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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:53 pm

In case you missed it Paphitis ........... :wink: :D
Don’t believe the hype, Isis has not yet been defeated – here’s why - By Robert Fisk

This article was originally published by "The Independent "

March 25, 2019 "Information Clearing House" - After all the headlines about the supposed defeat of Isis, anyone who doesn’t believe a word of it may seem a bit of a spoilsport. But whenever I read that victory has been declared – whether it be of the Bush “mission accomplished” variety or the “last Isis stronghold about to fall” fantasy – I draw in my breath. Because you can make a safe bet that it’s not true.

Not just because the fighting around Baghouz is, in fact, still continuing outside the wrecked town. But because there are plenty of Isis fighters still under arms and ready to fight in the Syrian province of Idlib, along with their Hayat Tahrir al Sham, al-Nusra and al-Qaeda comrades – almost surrounded by Syrian government troops but with a narrow corridor in which they could escape to Turkey; always supposing that Sultan Erdogan will let them. There are Russian troop outposts inside these Islamist front lines, along with Turkish military forces but the tentative ceasefire which held for five months has become a lot more tenuous in the past few weeks.

Maybe it’s a failure of our institutional memory – or it’s just plain simpler to go along with the simplest story – but Idlib has for three years been the dumping ground of all Syria’s Islamist enemies, or at least the antagonists who didn’t surrender when they fled the big cities under Syrian and Russian bombardment.

And .........

But they are still in Idlib, happy no doubt to hear that the west thinks it has scored its “final victory” over Isis. The battle for Baghouz, of course, was always likely to pick up the headlines. The American air bombings and the presence of the friendly (and very brave) Kurds made this a more accessible – although still dangerous – story. And it switched attention away from other questions: like who invented the title “Syrian Democratic Forces” – which are in fact mostly Kurdish, many of whose members would prefer not to be thought of as Syrians, and whose ranks never enjoyed a democratic election in their lives.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51324.htm



I wondered what had happened to them ? Now we know! :o
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:38 pm

...a small little ditty, for the record.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/kzd ... protesting

...includes a video.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 10, 2019 1:38 am

Russia and Turkey landgrab 'behind fresh Syria bombardment'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ombardment

Renewed bombardment in north-west Syria that has displaced 200,000 people and destroyed 12 healthcare centres could have been sparked by Russia and Turkish moves to entrench their zones of influence as the seven-year conflict winds down, according to regional diplomats.

The bombardment in Idlib province began two weeks ago and has intensified in recent days, prompting rescue workers to describe an “unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe”.

The violence has sparked fears of a final, devastating, showdown in the most densely packed corner of Syria – the last part of the country to remain outside regime control.

Hospitals and clinics in the southern end of Idlib and northern edge of neighbouring Hama province have been systematically attacked by Russian warplanes, observers on the ground and monitoring groups have confirmed. The blitz has raised the spectre of a long-anticipated ground attack on the province, where a cornered population of at least 3 million people has nowhere left to run.


...a good read.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 10, 2019 8:37 am

Syria war: Toddler 'only one left' after air strike https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48214627

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sat May 11, 2019 10:47 am

LR:
Very sad for the child but something good could come out of it?

If you can think that far back when Aleppo, Gouta and all the other Jihadi enclaves were overrun by Syrian forces, instead of total annihilation they allowed those that wanted to either to swap sides or leave with their light weapons and their families ..... and the Syrian’s then escorted the buses to Idlib where the Turkish forces were to take over and relocate them. But they didn’t! They sat on their asses and let them carry on with the attacks on Aleppo and other freed areas.

So, sad as this child’s story is, maybe he/she will now get the chance to grow up a normal human being by being adopted into a non-Jihadi family because it is more probable than not, that his late father could have been one of the Jihadi’s that launched rockets into Aleppo and killed other people’s children.
Idlib, northern Hama and western Aleppo make up the last opposition stronghold in Syria after eight years of civil war.

But it wasn’t a civil war!
Government and Russian forces say they have been attacking jihadist positions in response to repeated truce violations.
In response to ......” now where have I heard that before? They have been attacking government held areas for months from this so called demilitarised zone, but the Jihadi’s then attacked the Russian air base and the Russians and Assad declared enough-is-enough!

First two paragraphs gives the other view ........ the rest is about IRAN:

https://thesaker.is/resistance-report-syrian-army-kicks-off-long-overdue-idlib-offensive-and-washington-intensifies-iran-threats/
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Mon May 13, 2019 8:03 pm

So the OPCW Gouda report was suppressed by the OPCW Management ............. now the truth starts to come out but I doubt those in the MSM that accused Assad at the time, will correct their errors? Nor will the F.UK.US. apologise for their mistake either? :roll:

Syria - OPCW Engineering Assessment: The Douma 'Chemical Weapon Attack' Was Staged

On April 7 2018 Syrian 'rebels' claimed that the Syrian government used chlorine gas and Sarin in an attack on the besieged Douma suburb near the Syrian capital Damascus. They published a series of videos which showed dead bodies of mainly women and children.
The claim of the 'chemical attack' was made shortly after U.S. President Trump had announced that he wanted U.S. troops to leave Syria. It was designed to "pull him back in" which it indeed did. In an illegal 'retaliation' the U.S., Britain and France launched a number of cruise missiles against Syria. Most of them failed to reach their targets
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Final two paragraphs from the Rev.1 - Feb 2019 Report ..........

32. At this stage the FFM engineering sub-team cannot be certain that the cylinders at either location arrived there as a result of being dropped from an aircraft. The dimensions, characteristics and appearances of the cylinders and the surrounding scene of the incidents, were inconsistent with what would have been expected in the case of either cylinder having been delivered from an aircraft. In each case the alternative hypothesis produced the only plausible explanation for observations at the scene.

33. In summary, observations at the scene of the two locations, together with subsequent analysis, suggest that there is a higher probability that both cylinders were manually placed at those two locations rather than being delivered from aircraft.


Later quote ........

The engineering assessment confirms our (MoA) earlier conclusion. The whole scene as depicted by 'rebels' and propaganda organs was staged. The more than 34 dead on the scene were murdered elsewhere under unknown circumstance.

In its discussion of the OPCW engineering assessment and its suppression by the OPCW management, the Working Group states:
The new information we have removes all doubt that the organization has been hijacked at the top by France, UK and the US. We have no doubt that most OPCW staff continue to do their jobs professionally, and that some who are uneasy about the direction that the organization has taken nevertheless wish to protect its reputation. However what is at stake here is more than the reputation of the organization: the staged incident in Douma provoked a missile attack by the US, UK and France on 14 April 2018 that could have led to all-out war.

The cover-up of evidence that the Douma incident was staged is not merely misconduct. As the staging of the Douma incident entailed mass murder of civilians, those in OPCW who have suppressed the evidence of staging are, unwittingly or otherwise, colluding with mass murder.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/syria-opcw-engineering-assessment-the-douma-chemical-weapon-incident-was-staged.html#more


As was pointed out on this thread at the time ............ it was a false flag!

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37134-2730.html#p866673

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37134-2740.html#p866702

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37134-2740.html#p866703

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus37134-2780.html#p867015
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 14, 2019 9:49 pm

...thanks RH.

the stuff i could not get anywhere else; what makes this Forum so valuable to readers like me following this topic now for years,
it will make for interesting reading in the years to come.

Freedom for Syria, Freedom for Syrians, all that comes to mind with much sadness.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Londonrake » Wed May 15, 2019 9:34 am

repulsewarrior wrote:......................the stuff i could not get anywhere else; what makes this Forum so valuable to readers like me following this topic now for years,
it will make for interesting reading in the years to come.


You might want to take a close look at the messenger and motives before launching into praising the message. Mein Kampf was quite compelling to a vast number of people, selling (and still selling to this day) millions of copies.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moon-of-alabama/

https://louisproyect.org/2013/12/20/jew ... ut-not-me/

It's just yet A N Other "independent" site, packed with anti-West/Israel articles. It certainly isn't a place to go for unbiased, objective views. However, if it's confirmation bias you're after then you've struck gold. :wink:

repulsewarrior wrote:Freedom for Syria, Freedom for Syrians, all that comes to mind with much sadness.


"Freedom for Syria. Freedom for Syrians...................."??

Have you taken a look at the history of the Assad family and it's near half century reign in the country? Freedom? :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rig ... _Civil_War

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middl ... war-crimes

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-murdered

You can find quite a lot of such articles, from a myriad of sources. Please yourself. However many though none will be "Independent", I'm sure. :wink:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 am

Thank you for that LR …… but you should read a bit beyond the ‘LEFT’ designation and you would see what the link says about Moon of Alabama:

Quote:
Moon of Alabama utilizes factually mixed sources such as RT News, Fox News, as well as credible sources such as Bloomberg, NY Times, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post, Politico, cisac.fsi.stanford.edu and blogs such as johnhelmer.org. Generally, all information is sourced properly with hyperlinks to mostly known media sources.

Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left Biased based on story selection and word choices that consistently favour progressives and Mixed factually due to anonymity associated with who runs the site. Otherwise, Moon of Alabama is well sourced to credible/factual information. (M. Huitsing 6/6/2018)


So contrary to the impression you give, your validation source you link to seems to find Moon of Alabama is well sourced to credible/factual information. Well, there’s a turn up for the books ….. ooops. :oops:

Now ….. where are these completely neutral and totally unbiased sources you think we should use? You were asked before but never replied! :wink: :)
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Londonrake » Wed May 15, 2019 10:23 am

Robin Hood wrote:Thank you for that LR …… but you should read a bit beyond the ‘LEFT’ designation and you would see what the link says about Moon of Alabama:

Quote:
Moon of Alabama utilizes factually mixed sources such as RT News, Fox News, as well as credible sources such as Bloomberg, NY Times, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post, Politico, cisac.fsi.stanford.edu and blogs such as johnhelmer.org. Generally, all information is sourced properly with hyperlinks to mostly known media sources.

Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left Biased based on story selection and word choices that consistently favour progressives and Mixed factually due to anonymity associated with who runs the site. Otherwise, Moon of Alabama is well sourced to credible/factual information. (M. Huitsing 6/6/2018)


So contrary to the impression you give, your validation source you link to seems to find Moon of Alabama is well sourced to credible/factual information. Well, there’s a turn up for the books ….. ooops.


Yes, I do actually read this stuff - honest - and concede. :D I think though that the first part of that particular section is more illuminating. :wink:

The essence of what you contemptously and so widely call "propaganda" though, the real stuff anyway, is something that was refined by the BBC during WW2. What you broadcast/publish is on the whole faithful to fact and usually material not available to your target audience. People naturally tend to come to rely upon it as a source of "the truth". Even more so, if they're already heavily biased, as is the case here. Then ....................................you slip in the other 10%. Far more subtle than the likes of Lord Haw-haw, or Tokyo Rose.

Again, please show me any MoA articles critical of Russia/Syria/Iran/North Korea/Venezuela. If it were truly an unbiased and objective source then, surely...................... :? Of course though - it's anything but.

Robin Hood wrote:Now ….. where are these completely neutral and totally unbiased sources you think we should use? You were asked before but never replied!


Ahh, but from all the vast amount available - you would never agree. :wink: You've dismissed it out-of-hand as being corporate inspired propaganda, IIRC. Then, you expect people to meekly let you move any debate onto your chosen, hallowed ground. :D

But- come on - you've ignored repeated requests to produce an article from all these treasured fringe sites to counter the obvious - that they're totally predicated on the notion of trashing the West. Unbiased? Nope. :? Or, another example, have in the past turned a deaf ear to requests for definitive proof of your claim that Israel has overtly threatened Iran with nuclear weapons. Never replied? Mmmmmm. :? That of course is another kettle of fish though. :D


BTW. My apologies for all the links. I usually try to avoid doing that, instead expressing my own opinions, rather than just linking to somebody else's all the time. :wink:

Why are we being so nice today? Do you think that perhaps there might just be a pork chop involved? :lol:
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