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[Pyrpolizer]

I am searching to find ethnic groups that consist of people that speak different languages (not just dialects) and have totally different religions (not just Sunni/Shia situation) and I can't find any. I believe I read about 1 such case somewhere but I forgot what it is! I am really perplexed as to how some think that people of different language AND religion can be of the same ethnic group and believe that it is just a matter of some textbooks to make this happen!

It's not the whatever degenerated ethnicity of any local group that's going to be built through education. It's the NATIONALITY.Big difference!

[Pyrpolizer]

s.

Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a German ethnic group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrians

You should have read the whole thing not just the first line:

"Austrians have developed their own distinct national identity and do not consider themselves to be ethnic Germans,regardless of being so genetically".
In Cyprus we don't even have enough evidence the majority of us are even genetically Greek

They are what they were *told* to be at school repeatedly during their 12 most vulnerable years when they absorbed information like a sponges.

Ethnicity is man-made and you can assign whatever label you want to whomever you want if there’s a political gain to be made, and there’s nothing that such victims like Sotos can do but obey, for they know no other way. He was caught out at his most vulnerable and now he’s stuck with it.

It takes enormous strength and intelligence to break from political shackles and seek reality but these are very rare qualities that most don’t have.

Reh pelle, I fully agree with you

[GreekIslandGirl]

Imo you are a victim of decades of education and religious brainwashing designed for you by some elitists..

Who designs the education syllabus in [u]all other western countries if not 'some elitists'? [/u]

Who decides on literary canons? Who defines the science that's of use?

Personally, I'm baffled as to what you are driving at.

True to create a new generation of robots that will serve the interests of those elitists.

And yet some elitists hope people will become more civilised through being given an education. After all, education wasn't always available. It was wealthy benefactors (eiltists or early Greek philosophers) who decided everyone should benefit. Now you have a problem with that? Sure, question the content - that's what education enables you to do - but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater just because you want to please the invaders.

The difference between them and ours is that the interests of ours were at some stage linked with those of the mainland Greeks.
Not anymore.

That's all anyone is claiming - historic links which have continued to this day for the majority. Of course, some "super-elitists" wish to sever links and start again. Which way is better? Slow change and people-driven diversification or abrupt dictatorial enforcement such as that practiced by the Imperialist Turks and Brits? Greece isn't trying to change us - there might be some continuation interests; and that makes sense.

Claiming that you are Greek, while not even living in the Greek state, while you often have conflicts of interests, while you speak distorted Greek with Turkish accent, while 75%+ of you look more like Arabs than Greeks, while your way of thinking differs, while your everyday habits differ, can only lead to confused personalities.The best thing that describes us is Kypreoi.Yes we are 100% of that.

These generalizations don't mean a thing.
You don't lose your ethnic make-up just because you use airplanes and fly around the world.
Regional accents are common anywhere and they sound different to the standard form of the language - big deal! It's the core language that matters.
The way people look is a matter of taste and more often than not simply down to how much sunshine you have exposed yourself to.

You have a case, but it's weak.

[Sotos]

Imo you are a victim of decades of education and religious brainwashing designed for you by some elitists..

Who designs the education syllabus in [u]all other western countries if not 'some elitists'? [/u]

Who decides on literary canons? Who defines the science that's of use?

Personally, I'm baffled as to what you are driving at.

True to create a new generation of robots that will serve the interests of those elitists.
The difference between them and ours is that the interests of ours were at some stage linked with those of the mainland Greeks.
Not anymore.
Claiming that you are Greek, while not even living in the Greek state, while you often have conflicts of interests, while you speak distorted Greek with Turkish accent, while 75%+ of you look more like Arabs than Greeks, while your way of thinking differs, while your everyday habits differ, can only lead to confused personalities.The best thing that describes us is Kypreoi.Yes we are 100% of that.
I could digest it though instead of calling yourself Greek to call it ErmmmGreek.

Needless to say that I have exactly the same view for the TCs. ErmmmTurk could be digestible as well.

You are talking bullshit again Our accent has nothing to do with Turkish. Our dialect is a Greek dialect and is similar to other Greek dialects. Many languages have dialects... nothing so special with Greek. And what is the current arrangement of borders is irrelevant. Ethnic groups existed long before any countries were created and borders changed lots of times since. The change of borders rarely changes the identity of ethnic groups.. unless we are talking about minorities which are assimilated or some top-down elitist attempt to change the ethnicity of people which usually fails... like the Yugoslav ethnicity.

[Sotos]

s.

Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a German ethnic group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrians

You should have read the whole thing not just the first line:

"Austrians have developed their own distinct national identity and do not consider themselves to be ethnic Germans,regardless of being so genetically".
In Cyprus we don't even have enough evidence the majority of us are even genetically Greek

And still "Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a German ethnic group" Which goes to show that maybe you can change the label but you can't change the fact. I understand the Austrians wanting to change the label since the word "German" was such a negative word right after WWII... even Hitler was from Austria.

[Sotos]

s.

Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a German ethnic group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrians

You should have read the whole thing not just the first line:

"Austrians have developed their own distinct national identity and do not consider themselves to be ethnic Germans,regardless of being so genetically".
In Cyprus we don't even have enough evidence the majority of us are even genetically Greek

They are what they were *told* to be at school repeatedly during their 12 most vulnerable years when they absorbed information like sponges.

Ethnicity is man-made and you can assign whatever label you want to whomever you want if there’s a political gain to be made, and there’s nothing that such victims like Sotos can do but obey, for they know no other way. He was caught out at his most vulnerable and now he’s stuck with it.

It takes enormous strength and intelligence to break from political shackles and seek reality but these are very rare qualities that most don’t have.

The difference is that the "man-made" ethnicity of Greeks was created 1000s of years ago to represent people who shared a common language, culture and religion, while the man-made ethnicity of "Cypriots" is something that was created in the 20th century in the minds of a few people and never gained any popular support because it is close to impossible to create a single ethnicity by people of different language and religion.

[Sotos]

I am searching to find ethnic groups that consist of people that speak different languages (not just dialects) and have totally different religions (not just Sunni/Shia situation) and I can't find any. I believe I read about 1 such case somewhere but I forgot what it is! I am really perplexed as to how some think that people of different language AND religion can be of the same ethnic group and believe that it is just a matter of some textbooks to make this happen!

It's not the whatever degenerated ethnicity of any local group that's going to be built through education. It's the NATIONALITY.Big difference!

In that case that nation is made by different ethnic groups. So how is that any different from what I say: A multi-ethnic country? So all you want is change some labels? As the saying goes "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

[Oceanside50]

how about lebanon?

[Cap]

s.

Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a German ethnic group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrians

You should have read the whole thing not just the first line:

"Austrians have developed their own distinct national identity and do not consider themselves to be ethnic Germans,regardless of being so genetically".
In Cyprus we don't even have enough evidence the majority of us are even genetically Greek

They are what they were *told* to be at school repeatedly during their 12 most vulnerable years when they absorbed information like sponges.

Ethnicity is man-made and you can assign whatever label you want to whomever you want if there’s a political gain to be made, and there’s nothing that such victims like Sotos can do but obey, for they know no other way. He was caught out at his most vulnerable and now he’s stuck with it.

It takes enormous strength and intelligence to break from political shackles and seek reality but these are very rare qualities that most don’t have.

which creates a lot of confusion amongst foreigners.

I've been asked what would happen if Cyprus converted back to the Drachma.
The look on their face when you tell them Cyprus has never in its history used the drachma as a currency..

[Pyrpolizer]

You don't lose your ethnic make-up just because you use airplanes and fly around the world.
Regional accents are common anywhere and they sound different to the standard form of the language - big deal! It's the core language that matters.
The way people look is a matter of taste and more often than not simply down to how much sunshine you have exposed yourself to.

You have a case, but it's weak.

I will reply to this only as I already presented my views on the rest.
Let's call it a dialect then.You cannot deny the fact that it cannot be written or read with the existing Greek Alphabet, you cannot deny the fact that the mainland Greeks can't understand what you are saying.You my say that this is common to all dialects in the world which might be true.
The question is how did this dialect come up? Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language? Can you deny the fact that the degree by which any dialect differs from the original language is actually the degree by which the ethnicity has degenerated?
Now look at some of today's figures. Do you know that the original GCs today-what I call Kypreoi are only 600K whereas the population is nearly one million? You may wonder what the remaining 400K are. Well at least half of them are Russians, Bulgarians Romanians etc. Most of them send their children to public schools. Within 20 years we will have a new additive of "GCs" who will be speaking "Greek" with another distorted accent. It's happening already! How long do you think will it take for all of them to be claiming they are Greek like Sotos does today?
Do you know the vast majority of the so called "Veroi Lefkosiates" are actually ex-Venetians? My mother in law was one... Same with those of Varoshia.
Then how about the Maronites in Cyprus? Can anyone today claim his ethnicity is Lebanese? In a couple of generations they will all be "Greek" like Sotos