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[Hermes]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves...

"An action plan" will be submitted to Ankara which would include "a certain number of demands". They include the "requirement for the Turkish authorities to cooperate with all the states of the EU, including Cyprus, to better monitor their borders with the EU, to re-examine their visa policies with non-European countries, as well as to sign the re-entry accord concluded with the EU", said another negotiator.

"The road will be narrow and the Turks would have to agree to play the game," said the source. "This easing of visas is not for tomorrow," a European diplomat said.

Several countries including Austria and France have also signalled their reservations on the issue, another diplomat said.

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Whens this gonna go down? watch the surge of Turks flooding the EU...lock up your daughters.

You mean all these Turks will want to leave Turkey's Economic Powerhouse to become illegals and working for peanuts in the EU?

I guess the EU can use some more cheap labour to meet the austerity measures taken in countries looking to/have received bailouts.

It may well be a win win situation for both the EU and the Illegal Aliens coming from Turkey!

But why would Turks want to leave Economic Superpower Turkey in order to become a poor Illegal Alien in another EU country?

70+ million people of course there will be a flood into the EU firstly out of curiosity, the freedom to travel without visa barriers, people geninely on vacation, then come intergration, settlement and marriage, uncaught illegals, those fleeing from the law etc etc. Look at the influx of people especially from Poland 40 million into EU countries and they are in the EU which according to you people is heaven on earth.

As for Turkey being a powerhouse I would go that far but their investment grading was increased last week, how is the country you were saying was in far better condition doing? Greece.

[Kikapu]

Whens this gonna go down? watch the surge of Turks flooding the EU...lock up your daughters.

You mean all these Turks will want to leave Turkey's Economic Powerhouse to become illegals and working for peanuts in the EU?

I guess the EU can use some more cheap labour to meet the austerity measures taken in countries looking to/have received bailouts.

It may well be a win win situation for both the EU and the Illegal Aliens coming from Turkey!

But why would Turks want to leave Economic Superpower Turkey in order to become a poor Illegal Alien in another EU country?

70+ million people of course there will be a flood into the EU firstly out of curiosity, the freedom to travel without visa barriers, people geninely on vacation, then come intergration, settlement and marriage, uncaught illegals, those fleeing from the law etc etc. Look at the influx of people especially from Poland 40 million into EU countries and they are in the EU which according to you people is heaven on earth.

As for Turkey being a powerhouse I would go that far but their investment grading was increased last week, how is the country you were saying was in far better condition doing? Greece.

So what is the difference for your average Turk, whether they wait for their visa application to be accepted or not by the embassy of the country they want to travel to and do all the things you say they will do, and Turks arriving at a country and have their passports screened at arrivals. If the country the Turks want to visit are going to let them in, it makes no difference if they get their visas in advance, or be approved by the immigration upon arrival. There is no difference, other than not having to pay and wait for the visa to be approved or not. Now, Turks will need to purchase their flight tickets in advance and still not know if they will be allowed into the country, specially if they are on certain watch list.

But the EU will no longer have to deal with those who come illegally or overstay and need to be put them on the welfare system and go through endless court hearings to deport them. Now the deportation will be just a phone call away, a call to Turkey to come and get their unwanted illegals or just return them right away on the next flight. This will reduce a lot of burden on the EU countries having to pay for all these illegals as well as take the load of the EU states embassy staff in Turkey, for them having to deal with all the visa applications. This visa free system will ONLY help the Turkish business people in Turkey, for them to come and go much easier, and these people are easy to find if they should decide to "defect" from Turkey and settle in the EU.

For the average Turk, it has very little benefit or easier access to the EU for them to flood the EU. Why would they go to economically destitute EU (according to you) and leave behind Economic Powerhouse like Turkey (again, according to you).

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With a 70+ million population thousands upon thousands who once were put off going to Europe due to the degradation of applying for a visa, paying extortinate fees, waiting for ages only to be rejected which in turn acted not only as a deterrant but also a very important screening control mechanism, you claim that the same checks and controls can be operated within the 30 seconds it takes for a customs officer to look at your passport upon entering an EU country then go ahead, good on the EU for allowing Turkish Citizens to enter countries as and when they wish..is south Cyprus included? and can they cross our borders?

As for rounding up those that overstay their welcome good luck, but dont say I didnt tell you so

[B25]

With a 70+ million population thousands upon thousands who once were put off going to Europe due to the degradation of applying for a visa, paying extortinate fees, waiting for ages only to be rejected which in turn acted not only as a deterrant but also a very important screening control mechanism, you claim that the same checks and controls can be operated within the 30 seconds it takes for a customs officer to look at your passport upon entering an EU country then go ahead, good on the EU for allowing Turkish Citizens to enter countries as and when they wish..is south Cyprus included? and can they cross our borders?

As for rounding up those that overstay their welcome good luck, but dont say I didnt tell you so

Why do you keep quoting the figure of 70+ million?? Is this to scare us, plonker. You may have 70+million population of which 68million cannot read or write and mainly live in the desert in the east.
After earning $4 (oops less now) per day, I can see tham all rushing to get to Europe, what they gonna do, ride their camels over.

Oh and btw, 20+ millions are Kurds who you call mountain turks and are not worthy to say they are turkish, why do you include them in your figures???

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With a 70+ million population thousands upon thousands who once were put off going to Europe due to the degradation of applying for a visa, paying extortinate fees, waiting for ages only to be rejected which in turn acted not only as a deterrant but also a very important screening control mechanism, you claim that the same checks and controls can be operated within the 30 seconds it takes for a customs officer to look at your passport upon entering an EU country then go ahead, good on the EU for allowing Turkish Citizens to enter countries as and when they wish..is south Cyprus included? and can they cross our borders?

As for rounding up those that overstay their welcome good luck, but dont say I didnt tell you so

Why do you keep quoting the figure of 70+ million?? Is this to scare us, plonker. You may have 70+million population of which 68million cannot read or write and mainly live in the desert in the east.
After earning $4 (oops less now) per day, I can see tham all rushing to get to Europe, what they gonna do, ride their camels over.

Oh and btw, 20+ millions are Kurds who you call mountain turks and are not worthy to say they are turkish, why do you include them in your figures???

You just shot yourself in the foot its the poorer parts of the population that will flood the EU, and no camels anymore, they will probably use easy jet to get to EU countries.

[Kikapu]

With a 70+ million population thousands upon thousands who once were put off going to Europe due to the degradation of applying for a visa, paying extortinate fees, waiting for ages only to be rejected which in turn acted not only as a deterrant but also a very important screening control mechanism, you claim that the same checks and controls can be operated within the 30 seconds it takes for a customs officer to look at your passport upon entering an EU country then go ahead, good on the EU for allowing Turkish Citizens to enter countries as and when they wish..is south Cyprus included? and can they cross our borders?

As for rounding up those that overstay their welcome good luck, but dont say I didnt tell you so

Today, all the EU countries are connected with computers to verify if any individual is wanted for all sorts of reasons. If any of the Turks wanting to go to any of the EU countries before but were denied a visa for what ever the reasons were, I'm certain they will be denied entry upon arrival to their destination. In any case, the EU will decide who to send back and who not to. If they need a lot of cheap labour working illegally, the EU will benefit, and when the illegals no longer benefit the EU, they will call Turkey to come and pick them up. One refusal from Turkey and the whole program will be cancelled. Turkey does not want to hurt it's Business people able to travel without a visa. It is also well known fact, that most Turks do not speak another language that will be useful in Europe. They certainly cannot speak English, so how do you suppose they will be able to support themselves. No longer the EU will give them welfare.

Turkey will be told to recognize every EU member state before this program even takes off the ground, so no longer there will be a "south Cyprus" for you or Turkey, but RoC with Turkey's ports open to her, so get use to it. Don't you see what's happening. Turkey is being squeezed to submission little by little, even without a guarantee she will ever become a EU member state in the next 50 years, but she will be made to dance to the EU tune all the same. If Turkey recognises the RoC and also opens her ports, then I'm sure Turks will be able to go to the RoC, as long as they come legally direct to the RoC controlled airport/seaports. No illegals from the "trnc" will be allowed to go across the Green Line. They will first need to go to Turkey and then catch a direct service to the RoC, and even then, if they are deemed to be law breakers by having already entered the RoC illegally via the "trnc", they will then be deported back to Turkey. Quite simple really.

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With a 70+ million population thousands upon thousands who once were put off going to Europe due to the degradation of applying for a visa, paying extortinate fees, waiting for ages only to be rejected which in turn acted not only as a deterrant but also a very important screening control mechanism, you claim that the same checks and controls can be operated within the 30 seconds it takes for a customs officer to look at your passport upon entering an EU country then go ahead, good on the EU for allowing Turkish Citizens to enter countries as and when they wish..is south Cyprus included? and can they cross our borders?

As for rounding up those that overstay their welcome good luck, but dont say I didnt tell you so

Today, all the EU countries are connected with computers to verify if any individual is wanted for all sorts of reasons. If any of the Turks wanting to go to any of the EU countries before but were denied a visa for what ever the reasons were, I'm certain they will be denied entry upon arrival to their destination. In any case, the EU will decide who to send back and who not to. If they need a lot of cheap labour working illegally, the EU will benefit, and when the illegals no longer benefit the EU, they will call Turkey to come and pick them up. One refusal from Turkey and the whole program will be cancelled. Turkey does not want to hurt it's Business people able to travel without a visa. It is also well known fact, that most Turks do not speak another language that will be useful in Europe. They certainly cannot speak English, so how do you suppose they will be able to support themselves. No longer the EU will give them welfare.

Turkey will be told to recognize every EU member state before this program even takes off the ground, so no longer there will be a "south Cyprus" for you or Turkey, but RoC with Turkey's ports open to her, so get use to it. Don't you see what's happening. Turkey is being squeezed to submission little by little, even without a guarantee she will ever become a EU member state in the next 50 years, but she will be made to dance to the EU tune all the same. If Turkey recognises the RoC and also opens her ports, then I'm sure Turks will be able to go to the RoC, as long as they come legally direct to the RoC controlled airport/seaports. No illegals from the "trnc" will be allowed to go across the Green Line. They will first need to go to Turkey and then catch a direct service to the RoC, and even then, if they are deemed to be law breakers by having already entered the RoC illegally via the "trnc", they will then be deported back to Turkey. Quite simple really.

You sound naive going on stupid the scenarios you make up aint gonna happen without plenty of concessions from the EU on the TRNC...keep dreaming.

[Kikapu]

With a 70+ million population thousands upon thousands who once were put off going to Europe due to the degradation of applying for a visa, paying extortinate fees, waiting for ages only to be rejected which in turn acted not only as a deterrant but also a very important screening control mechanism, you claim that the same checks and controls can be operated within the 30 seconds it takes for a customs officer to look at your passport upon entering an EU country then go ahead, good on the EU for allowing Turkish Citizens to enter countries as and when they wish..is south Cyprus included? and can they cross our borders?

As for rounding up those that overstay their welcome good luck, but dont say I didnt tell you so

Today, all the EU countries are connected with computers to verify if any individual is wanted for all sorts of reasons. If any of the Turks wanting to go to any of the EU countries before but were denied a visa for what ever the reasons were, I'm certain they will be denied entry upon arrival to their destination. In any case, the EU will decide who to send back and who not to. If they need a lot of cheap labour working illegally, the EU will benefit, and when the illegals no longer benefit the EU, they will call Turkey to come and pick them up. One refusal from Turkey and the whole program will be cancelled. Turkey does not want to hurt it's Business people able to travel without a visa. It is also well known fact, that most Turks do not speak another language that will be useful in Europe. They certainly cannot speak English, so how do you suppose they will be able to support themselves. No longer the EU will give them welfare.

Turkey will be told to recognize every EU member state before this program even takes off the ground, so no longer there will be a "south Cyprus" for you or Turkey, but RoC with Turkey's ports open to her, so get use to it. Don't you see what's happening. Turkey is being squeezed to submission little by little, even without a guarantee she will ever become a EU member state in the next 50 years, but she will be made to dance to the EU tune all the same. If Turkey recognises the RoC and also opens her ports, then I'm sure Turks will be able to go to the RoC, as long as they come legally direct to the RoC controlled airport/seaports. No illegals from the "trnc" will be allowed to go across the Green Line. They will first need to go to Turkey and then catch a direct service to the RoC, and even then, if they are deemed to be law breakers by having already entered the RoC illegally via the "trnc", they will then be deported back to Turkey. Quite simple really.

You sound naive going on stupid the scenarios you make up aint gonna happen without plenty of concessions from the EU on the TRNC...keep dreaming.

plenty of concessions from the EU on the TRNC...keep dreaming.

I agree. You are dreaming!

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Kikapu we have been debating for years now and nothing has changed Turkey has not evaporated as you predict and the TRNC has not lost one inch of land, we are further away from a solution than we have ever been and looks like we will both die you in a foreign land me in the TRNC and things will continue as today without change. Why on earth do you bother, why do you want to force the two sides to unite when you know full weill it will never work? Try and be honest and sincere and I will respond in kind.