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[Paphitis]

The worst thing of all is the fact that people Pyro are just looking for things that simply don't exist. They are suspicious because the US has been directly involved in helping the search effort and investigation. There are no ulterior motives other than achieving closure for the relatives and then to also find out why this has happened. It was a Boeing that crashed, a US built aircraft.

The Americans have contributed a great deal in aviation and safety and that is what it boils down to. This crash is unprecedented in many ways, just like September 11 was also unprecedented. The poor Malaysians need a little more credit for being able to do what they have. You can just substitute Cyprus for Malaysia and hope that we would be as circumspect but somehow under this amount of intensity I don't think that we would be as capable or professional.

[Pyrpolizer]

Resorting to flightradar 24 now!

Did you know that it does not track all aircraft but only those fitted with ADS-B?

Did you see that it tracked it?

[Paphitis]

Resorting to flightradar 24 now!

Did you know that it does not track all aircraft but only those fitted with ADS-B?

Did you see that it tracked it?

The ADS-B was switched off over the South China Sea. Therefore, MH370 could not be tracked by FR24.

You do know what FR24 is don't you?

[Pyrpolizer]

The worst thing of all is the fact that people Pyro are just looking for things that simply don't exist. They are suspicious because the US has been directly involved in helping the search effort and investigation. There are no ulterior motives other than achieving closure for the relatives and then to also find out why this has happened. It was a Boeing that crashed, a US built aircraft.

The Americans have contributed a great deal in aviation and safety and that is what it boils down to. This crash is unprecedented in many ways, just like September 11 was also unprecedented. The poor Malaysians need a little more credit for being able to do what they have. You can just substitute Cyprus for Malaysia and hope that we would be as circumspect but somehow under this amount of intensity I don't think that we would be as capable or professional.

I repeat:
as long as nothing has been pulled out of the ocean let aside been identified to belong to that airplane, the plane could be anywhere in the world.
and yes some of us in here have taken the difficult path of trying to put down all options, whereas you took the easy path of whatever, and you are not helping at all in this search for the truth.
You see after the 9/11 hoax, which I doubt you even consider it a hoax anyway, i doubt you even know it was not 2 towers that went down but 3, I am not personally inclined into taking ready soups on the plate.

[Paphitis]

As to your next question, there are a number of factors that effect your Fuel Burn. One of these factors is speed. There are typically 5 normal configurations in the cruise. M0.76, 0.78, 0.80, 0.82, and 0.84. Best Endurance is at 0.74 and max operating is 0.90.

I don't know what speed he was flying but anything more than 0.80 would increase Fuel Burn and reduce range.

At 0.84 at 36000, the burn is 3500 kg/eng. At 0.78, the burn is about 10% less for a small speed penalty.

Another factor that increases Fuel Burn is Drag. When you increase your speed you also increase Lift and because of this you also increased Induced Drag which is a coefficient of Lift. You also increase Form and Parasite Drag, therefore increased Fuel Burn.

How about fuel burn rate at very high speed at very low elevation?

Even worse. MH370 had altitude in its favour if it was at 35000FT.

That's what worries me as to the reason why they are now looking for a new crash site almost 700 miles further north. That would be close to 20% more fuel used, hence almost 20% less distance covered from the normal flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. It adds some more suspicion that the plane flew low and fast for a long time (in theory).

I don't have time to write more at this time since we are off for a week of a little R&R in Asia.

That is quite feasible but it depends on the speed. They are far as we are aware and from what they have told us up to now are presuming a constant FL350. Boeing is correct and they would have access to the best Aircraft Performance Analysts crunching all the numbers.

Also, the altitude variations from FL350 to FL120 and back up to FL230 and back down to 5000 etc would have burned quite a bit of fuel. Also interesting to note that the flight path avoided Indian and Indonesian Airspace.

[Paphitis]

The worst thing of all is the fact that people Pyro are just looking for things that simply don't exist. They are suspicious because the US has been directly involved in helping the search effort and investigation. There are no ulterior motives other than achieving closure for the relatives and then to also find out why this has happened. It was a Boeing that crashed, a US built aircraft.

The Americans have contributed a great deal in aviation and safety and that is what it boils down to. This crash is unprecedented in many ways, just like September 11 was also unprecedented. The poor Malaysians need a little more credit for being able to do what they have. You can just substitute Cyprus for Malaysia and hope that we would be as circumspect but somehow under this amount of intensity I don't think that we would be as capable or professional.

I repeat:
as long as nothing has been pulled out of the ocean let aside been identified to belong to that airplane, the plane could be anywhere in the world.
and yes some of us in here have taken the difficult path of trying to put down all options, whereas you took the easy path of whatever, and you are not helping at all in this search for the truth.
You see after the 9/11 hoax, which I doubt you even consider it a hoax anyway, i doubt you even know it was not 2 towers that went down but 3, I am not personally inclined into taking ready soups on the plate.

And how long do you think that will remain the case?

Do you honestly believe they are not going to retrieve any debris?

We already know the approximate position of the aircraft. So no it can't be anywhere at all!

[Pyrpolizer]

Resorting to flightradar 24 now!

Did you know that it does not track all aircraft but only those fitted with ADS-B?

Did you see that it tracked it?

The ADS-B was switched off over the South China Sea. Therefore, MH370 could not be tracked by FR24.

You do know what FR24 is don't you?

Whatch the second part, I already said the first part can be explained from the presumable switching off the transponders so you are not adding anything here.
How do you explain the 2nd part? How do you explain the change of data on FlightRadar? That change occurred after the plane was reported lost (24 hours later in fact)

The point I raised here is actually this:
"So if the original point of disappearance is changed so would all further calculations /guesses presented so far."

[Paphitis]

Resorting to flightradar 24 now!

Did you know that it does not track all aircraft but only those fitted with ADS-B?

Did you see that it tracked it?

The ADS-B was switched off over the South China Sea. Therefore, MH370 could not be tracked by FR24.

You do know what FR24 is don't you?

Whatch the second part, I already said the first part can be explained from the presumable switching off the transponders so you are not adding anything here.
How do you explain the 2nd part? How do you explain the change of data on FlightRadar? That change occurred after the plane was reported lost (24 hours later in fact)

The point I raised here is actually this:
"So if the original point of disappearance is changed so would all further calculations /guesses presented so far."

I am not even going to entertain this because FR24 is very unreliable. It is NOT a direct radar feed.

It relies on hobbyists tracking aircraft using ADS-B receivers which you can buy and transmitting the flight data over the internet.

[Pyrpolizer]

The worst thing of all is the fact that people Pyro are just looking for things that simply don't exist. They are suspicious because the US has been directly involved in helping the search effort and investigation. There are no ulterior motives other than achieving closure for the relatives and then to also find out why this has happened. It was a Boeing that crashed, a US built aircraft.

The Americans have contributed a great deal in aviation and safety and that is what it boils down to. This crash is unprecedented in many ways, just like September 11 was also unprecedented. The poor Malaysians need a little more credit for being able to do what they have. You can just substitute Cyprus for Malaysia and hope that we would be as circumspect but somehow under this amount of intensity I don't think that we would be as capable or professional.

I repeat:
as long as nothing has been pulled out of the ocean let aside been identified to belong to that airplane, the plane could be anywhere in the world.
and yes some of us in here have taken the difficult path of trying to put down all options, whereas you took the easy path of whatever, and you are not helping at all in this search for the truth.
You see after the 9/11 hoax, which I doubt you even consider it a hoax anyway, i doubt you even know it was not 2 towers that went down but 3, I am not personally inclined into taking ready soups on the plate.

And how long do you think that will remain the case?

Do you honestly believe they are not going to retrieve any debris?

We already know the approximate position of the aircraft. So no it can't be anywhere at all!

We know nothing but guesses so far.

[Paphitis]

The worst thing of all is the fact that people Pyro are just looking for things that simply don't exist. They are suspicious because the US has been directly involved in helping the search effort and investigation. There are no ulterior motives other than achieving closure for the relatives and then to also find out why this has happened. It was a Boeing that crashed, a US built aircraft.

The Americans have contributed a great deal in aviation and safety and that is what it boils down to. This crash is unprecedented in many ways, just like September 11 was also unprecedented. The poor Malaysians need a little more credit for being able to do what they have. You can just substitute Cyprus for Malaysia and hope that we would be as circumspect but somehow under this amount of intensity I don't think that we would be as capable or professional.

I repeat:
as long as nothing has been pulled out of the ocean let aside been identified to belong to that airplane, the plane could be anywhere in the world.
and yes some of us in here have taken the difficult path of trying to put down all options, whereas you took the easy path of whatever, and you are not helping at all in this search for the truth.
You see after the 9/11 hoax, which I doubt you even consider it a hoax anyway, i doubt you even know it was not 2 towers that went down but 3, I am not personally inclined into taking ready soups on the plate.

And how long do you think that will remain the case?

Do you honestly believe they are not going to retrieve any debris?

We already know the approximate position of the aircraft. So no it can't be anywhere at all!

We know nothing but guesses so far.

You can speak for yourself! You're guessing but there are a lot of people who know exactly what is going on.

There are Satellite Images, Photos, Videos and aircraft crews from 6 countries have spotted debris, including China.