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[Maximus]

her you go Paphitis,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world ... .html?_r=0

At the time, Mr. Kantas, a wiry former military officer, did not actually have the authority to decide much of anything on his own. But corruption was so rampant inside the Greek equivalent of the Pentagon that even a man of his relatively modest rank, he testified recently, was able to amass nearly $19 million in just five years on the job.

I really don't see what this has to do with the US.

Recently, German Company Siemens bribed the former PASOK Defence Minister into signing a contract to purchase 4 German Submarines and if that wasn't enough, as part of the same deal, they also bribed the AKEL Defence Minister into buying some missiles.

You all know the story.

We are as corrupt as all hell, and that has very little to do with the Americans or Germans. Fact is, this kind of thing is less likely in the US, because if you get caught, you would probably end up as someone's prison bitch!

you asked me to provide evidence that Greek officials have been bribed.

That link is a form of proof and what you have just said here and what the opinion of many is, is that the Greeks are corrupt and take bribes.

You provided the proof yourself.

Please prove and provide evidence that;
1) The Greeks did not take bribes to serve US (or German) Corporate or government interests.
2) That Greece is not heavily indebted
3) That attempt's to destabilize Greece did not take place
4) That there has not been several regime changes to find a US/EU/Troika friendly government to get "the solution" and a way out of the crisis.
5) That the brainwashed masses on the outside do not think that the Greeks are lazy, got in to the EU by cooking the books (with them complicit), contribute and produce little and deserve it.

[Paphitis]

her you go Paphitis,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world ... .html?_r=0

At the time, Mr. Kantas, a wiry former military officer, did not actually have the authority to decide much of anything on his own. But corruption was so rampant inside the Greek equivalent of the Pentagon that even a man of his relatively modest rank, he testified recently, was able to amass nearly $19 million in just five years on the job.

I really don't see what this has to do with the US.

Recently, German Company Siemens bribed the former PASOK Defence Minister into signing a contract to purchase 4 German Submarines and if that wasn't enough, as part of the same deal, they also bribed the AKEL Defence Minister into buying some missiles.

You all know the story.

We are as corrupt as all hell, and that has very little to do with the Americans or Germans. Fact is, this kind of thing is less likely in the US, because if you get caught, you would probably end up as someone's prison bitch!

you asked me to provide evidence that Greek officials have been bribed.

That link is a form of proof and what you have just said here and what the opinion of many is, is that the Greeks are corrupt and take bribes.

You provided the proof yourself.

Please disprove
1) The Greeks did not take bribes to serve US (or German) Corporate or government interests.
2) That Greece is not heavily indebted
3) That attempt's to destabilize Greece did not take place
4) That there has not been several regime changes to find a US/EU/Troika friendly government to get "the solution" and a way out of the crisis.
5) That the brainwashed masses on the outside do not think that the Greeks are lazy, got in to the EU by cooking the books (with them complicit), contribute and produce little and deserve it.

What you have shown Max is the level of corruption of high Officials in the Greek government. The article does not mention the US or any US led bribery of Greek officials, although it probably does happen.

The weakness here is Greece, for being easily corruptible, and not having proper anti fraud, and corruption processes which are adequate and which will hold people in power accountable for their actions.

Because the system in Greece has been so rotten for decades, the crisis has been a good thing because if the Troika can help Greece to clean all the shit out, then this will be the best thing for the country. The hope is, that Greece in a few years will be better and more transparent and go from strength to strength, rebuild the economy and create viable jobs for the people. That is what I hope for.

Mind you, I said that Greece has been rotten. Cyprus has been as corrupt as all hell as well.

You can't blame arms dealers for giving "incentive" in order to win Billion Dollar contracts.

An arms company like Siemens would even try to do something similar to other countries but in some in just isn't all that easy to do at all like it is in Greece or Cyprus. Hopefully with the crisis, these things will remain in the past, because literally its these deadbeat corrupt politicians that contributed significantly to their demise and these guys should be in jail.

[Maximus]

her you go Paphitis,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/world ... .html?_r=0

At the time, Mr. Kantas, a wiry former military officer, did not actually have the authority to decide much of anything on his own. But corruption was so rampant inside the Greek equivalent of the Pentagon that even a man of his relatively modest rank, he testified recently, was able to amass nearly $19 million in just five years on the job.

I really don't see what this has to do with the US.

Recently, German Company Siemens bribed the former PASOK Defence Minister into signing a contract to purchase 4 German Submarines and if that wasn't enough, as part of the same deal, they also bribed the AKEL Defence Minister into buying some missiles.

You all know the story.

We are as corrupt as all hell, and that has very little to do with the Americans or Germans. Fact is, this kind of thing is less likely in the US, because if you get caught, you would probably end up as someone's prison bitch!

you asked me to provide evidence that Greek officials have been bribed.

That link is a form of proof and what you have just said here and what the opinion of many is, is that the Greeks are corrupt and take bribes.

You provided the proof yourself.

Please disprove
1) The Greeks did not take bribes to serve US (or German) Corporate or government interests.
2) That Greece is not heavily indebted
3) That attempt's to destabilize Greece did not take place
4) That there has not been several regime changes to find a US/EU/Troika friendly government to get "the solution" and a way out of the crisis.
5) That the brainwashed masses on the outside do not think that the Greeks are lazy, got in to the EU by cooking the books (with them complicit), contribute and produce little and deserve it.

What you have shown Max is the level of corruption of high Officials in the Greek government. The article does not mention the US or any US led bribery of Greek officials, although it probably does happen.

The weakness here is Greece, for being easily corruptible, and not having proper anti fraud, and corruption processes which are adequate and which will hold people in power accountable for their actions.

Because the system in Greece has been so rotten for decades, the crisis has been a good thing because if the Troika can help Greece to clean all the shit out, then this will be the best thing for the country. The hope is, that Greece in a few years will be better and more transparent and go from strength to strength, rebuild the economy and create viable jobs for the people. That is what I hope for.

Mind you, I said that Greece has been rotten. Cyprus has been as corrupt as all hell as well.

You can't blame arms dealers for giving "incentive" in order to win Billion Dollar contracts.

An arms company like Siemens would even try to do something similar to other countries but in some in just isn't all that easy to do at all like it is in Greece or Cyprus. Hopefully with the crisis, these things will remain in the past, because literally its these deadbeat corrupt politicians that contributed significantly to their demise and these guys should be in jail.

It still does not register with you,

no bribe = no corruption = no US/EU/IMF/Troika friendly government = cant inflate them and bring them down with debt = send in the jackals = destabilization + death + fear = give us what we want or we kill some more = regime change = solution = more debt = we want privatizations, our companies to move in, your resources and your jobs.

[Maximus]

Maybe,

So why would he do this?

A) he doesn't want the military to intervene so he can continue perverting the constitution and being corrupt.
B) he is planning to go against the US's interests and doesn't want the military to corrupted and used against him by outsiders.
C) The US doesn't want the military to dispose of him because he is a useful tool for their interests so they changed it in cahoots with Erdogan to keep him in power..

I am not absolutely sure I understand what you are saying but I think his call for the army to unite with him was so they would not use the opening to get rid of him for what he did to them rather than the US corrupting the army, although that might have a smaller significance. If what the conspiracy is saying is true then that would have been the best thing to do anyway. Close ranks and shut the US out. Erdogan might have finally realised that the system Ataturk put in place was the best defence after all.

The US (the allies) created the image of Ataturk, Turkey and Turkey's system. You cant shut them out without shutting down Turkey.

Not sure they were that powerful then but maybe??

Who do you think created Turkey and gave them their alphabet and tourism revenue from the likes of the Ayia Sophia which trickles back to their own economies?

[Paphitis]

It still does not register with you,

no bribe = no corruption = no US/EU/IMF/Troika friendly government = cant inflate them and bring them down with debt = send in the jackals = destabilization + death + fear = give us what we want or we kill some more = regime change = solution = more debt = we want privatizations, our companies to move in, your resources and your jobs.

Really sorry but it does not compute.

Adults need to be responsible for themselves.

Governments also need to be responsible.

There is no excuse for utter stupidity!

[Maximus]

It still does not register with you,

no bribe = no corruption = no US/EU/IMF/Troika friendly government = cant inflate them and bring them down with debt = send in the jackals = destabilization + death + fear = give us what we want or we kill some more = regime change = solution = more debt = we want privatizations, our companies to move in, your resources and your jobs.

Really sorry but it does not compute.

Adults need to be responsible for themselves.

Governments also need to be responsible.

There is no excuse for utter stupidity!

That's fair enough. Then what do you say when the jackals move in, destabilize your country, kill your citizens and put a bounty on your head?

Will you make it all go away by taking 20 odd million for yourself, indebting your country to them and doing what they want.

[Paphitis]

It still does not register with you,

no bribe = no corruption = no US/EU/IMF/Troika friendly government = cant inflate them and bring them down with debt = send in the jackals = destabilization + death + fear = give us what we want or we kill some more = regime change = solution = more debt = we want privatizations, our companies to move in, your resources and your jobs.

Really sorry but it does not compute.

Adults need to be responsible for themselves.

Governments also need to be responsible.

There is no excuse for utter stupidity!

That's fair enough. Then what do you say when the jackals move in, destabilize your country, kill your citizens and put a bounty on your head?

You can make it all go away though by taking 20 odd million for yourself, indebting your country and doing what they want.

Not possible.

Haven't experienced jackals coming in to destabilize a country.

[Maximus]

It still does not register with you,

no bribe = no corruption = no US/EU/IMF/Troika friendly government = cant inflate them and bring them down with debt = send in the jackals = destabilization + death + fear = give us what we want or we kill some more = regime change = solution = more debt = we want privatizations, our companies to move in, your resources and your jobs.

Really sorry but it does not compute.

Adults need to be responsible for themselves.

Governments also need to be responsible.

There is no excuse for utter stupidity!

That's fair enough. Then what do you say when the jackals move in, destabilize your country, kill your citizens and put a bounty on your head?

You can make it all go away though by taking 20 odd million for yourself, indebting your country and doing what they want.

Not possible.

Haven't experienced jackals coming in to destabilize a country.

So what would you do if you was Assad? or the former president of Ukraine? Or Makarios?

[Paphitis]

It still does not register with you,

no bribe = no corruption = no US/EU/IMF/Troika friendly government = cant inflate them and bring them down with debt = send in the jackals = destabilization + death + fear = give us what we want or we kill some more = regime change = solution = more debt = we want privatizations, our companies to move in, your resources and your jobs.

Really sorry but it does not compute.

Adults need to be responsible for themselves.

Governments also need to be responsible.

There is no excuse for utter stupidity!

That's fair enough. Then what do you say when the jackals move in, destabilize your country, kill your citizens and put a bounty on your head?

You can make it all go away though by taking 20 odd million for yourself, indebting your country and doing what they want.

Not possible.

Haven't experienced jackals coming in to destabilize a country.

So what would you do if you was Assad? or the former president of Ukraine? Or Makarios?

I wouldn't want to be the former president of Ukraine. What he was doing would be deemed treachery and even the Australian Military has the Death penalty by firing squad for persons that betray their country to serve the interests of another power.

You couldn't get any lower than that!

If I was Assad, I would use the Syrian Military to urgently drop food parcels, medicines, clothing and blankets down to all the poor children and refugees that are starving. that would be the first thing I do, and I bet I would win many friends in doing so and defeat the insurgency.

If I was Makarios, I would realize that politics is not my forte, resign and stick to religious matters.

[Maximus]

So basically, you are not blaming the economic hitman or the jackels or the source of where this problem has come from but, the stupidity of corrupt Greeks because they are not doing like you would do or what Assad is doing?