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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:04 pm

miltiades wrote:"Because some Turks fired a few mortars "

You are beginning to really annoy me with fucking stupid comments like the above.
Stop hallucinating you idiot, Turkey is BOMBING THE KURDS YOU MORON.
Now just fuck off, you have the brain of a fucking lunatic. Re malaka, η Τουρκική αεροπορία βομβαρδίζει τους Κούρδους , τζε εσι λαλης πετασσουν τους λιες ροτσες.!!!


Stop being a dickhead.

PROVE to me that the Turks are even hitting the Kurds.

I told you before and so far there are no reliable sources that claim the Turks have been bombing the Kurds. Sure they fired some missiles, artillery and may have flown a couple of jets, but what have they hit? What is the purpose of this action? The only bombardment so far was a village, yes a village to the North West of Afrin. A small village that is within 10 kms of the Turkish Border. A border village that is smaller than Polis.

The Kurds are not under any real pressure for the time being. Turkey is not causing a lot of damage to warrant any action. The Kurds are in a winning position.

The Syrians are just sending their troops towards death whenever they attack. We will just keep killing them all day and all night long.

The Kurds are not under any siege by Turkey. Get it?

If you think there is an issue, provide the evidence.

The Coalition will not be doing anything stupid ok. Hitting Turkey isn't terribly bright at this stage, but you are as thick as 2 planks! Rex is meeting Erdogan next week. Coaliution is not going to attack Turkey anytime soon.

Go ask your Russian mates to hit the Turks. Coalition probably won't care if they did. However, the Turks are on the same side as them now. Do you understand what is happening? Are you understanding that this is a major Pootin ploy to create havoc within NATO?

The Turks have never been able to defeat the PKK in South Western Turkey let alone beat the battle hardened YPG, YPK and Peshmerga in Syria.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:45 pm

I just love it. General Wewe
Has just announced.

" We will just be killing them day and night."
General You have just been
...promoted to a 5 ...shit General.!!!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:58 pm

Paphitis:
Fight back? Turkey couldn't get out of there quick enough. Turks are no match to the F-35, F22s, F-18s and A-10s. Coalition will swarm like flies to they don't have many aircraft.


You state the bloody obvious! The US won’t attack Turkey or their air force and the same goes for Turkey, they will not attack any coalition aircraft. The US is using the Kurds to maintain an illegal US presence in Syria by using them as proxies. All the US is interested in is keeping the Syrians out of a part of Syria (That just happens to be oil rich) that the US has decided will be under their direct control through the poor disillusioned Kurds.

But that wouldn't be the end of it.


End of what exactly? :?

The fact is, NATO would be in dire straits. I know that this is what you want, but the Coalition and NATO are not stupid. The Coalition or NATO are not about making any boasts or do anything stupid when it doesn't have to do a damn thing. There are high level meetings with the Turks early next week. Do you get it


Yes I get it, I am way ahead of you. Again you state the bloody obvious! So the US don’t boast? You will be telling me next that you don’t boast either. :lol: The Turks are also talking to the Russians, remember what happened last time they upset Russia? No boasts, no threats from Russia just action ..... they soon changed their minds and Erdogan apologised.

The fact is, the Kurds are not in any trouble and are holding their ground. In fact, they have the upper hand on both the Syrians and Turkey. Turkey can't do anything whilst our planes are present. Syria just has its forces completely demolished the moment they get anywhere near the Kurds. We could if we wanted demolish the Turks but it isn't as simple as that. There are severe repercussions for the alliance and NATO. Repercussions which would probably not be very good for the Coalition but great for pootin
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Without the umbrella of coalition air power the Syrians and Turkey will eliminate the Kurds. They were offered autonomy in exchange for a peace deal .... but as I said before, YOU made them the offer of a State of their own. When they had a referendum ..... the US refused to recognise the outcome. :roll:

Coalition has control of the skies and the ground. We are not in a desperate position at all. Coalition doesn't need to make any wild gamble plays.


If Russia gets fed up and declares a no-fly-zone over Syria on behalf of the Syrian government as they are legally entitled to do ....... the coalition will stop flying to avoid conflict with Russia who can still give them a bloody nose. :wink:

And no Raqqa has not been completely flattened at all. :lol: :lol: You have no evidence at all for any of the stupid claims you make.(See below!)All the Coalition has to do is take adequate measures to avoid civilian casualties and you can guarantee they had crossed their t's and dotted their i's a long time before they commenced operations, and you can also guarantee that their operations are transparent to any international investigators as well as their rules of engagement. The JSOC operate as one fluid organ comprising many Nations. If there are crimes, the entire Coalition shares responsibility. it's one in all in. The Committee works together to oversee the entire theater.


Again WaPo one of your 'reliable' sources ........ now what were you saying? :roll:

The price of victory in Raqqa: More than a thousand dead and a city in ruins

"But it was the final offensive that left the city utterly destroyed. A relentless campaign of airstrikes carried out by the U.S.-backed coalition killed scores of civilians and militants alike."

The city’s infrastructure is in tatters The citizen journalist group Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently, told Al Jazeera in late August that the remaining citizens had no access to electricity, water and medical supplies. Food is scarce, and much of the region’s agricultural capacity has been decimated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/17/the-price-of-victory-in-raqqa-more-than-a-thousand-dead-and-a-city-in-ruins/?utm_term=.c1cb8476caed


..... and the same story for Mosul ...... you were saying ..... this is not true? I think you’d better work it out again!

How war ravaged the city of Mosul, in satellite images

The images, made available Friday and taken from the company’s WorldView-2 satellite, show how the conflict has turned a once lively city into rubble. Compare the images taken July 8 with similar ones taken in November 2015.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/war-torn-mosul-july/?utm_term=.5019b91ebe37


BTW: Both areas were in lock-down. There was no ....... transparency to any international investigators .... .. there were none, not even the heroic life saving White Helmets, until well after the event and then the coalition blamed it all on ISIS. The victims though didn’t quite see it that way ...... ISIS doesn’t have an air force .... at least that is what they told Eva Bartlett and Venessa Beeley ........ but they could have been lying of course? :roll:

They don't have to avoid every single civilian casualty. What they don't do is use cluster munitions, barrel bombs and raise an entire block, Sarin Gas or carpet bomb like the Russians and Syrians do and which are indeed War Crimes.


The coalition has very little regard for civilian casualties and continually commit war crimes .... they just don't recognise their own, only those of others, usually without evidence. The rest of the claims of course have your usual proof of .... but you can’t disclose it because of your level of security clearance? :lol:

How ever YOU do supply cluster bombs to Saudi for abundant use in Yemen though ........ another US backed illegal war!

Even if the Coalition has 4,000 troops, most of these would be Special Forces, Advisors, Scouts, and Rangers. They are there to help the Kurds and also be available in case any of our Pilots eject over North Syria. Australia is also known to send their SAS. They are not there to repel invasions and fight conventional wars.


But you said only a few hundred .... if that. You were wrong ..... again! No of course they don’t fight conventional wars .... they let their proxies do that for them. It prevents dozens/hundreds of coalition body bags going back home and upsetting the sheeple? So YOU are a sort of the White Helmets for coalition pilots then ?

If Turkey did anything against these troops, then they got a serious problem. The Turks wouldn't dare go anywhere near and are aware that the Coalition take the safety of their troops very seriously and just as the Coalition will not fire upon the Turks, Turkey is unable to fire upon Coalition/NATO troops. It would become a major diplomatic catastrophe for them. That's when they better run and hide because Embargoes would be inevitable. They would be very lucky to avoid military reprisals.


No of course they don’t, the coalition just attacks the legitimate Syrian army fighting the terrorists YOU are supporting and arming. It has been a diplomatic catastrophe for YOUR coalition as they lose ground day after day. Now YOU have started killing Russian ‘contractors', although at the moment Putin is staying silent, has made no boasts or threats about what he will do..... not his style.

Advantage Robin Hood ....... your serve. :lol:


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Re: The war against Syria

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:03 pm

So when a delegation of Iraqi Kurds from rival political parties arrived in the Syrian Kurdish enclave of Afrin to show solidarity with their cousins facing a Turkish siege, a groundswell of euphoria erupted.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z577OWysrf


...the article is worth reading, so too the comments, much food for thought.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:15 am

miltiades wrote:I just love it. General Wewe
Has just announced.

" We will just be killing them day and night."
General You have just been
...promoted to a 5 ...shit General.!!!

There is nothing wrong with what I said.

The Coalition IS bombing any Syrian attempt to attack the Kurds.

That is the verifiable truth. And there is nothing Pootana Pootin can do about it.

As for the Turkish Offensive - it isn’t that serious at the moment. Whilst the Syrians are attacking with troops, the Turks have just done a few air strikes north of Afrin. Literally within a few kilometers of its border nothing more than that.

Coalition has no mandate to do anything about this as Turkey is a NATO member but all issues will be raised when Rex meets Erdogan. Many countries will need permission from their Parliaments to expand the scope of their operations which may include all our war with Turkey. No country in the Coalition would be keen and even if they were there would need to be extra-ordinary NATO summits. It would be absolute insanity and the only winner here would be Pootana Pootin.

That is all that can be done right now. Attacking Turkey isn’t going to work in the Coalition or NATOs favour. It would be a disaster.

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:55 am

The US doesn’t need the OIL. It’s forecast to produce more barrels than Saudi Arabia.

Coalition may be very interested in the formation of a Kurdish State. That is true. But we also know that Syria and Turkey want to wipe them out. This the Coalition will not allow.

Furthermore, Turkey did shoot down a Russian aircraft. Don’t pretend you scared them. Pootana Pootin is just a very clever fuck and he knows what he is doing. It wasn’t in his interest to have a dispute with Turkey so the 2 criminals Pootin and Erdogan starting sucking each other off because it was in their mutual interest. Now they are helping the FSA and want to attack the Kurds.

The big picture for Pootana Pootin is NATO.

Oh yeh right. Well the Coalition Air Umbrella will remain. However, I will disregard your boast. The fact is,
ISIL have never been able to defeat the Kurds in Kobani when defeat was suppose to be certain. Turkey has never been able to defeat the Kurds in Turkey. And Syria has no chance to defeat the Kurds either. You disregard the Kurds at your own peril. Our Air Power is a good help to them but I never say that this is the reason why they are winning. I say they are winning because of their own tenacity, hard work and will. They are amazing.

Russia has already declared a no fly zone. But we just disregard the threats because we know it is a bluff and that they will never attack Coalition aircraft ever.

That is nonsense. Not all of the destruction is attributable to the Coalition. In Mosul, the Iraqis were in charge and as ISIL were withdrawing, they had boobytrapped hundreds of buildings with bombs and destroyed all the bridges to impede our advances. The same thing occurred in Raqqa.

Coalition has every regard for civilians. And we record every single bit of action our military is involved in. And there is also a multi-national scrutiny of 15 odd countries from around the world, France included as well as Canada, Australia, and others. Don’t ever place these countries as anywhere near the same as Syria and Russia as we are first world, you are third world when it comes to human rights and war crimes. FACT!

Oh put it this way. I do not know how many troops are with the Kurds and neither does the media and neither do you. I said a few hundred because that would be the extent of it. 4000 troops is not what I would call a massive ground operation. I doubt there are that many but even if there are, most of these are Black Ops and Advisors. They are not there to fight a ground war. At the very most they would call in the Air Strikes. They can’t fight a war.

There is nothing legitimate about the Syrian Armed Forces. We will attack them whenever they breach into Kurdish Territory. You know this by now. The Coalition isn’t losing any territory. They have gained a lot of territory with the liberation of Raqqa. We are doing just fine so don’t worry.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:13 am

Paphitis:
The US doesn’t need the OIL. It’s forecast to produce more barrels than Saudi Arabia.


The US needs to ‘control’, it needs others to do what they decree will be done. Your attitude shows the same traits ..... apparently with the same results !

Coalition may be very interested in the formation of a Kurdish State. That is true. But we also know that Syria and Turkey want to wipe them out. This the Coalition will not allow.


But this situation repeated with the criminal regime in Ukraine killing those in the East for being ethnic Russian and wanting their right to self determination ...... is wrong? Isn’t that being hypocritical? :roll:

Furthermore, Turkey did shoot down a Russian aircraft. Don’t pretend you scared them. Pootana Pootin is just a very clever fuck and he knows what he is doing. It wasn’t in his interest to have a dispute with Turkey so the 2 criminals Pootin and Erdogan starting sucking each other off because it was in their mutual interest. Now they are helping the FSA and want to attack the Kurds
.

Too right President Putin knows very well what he is doing. That is why he is so successful and he does not have to stick a middle finger up to the rest of the World to achieve it. :D

The big picture for Pootana Pootin is NATO.


Comments like that just show that Milti is right ..... you act like child. Does anyone other than you refer to anyone using silly names. Grow up ..... if you want to join the grown ups try acting like one! :x

Oh yeh right. Well the Coalition Air Umbrella will remain. However, I will disregard your boast. The fact is, ISIL have never been able to defeat the Kurds in Kobani when defeat was suppose to be certain. Turkey has never been able to defeat the Kurds in Turkey. And Syria has no chance to defeat the Kurds either. You disregard the Kurds at your own peril. Our Air Power is a good help to them but I never say that this is the reason why they are winning. I say they are winning because of their own tenacity, hard work and will. They are amazing.


So are the ethnic Russian Eastern Ukraine’s, they are the hard working industrial power house of Ukraine ...... and they have stood their ground against a nasty murderous fascist regime that is, once again, armed and supported by the same foreign power that supports terrorist in Syria. They did it all without the need for Russia to use overwhelming air power to assist them ...... but it is there should it be needed. :wink:

Russia has already declared a no fly zone. But we just disregard the threats because we know it is a bluff and that they will never attack Coalition aircraft ever.


Have they? When did that happen? Evidence .... a UN resolution will do as proof?

They control the air space that does not make it a no-fly-zone. Every coalition flight I would think is notified to Syria/Russia, not to do so would be suicide for the pilot. It avoids fatal mistakes,

That is nonsense. Not all of the destruction is attributable to the Coalition. In Mosul, the Iraqis were in charge and as ISIL were withdrawing, they had boobytrapped hundreds of buildings with bombs and destroyed all the bridges to impede our advances. The same thing occurred in Raqqa.


There is the evidence and provided by one of your preferred sources, The Washington Post. Again, hypocrisy, when the same happened but to lesser extent in Aleppo, you used the situation as a platform for charges of war crimes NOW you blame all YOUR destruction and death on ISIS! The difference between the two is that Russia stopped using air power in Aleppo directly the SAA started ground operations ...... YOU just carried on bombing Mosul/Raqqa and that is why the destruction and death in those two places was so much greater than it was in Aleppo.

Also, in Aleppo the Russians came in behind the combat units to provide food, shelter and medical aid to the Syrians that were liberated. YOU just abandoned them to sort it out for themselves.
Coalition has every regard for civilians. And we record every single bit of action our military is involved in. And there is also a multi-national scrutiny of 15 odd countries from around the world, France included as well as Canada, Australia, and others. Don’t ever place these countries as anywhere near the same as Syria and Russia as we are first world, you are third world when it comes to human rights and war crimes. FACT!


FICTION! The evidence previously provided says otherwise! Assad helped by Russia is rebuilding Aleppo and working their way through repairing and rebuilding the infrastructure. YOU just moved on to find somewhere else to bomb. How many US coalition hospitals, schools, reception centres etc. are there in the areas of Syria you have destroyed? Answer ...... NONE!

Oh put it this way. I do not know how many troops are with the Kurds and neither does the media and neither do you. I said a few hundred because that would be the extent of it. 4000 troops is not what I would call a massive ground operation. I doubt there are that many but even if there are, most of these are Black Ops and Advisors. They are not there to fight a ground war. At the very most they would call in the Air Strikes. They can’t fight a war.


You waffle :roll: ..... the more you wriggle on the hook the more incompetent and stupid you make yourself look! You know NOTHING! :lol: :lol:

There is nothing legitimate about the Syrian Armed Forces. We will attack them whenever they breach into Kurdish Territory. You know this by now. The Coalition isn’t losing any territory. They have gained a lot of territory with the liberation of Raqqa. We are doing just fine so don’t worry
.

How truly amazing! Your logic, not surprisingly, defies all common sense! Now let me see if I've got this right? :roll:

So, the Syrian armed forces, operating in their own country, under the control of their elected leader and government, fighting against terrorist organisation’s funded and armed by a foreign power to enforce a regime change, ..... you regard as not being legitimate? Correct?

But on the other hand, the foreign power and their allies, ALL thousands of miles from their own homelands, homeland’s which are under no threat from their victim, who are illegally occupying, destroying and killing the people of a Sovereign State because THEY want the elected leader out of power to be replaced by one THEY decide upon ......... that’s just fine with YOU? Correct?

Its fine by YOU because regard your gand as the good guys ............. and you will destroy anyone that says otherwise!

Can’t you see the absolute stupidity of such a view and delivered with such hubris. You demonstrate why the people in the rest of the World have lost respect for the US and their poodles in NATO and beyond?

You truly are one-of-a-kind! :lol:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:28 am

The US needs control of what? We are all in it as willing partners and no one has control over the other ally. That is not how it works among our free Nations.

The Ukraine was killing those in the East? News to me.

OK fantastic. So you admit Pootana is trying to fracture NATO. OK well that is all well and good and I am certain NATO/Coalition/USA know what is going on as well and are acting accordingly to spoil the plan. Our planes also stick up the middle finger when they overfly Syria.

Pootana pootin is the correct name. He is a pootana, and his name is pootin. You are getting off subject. But yes Ukraine is just the next bed post notch. Tomorrow it will be someone else, and then some other small country will be invaded, until NATO decide to stand their ground. It could very well be Cyprus that is invaded in order to force the Americans to act against Turkey. that is what it is all about.

So obviously, you support Russian Interests in Cyprus. Which means you support Turkey. Russia is behind Turkey's disruption of the Italian ENI Rig. You want to stick your middle index finger up NATO and the EU.

Slowly slowly we are getting to the truth.

If you think the Coalition committed War Crimes in Raqa and Mosul, then Russia should move UN Resolutions against us. But unfortunately, the Coalition was only a very small player in the overall scheme. There was also ISIL, Hesbollah, Iranian Republican Guards, and the Iraqi Security Forces. And the Washington Post did not say that the destruction is attributable to The Coalition. The Coalition stopped its Air Operations when the troops moved in.

No it isn't fiction. Russia and Syria are third world at best, if not War Criminals. Coalition, comprising countries like Australia, Canada, France, UK, Belgium are the benchmark setters whether you like it or not. No one ever reveres Russia's Human Rights but everyone does look to the West as the world leaders in Human Rights and transparency.

And you do not know how many Coalition Troops are in Syria. You just do NOT know as I do not know either. There are not many other than a few Special Ops units which are extremely covert and are probably intertwined with Kurdish units and which are probably not recognizable as Coalition either.

And once again, there is nothing legitimate about the Syrian Armed Forces or the Assad Regime. If they attack our forces (Kurds), they get smashed. Them the rules. And you know it.

If Assad got a problem with these rules, then see a lawyer (UN). It's not our problem.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:44 am

Paphitis wrote:The US needs control of what? We are all in it as willing partners and no one has control over the other ally. That is not how it works among our free Nations.

The Ukraine was killing those in the East? News to me.

OK fantastic. So you admit Pootana is trying to fracture NATO. OK well that is all well and good and I amcertain NATO/Coalition/USA know what is going on as well and are acting accordingly to spoil the plan. Our planes also stick up the middle finger when the overfly Syria.

Pootana pootin is the correct name. He is a pootana, and his name is pootin. You are getting off subject. But yes Ukraine is just the next bed post notch. Tomorrow it will be someone else, and then some other small country will be invaded, until NATO decide to stand their ground.

So obviously, you support Russian Interests in Cyprus. Which means you support Turkey. Russia is behind Turkey's disruption of the Italian ENI Rig. You want to stick your middle index finger up Nato and the EU.

Slowly slowly we are getting to the truth.

If you think the Coalition committed War Crimes in Raqa and Mosul, then Russia should move UN Resolutions against us. But unfortunately, the Coalition was only a very small player in the overall scheme. There was also ISIL, Hesbollah, Iranian Republican Guards, and the Iraqi Security Forces. And the Washington Post did not say that the destruction is attributable to The Coalition. The Coalition stopped its Air Operations when the troops moved in.

No it isn't fiction. Russia and Syria are third world at best, if not War Criminals. Coalition, comprising countries like Australia, Canada, France, UK, Belgium are the benchmark setters whether you like it or not. No one ever reveres Russia's Human Rights but everyone does look to the West as the world leaders in Human Rights and transparency.

And you do not know how many Coalition Troops are in Syria. You just do NOT know as I do not know either. There are not many other than a few Special Ops units which are extremely covert and are probably intertwined with Kurdish units.

And once again, there is nothing legitimate about the Syrian Armed Forces or the Assad Regime. If they attack our forces (Kurds), they get smashed. Them the rules. And you know it.

If Assad got a problem with these rules, then see a lawyer (UN). It's not our problem.


More waffle ..... more wriggling ...... more stupidity! :roll: You are devoid of common sense and incapable of applying a shred of logic to your inane ramblings ...... you really should se a psycho specialist.

quote: Your logic briefly analysed ....... :roll:

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:55 am

There is nothing at all stupid about any of my analysis. i am just giving you the facts as they stand.

You just can't handle the truth.

Yes, your sources are either:

1) tin foil hat sources, or

2) Russian mouthpieces, or

3) whacked out anti west bloggers and vloggers.

I've only seen you post one article from Washington Post, but even then you were attributing falsehoods and making claims that were not made.
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