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[Paphitis]

Influence through music and Hollywood, like, that's like propaganda because the Americans are always the good guys.

Two thirds of Americans think their country is doomed.

Well, most of the movies are their creation so yes you can always bet that Batman, and Superman are always going to be American. But the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality.

My kiddies had a photo next to the real Batmobile from the actual movie. They loved it!

[Maximus]

Influence through music and Hollywood, like, that's like propaganda because the Americans are always the good guys.

Two thirds of Americans think their country is doomed.

Well, most of the movies are their creation so yes you can always bet that Batman, and Superman are always going to be American. But the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality.

My kiddies had a photo next to the real Batmobile from the actual movie. They loved it!

I have a superman costume, I love it.

[Paphitis]

Influence through music and Hollywood, like, that's like propaganda because the Americans are always the good guys.

Two thirds of Americans think their country is doomed.

Well, most of the movies are their creation so yes you can always bet that Batman, and Superman are always going to be American. But the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality.

My kiddies had a photo next to the real Batmobile from the actual movie. They loved it!

I have a superman costume, I love it.

well, aren't you the typical American slave serf!

It's all American propaganda!

I'm more into Flash ha haaaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kCCLwEga8

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

But the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality.

Are you sure of that? So, let’s start with a few facts:

• The government in Ukraine is illegal ....... as it was installed as the result of a coup d’etat which is contrary to international law and the UN charter.
• The coup d’etat was planned, supported and instigated by a foreign power, the USA, again contrary to international law and the UN Charter.
• Victoria Nuland (Kerrys woman in Ukraine) was recorded in a telephone conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt discussing which Kiev government jobs should go to which people. (This was the’ f**k the EU’ conversation) Maybe coincidence but these people got those jobs just weeks later.
• Nuland also has said that the US has spent $5bn over ten years supporting these revolutionary parties through NGO’s.
• Kerry clearly stated on camera that the US has evidence that Russia is involved and is fermenting unrest in Ukraine, unfortunately, like most of his assertions no evidence is ever presented.
• The original protest got concessions from the elected President, Yanukovitch whichamong other concessions returned to the 2004 constitution and greatly limited the Presidents power. At that point there had been little serious violence.
• These concessions were rejected by the leading proponents of the violence, Svoboda and Right Sector, and it is a very high probability that the snipers that killed around 100 people to escalate violence in the Maidan, including killing police, were under the direction of politicians from these parties.
• Both Svoboda and Right Sector are associated with the Nazi Party ideology and other fascist ideologies and it is militants from these organisations that are doing the killing in Eastern Ukraine with the full support of the US. The regular Ukraine forces have in the main laid down their arms and refused to kill Ukrainians.
• When the violence started in February Obama warned Yanukovitch that the US would not tolerate him using the police or military to curb the violence. Different story that they now have their man in the Presidents chair!
• Once installed the US and the EU immediately recognised this illegal regime and within hour’s were negotiating an EU sponsored ‘rescue’ for their economy ....... with the usual austerity conditions of course.
• Russia did not invade Crimea ... they were already there and legally. They had 16000 troops as opposed to 25000 they were allowed by treaty. They flew in more which is why they took the airfield. Within days these ‘Special Forces’ had returned to Russia.
• Russia did not organise the Crimea referendum, it was the elected local government of an autonomous Crimea that set it up and it was as a result of the overwhelming support for separation from Ukraine that led to Crimea requesting for annexation by Russia.
• Russia DID go beyond the limits of the Treaty by leaving their bases and preventing the Ukraine army from doing exactly what they are doing now and by keeping them confined to barracks, no lives were lost and no property damaged or destroyed.
• Under the UN Charter all people have the right to self determination and do not need the approval of the US to exercise that right.
• The people in Eastern Ukraine are not asking for annexation to Russia but the right to decide to be an autonomous state within a Federal Ukraine. (Just like the US operates)

There is no American Empire.

Not yet .... but give them time they are working on it!

The "empire" they (US) have created was purely from influence. For example, the music and entertainment industry which you have made yourself a subject to for starters. Then it's trade and commerce.

Be realistic ......... the Empire they have created has been through threats, regime change and interference in every other countries affairs using their vast military superiority as the back-up weapon. Then their banks, commerce and corporations move in and exploit the country for the benefit of the US. You are either with us or against us ........ being the motto! If you are for us then no problem we will give you money and weapons .......... if you oppose us we will blow your asses back to the stone age!

One thing is for sure, they will not be on the decline any time soon and there is no power to keep hold of, at least not in the invade and conquer sense. They pretty much got it all covered for now. The big powers today prefer to explore new economic markets and everything is conquered from the board rooms of New York, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Berlin.

The BRICS group, Iran and others, are breaking away from the mighty dollar and dealing in other national currencies........ this will collapse the dollar eventually. The US learned after Vietnam not to conquer and occupy a nation using their own forces, they now form coalitions with their NATO partners (puppets) to create a proxy war and then put their own SOB in the Presidency. As they have in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine. You can see the peace that the residents of those same countries get from the US's humanitarian interventions!

Contrary to your confident statement that ” ...... the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality” I would suggest that exactly the opposite is true. 90+% of the general public believe what they see on TV or in the News sheets, they do not have either the capability nor the interest to seek alternative sources of information and work anything out for themselves.

BTW: The decoys you claim were released by the Ukraine Air Force jet have been determined as most likely to have been from the aircrafts fixed weapons ..... maybe 30mm cannon explosive rounds. What you see is the almost simultaneous firing of guns to the front of the aircraft, you release flares to the side/rear as it is from the rear that heat seeking missiles attack as they home in on the exhaust ..... not the front. Also, flares do not blown peoples legs off!

The CCTV camera shows the flames from the explosion going from the wooded area (R to L) into the front of the building. Going by all the tyres around there was obviously a barricade there but the victims were all civilian and predominantly female. This is a war crime and I believe the name/rank/serial number of the pilot is already known apparently.

[Maximus]

Influence through music and Hollywood, like, that's like propaganda because the Americans are always the good guys.

Two thirds of Americans think their country is doomed.

Well, most of the movies are their creation so yes you can always bet that Batman, and Superman are always going to be American. But the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality.

My kiddies had a photo next to the real Batmobile from the actual movie. They loved it!

I have a superman costume, I love it.

well, aren't you the typical American slave serf!

It's all American propaganda!

I'm more into Flash ha haaaa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kCCLwEga8

I prefer Schwarzenegger myself but lets get serious and back to the subject of this thread.

[Paphitis]

Are you sure of that? So, let’s start with a few facts:

• The government in Ukraine is illegal ....... as it was installed as the result of a coup d’etat which is contrary to international law and the UN charter.
• The coup d’etat was planned, supported and instigated by a foreign power, the USA, again contrary to international law and the UN Charter.
• Victoria Nuland (Kerrys woman in Ukraine) was recorded in a telephone conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt discussing which Kiev government jobs should go to which people. (This was the’ f**k the EU’ conversation) Maybe coincidence but these people got those jobs just weeks later.
• Nuland also has said that the US has spent $5bn over ten years supporting these revolutionary parties through NGO’s.
• Kerry clearly stated on camera that the US has evidence that Russia is involved and is fermenting unrest in Ukraine, unfortunately, like most of his assertions no evidence is ever presented.
• The original protest got concessions from the elected President, Yanukovitch whichamong other concessions returned to the 2004 constitution and greatly limited the Presidents power. At that point there had been little serious violence.
• These concessions were rejected by the leading proponents of the violence, Svoboda and Right Sector, and it is a very high probability that the snipers that killed around 100 people to escalate violence in the Maidan, including killing police, were under the direction of politicians from these parties.
• Both Svoboda and Right Sector are associated with the Nazi Party ideology and other fascist ideologies and it is militants from these organisations that are doing the killing in Eastern Ukraine with the full support of the US. The regular Ukraine forces have in the main laid down their arms and refused to kill Ukrainians.
• When the violence started in February Obama warned Yanukovitch that the US would not tolerate him using the police or military to curb the violence. Different story that they now have their man in the Presidents chair!
• Once installed the US and the EU immediately recognised this illegal regime and within hour’s were negotiating an EU sponsored ‘rescue’ for their economy ....... with the usual austerity conditions of course.
• Russia did not invade Crimea ... they were already there and legally. They had 16000 troops as opposed to 25000 they were allowed by treaty. They flew in more which is why they took the airfield. Within days these ‘Special Forces’ had returned to Russia.
• Russia did not organise the Crimea referendum, it was the elected local government of an autonomous Crimea that set it up and it was as a result of the overwhelming support for separation from Ukraine that led to Crimea requesting for annexation by Russia.
• Russia DID go beyond the limits of the Treaty by leaving their bases and preventing the Ukraine army from doing exactly what they are doing now and by keeping them confined to barracks, no lives were lost and no property damaged or destroyed.
• Under the UN Charter all people have the right to self determination and do not need the approval of the US to exercise that right.
• The people in Eastern Ukraine are not asking for annexation to Russia but the right to decide to be an autonomous state within a Federal Ukraine. (Just like the US operates)

Sorry Robin but I must disagree.

You say that the US paid NGOs from 2004. Well that's fine, but where is your evidence that this was to promote instability in the country or a Coup?

I do not agree with any Coup anywhere, but the fact is, the US can't be blamed for every single Coup that occurs around the globe. But one thing is for sure, no matter what instability, by way of Coup or other instability, the local population and Russia DO NOT have the right to secede from the defined State that is Ukraine. The territorial Integrity and Sovereignty of this country and all others must be preserved no matter what.

The Government of the Ukraine is NOT illegal irrespective of whether there was a Coup. What you have is Constitutional Instability and Turmoil similar to what Greece experienced between 1967 and 1974. It is still the Government, whether elected or not, and no other external force has the right to intervene, invade or occupy. The Americans where blamed for the Greek Coup as well, however, it was a Greek Military Coup which the US may have only helped along, but at the end of the day it is an internal Greek Matter as was the Greek sponsored Coup in Cyprus in 1974.

Your logic seems to dictate that because you perceive something to be illegal or not right, then some action is justified by Russia, however if it we were to turn the tables and replace Russia with the US, then obviously the logic or thesis changes once again. Well if that is so, the Thai Government is also illegal, as well as dozens of other Military run and non democratic repressive regimes around the globe. Sure, there is a way of doing things if the International Community must step in and that is through the UN Security Council and General Assemblies, and any Military Action must have a use by date - and that means that no country or International Force must step into another country, and permanently occupy it.

Not yet .... but give them time they are working on it!

Their empire is a different kind of empire. Very different to every single empire in the past ranging from Alexander The Great, Roman, to the recent British Empire. Their empire is not one of Conquest. They could have done it if they wanted to, since they had the military might, but they didn't. Their empire is through Business and Commerce, and Free Trade. The Chinese either seem to be following along the same lines or they are the dragon that just lies in wait. All indications are that money talks and that is all they are worried about for the time being.

Be realistic ......... the Empire they have created has been through threats, regime change and interference in every other countries affairs using their vast military superiority as the back-up weapon. Then their banks, commerce and corporations move in and exploit the country for the benefit of the US. You are either with us or against us ........ being the motto! If you are for us then no problem we will give you money and weapons .......... if you oppose us we will blow your asses back to the stone age!

Which countries? Sure there has been some US meddling in certain situations and even the odd war, but write down all these scenarios and let's be very realistic about the extent of their meddling. They certainly have been on the back burner when compared to the Brits for instance or any other empire before that. If you ask me, the US Century has been a good one compared to the old tyrants of the past (I include Britain).

The BRICS group, Iran and others, are breaking away from the mighty dollar and dealing in other national currencies........ this will collapse the dollar eventually. The US learned after Vietnam not to conquer and occupy a nation using their own forces, they now form coalitions with their NATO partners (puppets) to create a proxy war and then put their own SOB in the Presidency. As they have in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine. You can see the peace that the residents of those same countries get from the US's humanitarian interventions!

I don't think they care what Iran does. You not exactly talking about any major economic power that is about to rock the US Dollar or Markets.

Well yeh, there was action in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria(I fail to see how the US is involved in Syria but anyway) but the fact is that the US has not permanently occupied anyone or altered their borders. Also, it was Al Qaeda and the Taliban that declared war on America. That is what happened there, which was extremely crazy on their part because for the life of me I don't believe they could be so stupid to believe that America would not go to war against them and continue to fight them into total oblivion. An attack on US soil, which is a superpower was never going to go unanswered.

I don't understand how you would expect the US NOT to embark on the Al Qaeda and Osame Bin Laden hunt. Please be realistic.

Contrary to your confident statement that ” ...... the general public is able to distinguish fiction from reality” I would suggest that exactly the opposite is true. 90+% of the general public believe what they see on TV or in the News sheets, they do not have either the capability nor the interest to seek alternative sources of information and work anything out for themselves.

That's what everyone says but the general populace is not as daft as you think and they do their own research. The Internet has been a Godsend.

BTW: The decoys you claim were released by the Ukraine Air Force jet have been determined as most likely to have been from the aircrafts fixed weapons ..... maybe 30mm cannon explosive rounds. What you see is the almost simultaneous firing of guns to the front of the aircraft, you release flares to the side/rear as it is from the rear that heat seeking missiles attack as they home in on the exhaust ..... not the front. Also, flares do not blown peoples legs off!

Fixed Cannons fire forwards through a Head Up Display. There were 3 projectiles fired from each side of the aircraft and they looked like Chaff Flare to me. But this is also an excellent opportunity for propagandists to claim that the Ukrainian Airforce bombed the general public which I do not believe they would do under any circumstance.

The CCTV camera shows the flames from the explosion going from the wooded area (R to L) into the front of the building. Going by all the tyres around there was obviously a barricade there but the victims were all civilian and predominantly female. This is a war crime and I believe the name/rank/serial number of the pilot is already known apparently.

There was a separate incident where there were light explosions from light munitions through a forrest. I was not referring to this. I was referring to the Chaff Flare which was fired from the Ukrainian Aircraft and the commentary claiming it was rocket fire against innocent civilians. That looked like a defensive action from the aircraft, probably because it was being fired upon.

[Paphitis]

And one more thing RH. You mention Afghanistan, Syria and Libya and so forth but you do not mention Egypt at least to be a little consistent.

I have some questions for you.

Was Mubarak an American Lapdog? Yes OR No answer would do.

If he wasn't then it would make sense that the US would meddle and try and assist the Autumn Spring to get rid of him.

If he was a lapdog, then why did the US assist the autumn spring and help the Egyptian people to achieve some "democracy" and bring about a Islamist Regime which the Egyptian Military can't seem to tolerate and now they are back to square one with a Military Interim Government (fancy word for dictatorship or Coup)?

There are many anomalies with US Foreign policy that no one has been able to fully explain to me at least. It might be that American politicians are just so wishy washy and are clueless with no direction as to what it is they want but I find that hard to believe as well.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis, I will answer your second post first ............

And one more thing RH. You mention Afghanistan, Syria and Libya and so forth but you do not mention Egypt at least to be a little consistent.

I deliberately omitted Egypt because I do not think the US was behind the ‘Spring’ uprising there, nor the one in Tunisia that kicked it all off. Egypt happened very quickly and I think the result caught Hilary with her knickers down! She sat on the fence for quite a few days, to see the outcome and it took the US more than just the few hours it took them to recognise the Kiev regime to recognise the Muslim Brotherhood. If you remember when the Army deposed the elected President, at the time the US would not have it called a military coup..... because it would have been illegal for them to recognise it as such and even more so to go on selling them weapons. So, my omission of Egypt was deliberate.

Was Mubarak an American Lapdog? Yes OR No answer would do.

YES

If he wasn't then it would make sense that the US would meddle and try and assist the Autumn Spring to get rid of him.

I don’t think they were involved .... it took them by surprise because it was spontaneous.

If he was a lapdog, then why did the US assist the autumn spring and help the Egyptian people to achieve some "democracy" and bring about a Islamist Regime which the Egyptian Military can't seem to tolerate and now they are back to square one with a Military Interim Government (fancy word for dictatorship or Coup)?

See above.

There are many anomalies with US Foreign policy that no one has been able to fully explain to me at least. It might be that American politicians are just so wishy washy and are clueless with no direction as to what it is they want but I find that hard to believe as well.

I agree with you US foreign policy is almost impossible to explain. I have many ideas on the subject but they are not in the context of this thread and to many of the 90+% you think are intelligent enough to work any of this out, just mention anything that is even loosely related to a New World Order or the New American Century and you are instantly in conspiracy theory territory.

[Maximus]

Have you taken the red pill Paphitis? Do you want to stay in wonderland?

Confessions of an economic hitman.

[Paphitis]

You're starting to get into the Conspiracy Theory realm Max.

Sorry but I don't see it. Why on earth would Greece be the target of these Economic Hitmen and not some other country that has a lot more to offer because Greece never really had much to begin with.

But yes I agree that Finance is a brutal business but at the end of the day, no one put a gun to Greece and forced it to borrow too much. It could have taken drastic measures a decade ago, and if they did there would be no Greek crisis today but unfortunately no Greek Government wanted to make the hard decisions which would be very unpopular.

Basically, the Greek Governments did not do what they were elected to do.

And make no mistake about it. The Greek Crisis has been the best thing that has happened to Greece. It has been an excellent wake up call. I believe it was necessary and as a result Greece will eventually be better for it but it will take some time for things to get good or even reasonable even.