose of UN affairs are given visas automatically, providing they comply with their travel restriction within the USA, should they have that imposed on them.

Every country in the world is free to not grant diplomats or leaders from other countries a VISA.

I remember Australia was close to not granting Pootin a VISA to come to Australia.

I am not talking about any other country and their visa policies. I am talking about the USA only because the UN is based there for any country wanting to come and address the assembly.

Sure I know what you meant.

But they still have to enter the USA, and the USA is under no obligation to let them into their country if they deem Iran is responsible for terrorist activities against western and US interests.

If they want to talk at the UN, they can do a conference call. But don't expect representatives from USA, Israel, Australia, UK, Canada or NZ to remain in their seats. They will WALK OUT.

We do not have to listen to them or acknowledge them at all, and we have done this before.

Iran has run their dash with us, and the ball is firmly in their court.

You have the same naive and juvenile attitude as the Trump/Pompeo Mafia! It is a guaranteed way of preventing the facts from getting to the audience!

This is just what happens with reports going to press, what is presented to people like you, is what your ‘handlers’ want you to know ...... that is why those that rely only on the MSM controlled news sources that tell them only what they want them to know, are so badly informed.

If the US is to decide who can and who cannot attend the UN to put their countries arguments to the rest of the World in a public and neutral forum, without US interference, then it is about time the UN was relocated to a neutral country to make it a truly neutral organisation. It is not the first time the US has done this

Quote:

But U.N. legal experts question whether Pompeo has the legal authority to bar the Iranians.

“Any foreign minister is entitled to address the Security Council at any time and the United States is obligated to provide access to the U.N. headquarters district,” said Larry Johnson, a former U.N. assistant secretary-general. Under the terms of the U.S. agreement with the United Nations, “..........they are absolutely obligated to let him in.”

As previously posted ....... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52814.htm

[Robin Hood]

An update from MoA ..... including the crash of the Boeing 737.

Iran's Missile Launch Against Two U.S. Bases in Iraq Calls Trump's Bluff

The Swiss embassy in Tehran, which represents the U.S., was warned at least one hour before the attack happened. Around 0:00 UTC the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) which prohibited civil U.S. flights over Iraq, Iran, the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman.

This attack was the "open" and "proportional" response for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani which Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei had promised. It will certainly not be the only response but represents the opening shot of a long and much more silent campaign to kick the U.S. out of the Middle East.

and

Hours after Iran had launched the missiles a Ukrainian airliner crashed three minutes after it had taken off from Tehran airport. All 176 people on board died. The passengers were mostly from Iran, Canada and the Ukraine. The airplane was a three years old Boeing 737-800 NG operated by Ukrainian International Airlines, the country's flag carrier. Video shows the burning airliner coming down on a glide path. Photos from the crash side show shrapnel like impacts on the fuselage. The evidence is consistent with an uncontained turbine disc rupture but other potential causes can no be ruled out. The incident will be investigated like all other airliner crashes.

Full article .......

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/irans-missile-launch-against-two-us-bases-in-iraq-calls-trumps-bluff.html#more

[Londonrake]

An update from MoA ..... including the crash of the Boeing 737.

Iran's Missile Launch Against Two U.S. Bases in Iraq Calls Trump's Bluff

The Swiss embassy in Tehran, which represents the U.S., was warned at least one hour before the attack happened. Around 0:00 UTC the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) which prohibited civil U.S. flights over Iraq, Iran, the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman.

This attack was the "open" and "proportional" response for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani which Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei had promised. It will certainly not be the only response but represents the opening shot of a long and much more silent campaign to kick the U.S. out of the Middle East.

and

Hours after Iran had launched the missiles a Ukrainian airliner crashed three minutes after it had taken off from Tehran airport. All 176 people on board died. The passengers were mostly from Iran, Canada and the Ukraine. The airplane was a three years old Boeing 737-800 NG operated by Ukrainian International Airlines, the country's flag carrier. Video shows the burning airliner coming down on a glide path. Photos from the crash side show shrapnel like impacts on the fuselage. The evidence is consistent with an uncontained turbine disc rupture but other potential causes can no be ruled out. The incident will be investigated like all other airliner crashes.

Full article .......

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/irans-missile-launch-against-two-us-bases-in-iraq-calls-trumps-bluff.html#more

I doubt you got as far as this:

"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations.

The U.S. attack:

Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.
The Iranian retribution:

Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.
The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it."

[Paphitis]

Good response by the USA.

Why on earth would they grant Iranian Diplomats a VISA to the USA.

We don't allow them in Australia either. We have strict embargoes on Iran.

They harass our ships which is even worse then some random guy who has a misdemeanor as they are also refused a VISA.

I was under the impression that anyone coming to the USA for the purpose of UN affairs are given visas automatically, providing they comply with their travel restriction within the USA, should they have that imposed on them.

Every country in the world is free to not grant diplomats or leaders from other countries a VISA.

I remember Australia was close to not granting Pootin a VISA to come to Australia.

I am not talking about any other country and their visa policies. I am talking about the USA only because the UN is based there for any country wanting to come and address the assembly.

Sure I know what you meant.

But they still have to enter the USA, and the USA is under no obligation to let them into their country if they deem Iran is responsible for terrorist activities against western and US interests.

If they want to talk at the UN, they can do a conference call. But don't expect representatives from USA, Israel, Australia, UK, Canada or NZ to remain in their seats. They will WALK OUT.

We do not have to listen to them or acknowledge them at all, and we have done this before.

Iran has run their dash with us, and the ball is firmly in their court.

You have the same naive and juvenile attitude as the Trump/Pompeo Mafia! It is a guaranteed way of preventing the facts from getting to the audience!

This is just what happens with reports going to press, what is presented to people like you, is what your ‘handlers’ want you to know ...... that is why those that rely only on the MSM controlled news sources that tell them only what they want them to know, are so badly informed.

If the US is to decide who can and who cannot attend the UN to put their countries arguments to the rest of the World in a public and neutral forum, without US interference, then it is about time the UN was relocated to a neutral country to make it a truly neutral organisation. It is not the first time the US has done this

Quote:

But U.N. legal experts question whether Pompeo has the legal authority to bar the Iranians.

“Any foreign minister is entitled to address the Security Council at any time and the United States is obligated to provide access to the U.N. headquarters district,” said Larry Johnson, a former U.N. assistant secretary-general. Under the terms of the U.S. agreement with the United Nations, “..........they are absolutely obligated to let him in.”

As previously posted ....... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52814.htm

We know what is going on and we certainly don't need any press to tell us when our Navy is saying that the Iranians have been contacting all Western Shipping to change course in order to steer them into Iranian Waters.

Only to have the transmission intercepted and responded to by our warships telling them the Ship is in international waters and will maintain course and remain in international waters and for the Iranian Navy to reveal their intentions on whether they will impede the ship or not so they can resp[ond by sinking the Iranian Patrol Boat.

It is up to the USA, to let these criminals in or not.

That idiot can question all he likes. It's still US territory, and the US has the right to deny entry to any foreigners, especially from countries they may go to war with.

Nothing anyone can do about it. We can send a text if you want? Soleimani was a fan of SMS.

[repulsewarrior]

...in Iran he is mourned as a great fighter of ISIS.

Iranians are puzzled because by his death, at this moment in time with the government in its weakened state, his murder in such a way, has only served to unite all Iranians against Trump (and the America he represents), strengthening the government's hand, in affect weakening the People's hand.

While Soleimani may represent the worst, as a brutal man, he did represent as well the Statesman diplomatically speaking Iranians as a People had hope in, that he could redirect hostilities to Peace. Example his venture to Japan a few months ago, a(the) go between in talks with the USA.

...while it seems that the regime in Iran has taken a softer tone in their immediate reaction, it is to be expected: as a rational choice. Soleimani's death is not so easily resolved Historically speaking however. It is notable that the "red flag" flies, as it has never flown before; i recall that revenge is best served cold.

[Paphitis]

...in Iran he is mourned as a great fighter of ISIS.

Iranians are puzzled because by his death, at this moment in time with the government in its weakened state, his murder in such a way, has only served to unite all Iranians against Trump (and the America he represents), strengthening the government's hand, in affect weakening the People's hand.

While Soleimani may represent the worst, as a brutal man, he did represent as well the Statesman diplomatically speaking Iranians as a People had hope in, that he could redirect hostilities to Peace. Example his venture to Japan a few months ago, a(the) go between in talks with the USA.

...while it seems that the regime in Iran has taken a softer tone in their immediate reaction, it is to be expected: as a rational choice. Soleimani's death is not so easily resolved Historically speaking however. It is notable that the "red flag" flies, as it has never flown before; i recall that revenge is best served cold.

Iran isn't as united as you think.

The regime and Soleimani have MANY enemies from within the Iranian masses. In particular, the educated and secular elites do not care for the regime or Soleimani. They are more likely to be celebrating the assassination of Soleimani but behind closed doors and in privacy.

They would be more on side with the Americans and Trump than you would seem to think. There are millions of Iranians in that category, but you can't expect them to get vocal about it for obvious reasons.

So Iran is definitely split. Put it this way. let's say the US invaded Iran. Millions of Iranians would not be against the Americans. Division is definitely their weakness.

I have seen this with every Iranian I have spoken to in Australia. They generally feel appalled and disgusted about their Government. They do not for one second believe their regime is particularly nice. Why? Well many of the educated elites are disgusted with Sharia and public executions and they are even against the death penalty. They also do not believe they have true democracy, have social freedom, freedom of the press and they also believe they lack Human Rights we enjoy in the West.

It's the same situation in Turkey. The educated elites, military (Turkish Military has a tradition of Secularism and consider themselves to be defenders of Kemalism hence the last Coup) and white collar professionals are not generally supportive of Erdogan. It's the Anatolian Gypsies, and religious fanatics who support Erdogan.

[repulsewarrior]

...for the record,



NATO, he, Trump, asks for their attention.

[Robin Hood]

Londonrake:

I doubt you got as far as this:

"There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations ..... then you to express an opinion to relate Iran Air 655 ..... to Pan Am 103 as Iranian retribution ...... and that as an obvious suggestion that being a likely reason for the destruction of the Ukraine airliner in Tehran!

Are you suggesting that the Iranians shot down or otherwise destroyed, a Ukraine commercial airliner full of its own Nationals as well as foreigners, as an act of revenge?

The Iranian retribution:

Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.

The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it."

Pan Am 103: Feasible ...... but improbable for various reasons that I won’t bother to detail. That suggestion is nothing more than a conspiracy theory! The UK had a trial, presented their evidence, witnesses etc. under UK Law, in a special Court convened in the Nederland’s ......... they blamed Libya and the Court put the prime suspect in jail!

Are you now saying the UK manipulated both the investigation and the trial? Surely not ..... the UK does not do that sort of thing ..... as you have pointed out repeatedly, the UK and its Institutions are absolutely trustworthy and would never think of interfering in the true course of justice, only Russians/Iranians/Assad do that!

Maybe if they can't pin it on Iran you could tell them how to pin it on Russia instead or failing that Assad?

Your anti-Iran obsession knows no bounds!

[Robin Hood]

...in Iran he is mourned as a great fighter of ISIS.

Iranians are puzzled because by his death, at this moment in time with the government in its weakened state, his murder in such a way, has only served to unite all Iranians against Trump (and the America he represents), strengthening the government's hand, in affect weakening the People's hand.

While Soleimani may represent the worst, as a brutal man, he did represent as well the Statesman diplomatically speaking Iranians as a People had hope in, that he could redirect hostilities to Peace. Example his venture to Japan a few months ago, a(the) go between in talks with the USA.

...while it seems that the regime in Iran has taken a softer tone in their immediate reaction, it is to be expected: as a rational choice. Soleimani's death is not so easily resolved Historically speaking however. It is notable that the "red flag" flies, as it has never flown before; i recall that revenge is best served cold.

Iran isn't as united as you think.

The regime and Soleimani have MANY enemies from within the Iranian masses. In particular, the educated and secular elites do not care for the regime or Soleimani. They are more likely to be celebrating the assassination of Soleimani but behind closed doors and in privacy.

They would be more on side with the Americans and Trump than you would seem to think. There are millions of Iranians in that category, but you can't expect them to get vocal about it for obvious reasons.

So Iran is definitely split. Put it this way. let's say the US invaded Iran. Millions of Iranians would not be against the Americans. Division is definitely their weakness.

I have seen this with every Iranian I have spoken to in Australia. They generally feel appalled and disgusted about their Government. They do not for one second believe their regime is particularly nice. Why? Well many of the educated elites are disgusted with Sharia and public executions and they are even against the death penalty. They also do not believe they have true democracy, have social freedom, freedom of the press and they also believe they lack Human Rights we enjoy in the West.

It's the same situation in Turkey. The educated elites, military (Turkish Military has a tradition of Secularism and consider themselves to be defenders of Kemalism hence the last Coup) and white collar professionals are not generally supportive of Erdogan. It's the Anatolian Gypsies, and religious fanatics who support Erdogan.

I have lived there ..... you have not! What you spout is mostly bullshit and just your opinion!

The Iranians, even when I was there just after Khomeini died, have no problems with the normal American people .... but they detest the US Government and their Military ..... and their sheer bloody arrogance! I can't say I blame them as most of the rest of the World population seem to feel the same.

All Trump has done is strengthen Irans influence in the region and thus the support of most of the population. The Iranians have very politely and diplomatically, fired a shot across the bows of the US and they have sensibly backed away from Trumps aggression.

With the Parliamentary vote to ask the US Military presence in Iraq to be removed ............ the US/NATO and ALL other members of the coalition that remain in Iraq, will be occupiers/aggressors and can be legitimately dealt with as such under the UN Charter. The US and its coalition can shout its mouth off with the usual threats, bragging and boasting .......... but 'you' are breaking international law and could well end up paying a price for 'your' arrogance.

[Paphitis]

...for the record,



NATO, he, Trump, asks for their attention.

Very statesmanlike!

The more you hear of Trump, the more you know he means business.

Soleimani, your fired and good riddance too!