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Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:03 am

This war was planned, organised and implemented by the US and their lap dogs in the EU. The Russians stand accused by the west but when interviewed by French journalists who stated “Kerry has proof Russia is directly involved.” Putin again denied it and asked “So where is this evidence?" He has a point! If such evidence was available it would have been splashed all over the front pages of the western media?

This video is the reality of the war in Ukraine and it is not as the western press, nor the US and is poodle puppets in the EU would have us believe. I urge you to watch it:

On 2 June 2014 an air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk resulted in 8 deaths and 28 wounded. Inna Vladimirovna Kukurudza (Кукурудза Инна Владимировна), an employee credit union was one (of) the number of the innocent civilian victims murdered that day. She died in the ambulance after the horrific injuries that we see at the end of this video.

This video was made as a tribute to her memory.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/06/for-inna-video-which-should-be.html


Is that video tough to watch? Yes. Therefore - PLEASE CIRCULATE IT!


Where are Obama, Cameron, Kerry and Hague to condemn this violence used by their illegally installed fascist/Nazi government, against civilian targets. The only country that can stop the civil war in Ukraine is the USA and could be halted immediately by Obama calling off his Kiev employed thugs.

The world is going crazy ...... :(
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:01 am

They are all too busy devising propaganda to support their agenda and 'hidden' aims in Ukraine.

The west and their proxy has become the main exporter of death and destruction round the world and I have come to accept that most of what they say through their media outlets is a lie.

I have often thought, after listening to their crap, particularly in this past decade, that white man is completely nuts.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:25 am

Robin Hood wrote:This war was planned, organised and implemented by the US and their lap dogs in the EU. The Russians stand accused by the west but when interviewed by French journalists who stated “Kerry has proof Russia is directly involved.” Putin again denied it and asked “So where is this evidence?" He has a point! If such evidence was available it would have been splashed all over the front pages of the western media?

This video is the reality of the war in Ukraine and it is not as the western press, nor the US and is poodle puppets in the EU would have us believe. I urge you to watch it:

On 2 June 2014 an air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk resulted in 8 deaths and 28 wounded. Inna Vladimirovna Kukurudza (Кукурудза Инна Владимировна), an employee credit union was one (of) the number of the innocent civilian victims murdered that day. She died in the ambulance after the horrific injuries that we see at the end of this video.

This video was made as a tribute to her memory.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/06/for-inna-video-which-should-be.html


Is that video tough to watch? Yes. Therefore - PLEASE CIRCULATE IT!


Where are Obama, Cameron, Kerry and Hague to condemn this violence used by their illegally installed fascist/Nazi government, against civilian targets. The only country that can stop the civil war in Ukraine is the USA and could be halted immediately by Obama calling off his Kiev employed thugs.

The world is going crazy ...... :(


Speaking of propaganda, I think both sides can be very good at this game, Russians included.

The video you linked to showed a Russian Built fighter, probably from the Ukrainian Airforce firing Chaff Flare which is normally done to defend the aircraft from possible Surface to Air Missile attack from weapons such as your typical over the shoulder Manpad missile such as Stinger for instance. Some are heat guided and deadly. The question is, why would the aircraft be forced to react in this fashion? Was it fired upon by Russian supported militia? Were Russian Militia in the area that were taking over public buildings and firing upon Ukrainian Security Forces?

On a more serious note, is the fact that the Ukraine's territorial integrity and internationally recognized borders are under attack. Sure, I understand the fact that there are serious internal political issues but that does not give Russia the right to intervene militarily within this country without being sanctioned by the UN Security Council and even if action is sanctioned by the UN, they still do not have the right to hold bogus Referendums asking the populace whether they desire to secede from Ukraine and have a portion of Ukrainian territory annexed to Russia. This does make for a dangerous precedence which which has been repeated before, and parallels to Cyprus do exist. Where does it end? Can the US annex Afghanistan? Can the US invade and annex northern Mexico? Can China invade and annex 37% of Australia under the guise of a peace operation because there was a a Coup and re stabilize the country which it's economy relies on?
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:36 am

Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:This war was planned, organised and implemented by the US and their lap dogs in the EU. The Russians stand accused by the west but when interviewed by French journalists who stated “Kerry has proof Russia is directly involved.” Putin again denied it and asked “So where is this evidence?" He has a point! If such evidence was available it would have been splashed all over the front pages of the western media?

This video is the reality of the war in Ukraine and it is not as the western press, nor the US and is poodle puppets in the EU would have us believe. I urge you to watch it:

On 2 June 2014 an air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk resulted in 8 deaths and 28 wounded. Inna Vladimirovna Kukurudza (Кукурудза Инна Владимировна), an employee credit union was one (of) the number of the innocent civilian victims murdered that day. She died in the ambulance after the horrific injuries that we see at the end of this video.

This video was made as a tribute to her memory.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/06/for-inna-video-which-should-be.html


Is that video tough to watch? Yes. Therefore - PLEASE CIRCULATE IT!


Where are Obama, Cameron, Kerry and Hague to condemn this violence used by their illegally installed fascist/Nazi government, against civilian targets. The only country that can stop the civil war in Ukraine is the USA and could be halted immediately by Obama calling off his Kiev employed thugs.

The world is going crazy ...... :(


Speaking of propaganda, I think both sides can be very good at this game, Russians included.

The video you linked in the video showed a Russian Built fighter, probably from the Ukrainian Airforce firing Chaff Flare which is normally done to defend the aircraft from possible Surface to Air Missile attack from weapons such as your typical over the shoulder Manpad missile such as Stinger for instance. Some are heat guided and deadly. The question is, why would the aircraft be forced to react in this fashion? Was it fired upon by Russian supported militia?

On a more serious note, is the fact that the Ukraine's territorial integrity and internationally recognized borders are under attack. Sure, I understand the fact that there are serious internal political issues but that does not give Russia the right to intervene militarily within this country without being sanctioned by the UN Security Council and even if action is sanctioned by the UN, they still do not have the right to hold bogus Referendums asking the populace whether they desire to secede from Ukraine and have a portion of Ukraine territory join Russia. This does make for a dangerous precedence which which has been repeated before, and parallels to Cyprus do exist. Where does it end? Can the US annex Afghanistan? Can the US invade and annex northern mexico? Can China invade and annex 37% of Australia under the guise of a peace operation because there was a a Coup and re stabilize the country which it's economy relies on?


I have heard, from reliable sources that bums were incentivized and paid in excess of 300 euro and up to 1000 Dollars a day (by the west and its puppets) to stage violent demonstrations, cause problems, throw Molotov cocktails and fire live rounds at the Ukrainian police.

From what I can tell, there has been a deliberate attempt destabilize Ukraine and its not coming from Russia.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:49 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:This war was planned, organised and implemented by the US and their lap dogs in the EU. The Russians stand accused by the west but when interviewed by French journalists who stated “Kerry has proof Russia is directly involved.” Putin again denied it and asked “So where is this evidence?" He has a point! If such evidence was available it would have been splashed all over the front pages of the western media?

This video is the reality of the war in Ukraine and it is not as the western press, nor the US and is poodle puppets in the EU would have us believe. I urge you to watch it:

On 2 June 2014 an air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk resulted in 8 deaths and 28 wounded. Inna Vladimirovna Kukurudza (Кукурудза Инна Владимировна), an employee credit union was one (of) the number of the innocent civilian victims murdered that day. She died in the ambulance after the horrific injuries that we see at the end of this video.

This video was made as a tribute to her memory.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/06/for-inna-video-which-should-be.html


Is that video tough to watch? Yes. Therefore - PLEASE CIRCULATE IT!


Where are Obama, Cameron, Kerry and Hague to condemn this violence used by their illegally installed fascist/Nazi government, against civilian targets. The only country that can stop the civil war in Ukraine is the USA and could be halted immediately by Obama calling off his Kiev employed thugs.

The world is going crazy ...... :(


Speaking of propaganda, I think both sides can be very good at this game, Russians included.

The video you linked in the video showed a Russian Built fighter, probably from the Ukrainian Airforce firing Chaff Flare which is normally done to defend the aircraft from possible Surface to Air Missile attack from weapons such as your typical over the shoulder Manpad missile such as Stinger for instance. Some are heat guided and deadly. The question is, why would the aircraft be forced to react in this fashion? Was it fired upon by Russian supported militia?

On a more serious note, is the fact that the Ukraine's territorial integrity and internationally recognized borders are under attack. Sure, I understand the fact that there are serious internal political issues but that does not give Russia the right to intervene militarily within this country without being sanctioned by the UN Security Council and even if action is sanctioned by the UN, they still do not have the right to hold bogus Referendums asking the populace whether they desire to secede from Ukraine and have a portion of Ukraine territory join Russia. This does make for a dangerous precedence which which has been repeated before, and parallels to Cyprus do exist. Where does it end? Can the US annex Afghanistan? Can the US invade and annex northern mexico? Can China invade and annex 37% of Australia under the guise of a peace operation because there was a a Coup and re stabilize the country which it's economy relies on?


I have heard, from reliable sources that bums were incentivized and paid in excess of 300 euro and up to 1000 Dollars a day (by the west and its puppets) to stage violent demonstrations, cause problems, throw Molotov cocktails and fire live rounds at the Ukrainian police.

From what I can tell, there has been a deliberate attempt destabilize Ukraine and its not coming from Russia.


Well it all starts with "I have heard" but no serious source from the West has actually accused Russia of this. They do however accuse Russia with acting very illegally within another country and without the mandate to do so, and annexing part of its territory which is extremely serious. Aside from the political turmoil, that is what it all boils down to.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:52 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:This war was planned, organised and implemented by the US and their lap dogs in the EU. The Russians stand accused by the west but when interviewed by French journalists who stated “Kerry has proof Russia is directly involved.” Putin again denied it and asked “So where is this evidence?" He has a point! If such evidence was available it would have been splashed all over the front pages of the western media?

This video is the reality of the war in Ukraine and it is not as the western press, nor the US and is poodle puppets in the EU would have us believe. I urge you to watch it:

On 2 June 2014 an air strike of the Ukrainian Air force on city of Lugansk resulted in 8 deaths and 28 wounded. Inna Vladimirovna Kukurudza (Кукурудза Инна Владимировна), an employee credit union was one (of) the number of the innocent civilian victims murdered that day. She died in the ambulance after the horrific injuries that we see at the end of this video.

This video was made as a tribute to her memory.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/06/for-inna-video-which-should-be.html


Is that video tough to watch? Yes. Therefore - PLEASE CIRCULATE IT!


Where are Obama, Cameron, Kerry and Hague to condemn this violence used by their illegally installed fascist/Nazi government, against civilian targets. The only country that can stop the civil war in Ukraine is the USA and could be halted immediately by Obama calling off his Kiev employed thugs.

The world is going crazy ...... :(


Speaking of propaganda, I think both sides can be very good at this game, Russians included.

The video you linked in the video showed a Russian Built fighter, probably from the Ukrainian Airforce firing Chaff Flare which is normally done to defend the aircraft from possible Surface to Air Missile attack from weapons such as your typical over the shoulder Manpad missile such as Stinger for instance. Some are heat guided and deadly. The question is, why would the aircraft be forced to react in this fashion? Was it fired upon by Russian supported militia?

On a more serious note, is the fact that the Ukraine's territorial integrity and internationally recognized borders are under attack. Sure, I understand the fact that there are serious internal political issues but that does not give Russia the right to intervene militarily within this country without being sanctioned by the UN Security Council and even if action is sanctioned by the UN, they still do not have the right to hold bogus Referendums asking the populace whether they desire to secede from Ukraine and have a portion of Ukraine territory join Russia. This does make for a dangerous precedence which which has been repeated before, and parallels to Cyprus do exist. Where does it end? Can the US annex Afghanistan? Can the US invade and annex northern mexico? Can China invade and annex 37% of Australia under the guise of a peace operation because there was a a Coup and re stabilize the country which it's economy relies on?


I have heard, from reliable sources that bums were incentivized and paid in excess of 300 euro and up to 1000 Dollars a day (by the west and its puppets) to stage violent demonstrations, cause problems, throw Molotov cocktails and fire live rounds at the Ukrainian police.

From what I can tell, there has been a deliberate attempt destabilize Ukraine and its not coming from Russia.


Well it all starts with "I have heard" but no serious source from the West has actually accused Russia of this. They do however accuse Russia with acting very illegally within another country and without the mandate to do so, and annexing part of its territory which is extremely serious. Aside from the political turmoil, that is what it all boils down to.



I am saying that its the west and its puppets that are paying these mercenaries. Not Russia.

The west and its puppets are renowned for funding and supporting rebels.
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Postby zan » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:55 am

I have said it on another thread but at the DDay remberence gathering, Putin was reported to have said "tell the USA to stop meddling in Syria and Iraq and I will stop meddling in Ukraine".
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:02 am

Maximus wrote:

I am saying that its the west and its puppets that are paying these mercenaries. Not Russia.

The west and its puppets are renowned for supporting rebels.


I don't think so. The Ukrainian Military and Police are paid for by the Ukrainian Authorities and they are NOT mercenaries. The Russian Militias are and they are acting illegally.
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Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:03 am

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:

I am saying that its the west and its puppets that are paying these mercenaries. Not Russia.

The west and its puppets are renowned for supporting rebels.


I don't think so. The Ukrainian Military and Police are paid for by the Ukrainian Authorities and they are NOT mercenaries. The Russian Militias are and they are acting illegally.


Read my comment again please. Just start again. from the beginning.
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Re: Ukraine - The reality of war.

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:21 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:

I am saying that its the west and its puppets that are paying these mercenaries. Not Russia.

The west and its puppets are renowned for supporting rebels.


I don't think so. The Ukrainian Military and Police are paid for by the Ukrainian Authorities and they are NOT mercenaries. The Russian Militias are and they are acting illegally.


Read my comment again please. Just start again. from the beginning.


No it's ok Maximus, You explain it from the beginning and tell us all about it.

I prefer to stick to big picture, and for me it all boils down to Ukraine's, territorial Integrity as a Sovereign State.

I really can't see the West instigating anything and helping Russia to annex a big chunk of the country.
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