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[Hermes]

you cannot steal what is already yours.

You are either deeply confused or deeply fucked up. Probably both I reckon.

[Kikapu]

False threats kikapo, you have been throwing those around for years now and it has gotten nowhere time to wise and start telling the GCs the truth not porkies about going back to how it was before the divide. You always appear yo forget that you cannot steal what is already yours.

If you own something that is also owned by others, but you only want to keep it for yourself, then you are stealing it and you are a thief in such a situation, as I gave you the example before, that if you remove a child from his/her mother by force and illegally, you are then committing a crime by kidnapping that child, regardless of the fact that you are also a parent to that same child.

In such cases, your ass will be thrown in jail for kidnapping and forceful removal of that child, which is exactly where your ass belongs now for sterling and land-napping.

Are we clear on the ownership question or don't you still get it?

[Viewpoint]

Pits you are contradicting yourself on the one hand you say we are joint owners which in itself is a partnership and in the other breath you say if the father who is yet again a partner takes the child away he is a thief. Doesnt the father have rights to see and spend time with his child? they have agree to share because you cannot sweep or erase the fathers rights to access his child...a time sharing of say 37% vs 63% appears fair to me. The same goes for land we could not share the island mixed together as you wanted to give 100% of it ti Greece so the next best thing is sharing side by side but please dont try and confuse the issue by mixing peoples personal property rights which should imo be amicably settled in one way or another with ownership of sovereignty, two totally different matters.

[CBBB]

Pits you are contradicting yourself on the one hand you say we are joint owners which in itself is a partnership and in the other breath you say if the father who is yet again a partner takes the child away he is a thief. Doesnt the father have rights to see and spend time with his child? they have agree to share because you cannot sweep or erase the fathers rights to access his child...a time sharing of say 37% vs 63% appears fair to me. The same goes for land we could not share the island mixed together as you wanted to give 100% of it ti Greece so the next best thing is sharing side by side but please dont try and confuse the issue by mixing peoples personal property rights which should imo be amicably settled in one way or another with ownership of sovereignty, two totally different matters.

You must have forgotten your pills today, you are rambling again!

[Kikapu]

Pits you are contradicting yourself on the one hand you say we are joint owners which in itself is a partnership and in the other breath you say if the father who is yet again a partner takes the child away he is a thief. Doesnt the father have rights to see and spend time with his child? they have agree to share because you cannot sweep or erase the fathers rights to access his child...a time sharing of say 37% vs 63% appears fair to me. The same goes for land we could not share the island mixed together as you wanted to give 100% of it ti Greece so the next best thing is sharing side by side but please dont try and confuse the issue by mixing peoples personal property rights which should imo be amicably settled in one way or another with ownership of sovereignty, two totally different matters.

No contradictions at all, but nice try all the same to try and deflect that you are a thief and a kidnapper when using the child/parent analogy.

You have obviously overlooked the forced and illegal act of the father when taking the child away from the mother. Just because you are also the parent, it does not give you the right to unilaterally kidnap your own child. That's why they have courts for, so I stand by my statement, that you are a thief and a kidnapper and that your ass belongs in the jail.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapoo thank you we have now clearly established that the father being a partner in the marriage than produced this child has rights to access and be part of the life of this child although the parents are separate and living in different states. What you are trying to do is not only deny the father his rights to see his child but force reunion under the demands of the domineering divorcee to create a home of hell as neither side no longer want to reside under the same roof..let alone the negative effect it would have on the child. The correct course of action is to share the childs time between the 2 parents/partners that have been separated under a new set of rules whereby both sides have access on a 37% vs 63% ratio, this would create a more positive atmosphere not only for the separated couple but most importantly of all the child.

[Hermes]

The same goes for land we could not share the island mixed together as you wanted to give 100% of it ti Greece so the next best thing is sharing side by side but please dont try and confuse the issue by mixing peoples personal property rights which should imo be amicably settled in one way or another with ownership of sovereignty, two totally different matters.

The problem with this nonsense is that you cannot steal land and property in the north which belongs to somebody else, settle people from another country on that land, deprive the owners of their right to return to that land then call this 'sharing side by side'. It is up to the original owners to decide if they want to 'share' their land. Not to the thief to dictate terms to those they have dispossessed.

The problem in Cyprus is not an inability to 'share' the island's resources. It is one of foreign military intervention and occupation which keeps the country separated and deprives its people of their birthright.

[Viewpoint]

The same goes for land we could not share the island mixed together as you wanted to give 100% of it ti Greece so the next best thing is sharing side by side but please dont try and confuse the issue by mixing peoples personal property rights which should imo be amicably settled in one way or another with ownership of sovereignty, two totally different matters.

The problem with this nonsense is that you cannot steal land and property in the north which belongs to somebody else, settle people from another country on that land, deprive the owners of their right to return to that land then call this 'sharing side by side'. It is up to the original owners to decide if they want to 'share' their land. Not to the thief to dictate terms to those they have dispossessed.

The problem in Cyprus is not an inability to 'share' the island's resources. It is one of foreign military intervention and occupation which keeps the country separated and deprives its people of their birthright.

You have stolen our land and recognition and are peddling as if its just yours...we have rights to and living in peace for the lats 38 years is proof that we are better apart than together. I agree that private property claims should be addressed thats why directing them to the Property commission is a start and many GCs have done so but rights over Cyprus do not equal private property ownership, they stem from the constitutional agreements we both signed whereby we have 30% balance and a massive veto right, you cannot erase this and any effort to do so have to have our signature on it. Time you realized this and acted according then maybe we can progress.

[Hermes]

You have stolen our land and recognition and are peddling as if its just yours...

Don't be ridiculous. You declared the 'trnc' in the occupied areas and failed to get recognition. Now you complain you are 'deprived' of your rights in the ROC. Well with rights come responsibilities and if you want rights in the ROC then you need to respect the laws and democratic wishes of its citizens and its institutions. Are you prepared to do that?

[Viewpoint]

You have stolen our land and recognition and are peddling as if its just yours...

Don't be ridiculous. You declared the 'trnc' in the occupied areas and failed to get recognition. Now you complain you are 'deprived' of your rights in the ROC. Well with rights come responsibilities and if you want rights in the ROC then you need to respect the laws and democratic wishes of its citizens and its institutions. Are you prepared to do that?

This would only be possible if your returned 30% of government jobs, 15 seats in parliament, vice presidency and our veto rights, this you GCs would never do as it has always been your aim to erase our partnership rights and reduce us to minority status.