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[GreekIslandGirl]

..the link with Greece will become severed over time..

Only a Turk would expect this. Most Europeans want stronger links.

Stronger ties with someone less useless maybe?
Britain? France? Germany?

Why would Britain, France or Germany be interested in "little Cyprus" aside from the much lauded Greece?

You simply haven't a clue!

[Get Real!]

Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.

Irrelevant. Crete has similar unique words compared to Athens Greek. Yorkshire English has even more unique words than Standard London English. So what? These are recognised variations and increase relationships not diminish them.

When was your education so severely truncated? Aussie times?

You're making it up as you go along... neither Crete nor your Yorkshire puddings have unique words... not even in their dozens let alone hundreds.

[Oceanside50]

Go and visit every other island that calls itself Greek and you will notice their dialect resembles that of Cyprus. I think your mistake in making your assertion is that your theory is backwards. The Cretan/Cypriot dialect is Greek and has its roots in Ancient Greek.. The language spoken on the mainland is Greek but different.. The language the Greek church uses when speaking in church is also Greek and different, I as a Greek from the diaspora understand a priest better then a Greek newscast in Greece or Cyprus, I also can read a book in katherovousa but have a hard time with a newspaper in Greek and it all makes sense to me... I hope that helps you. But you seem to understand and make generalities...about Greeks and their language/s..e..s etc..

Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.

Do you understand Cypriot or are you some Kalamaras farting from a distance?

a diasporic Cypriot about to eat a good fassoulada..

Kalamaras farting from a distance?

soon you'll will know how far my farts can travel...

[GreekIslandGirl]

Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.

Irrelevant. Crete has similar unique words compared to Athens Greek. Yorkshire English has even more unique words than Standard London English. So what? These are recognised variations and increase relationships not diminish them.

When was your education so severely truncated? Aussie times?

You're making it up as you go along... neither Crete nor your Yorkshire puddings have unique words... not even in their dozens let alone hundreds.

And this is why I, a mere peasant, am more knowledgeable than you!

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... _words.htm

[Pyrpolizer]

The question is how did this dialect come up? Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language? Can you deny the fact that the degree by which any dialect differs from the original language is actually the degree by which the ethnicity has degenerated?

Can you deny that you have no clue and you are talking bullshit? All languages evolve over time and the original Greek is the Greek spoken many 1000s of years ago... not the dialect that they speak in Athens. The "standard" Greek is as far from ancient Greek as the Cypriot dialect is. In fact the Cypriot dialect might be closer to the original ancient Greek that the "standard" Greek.

Geminate consonants. Most Modern Greek varieties have lost the distinctively long (geminate) consonants found in Ancient Greek. However, the dialects of the south-eastern islands, including Cyprus, have preserved them, and even extended them to new environments such as word-initial positions. Thus, the word <ναι> 'yes' is pronounced with a distinctively long initial [nː] in Cypriot, and there are minimal pairs such as <φύλλο> [ˈfilːo] 'leaf' vs. <φύλο> [ˈfilo] 'gender', which are pronounced exactly the same in other dialects but distinguished by consonant length in Cypriot.

Final /n/. Most Modern Greek varieties have lost word-final -n, once a part of many inflectional suffixes of Ancient Greek, in all but very few grammatical words. The south-eastern islands have preserved it in many words (e.g. [ˈipen] vs. standard [ˈipe] he said; [tiˈrin] vs. standard [tiˈri] 'cheese').

... and Cypriot dialect is similar to other Greek dialects...

Palatalisation. Standard Greek has an allophonic alternation between velar consonants ([k], [ɡ], [x], [ɣ]) and palatalised counterparts (([c], [ɟ], [ç], [ʝ]) before front vowels (/i/, /e/). In southern dialects, the palatalisation goes further towards affricates (e.g. [tʃe] vs. standard [ce] 'and'). Subtypes can be distinguished that have either palato-alveolar ([tʃ], [dʒ], [ʃ], [ʒ]) or alveolo-palatal sounds ([tɕ], [dʑ], [ɕ], [ʑ]). The former are reported for Cyprus, the latter for Crete, among others.

inda? versus ti? In Standard Greek, the interrogative pronoun what? is ti. In most of the Aegean Islands (except at its geographical fringe: Rhodes in the south-east, Lemnos, Thasos and the Sporades in the north; and Andros in the west) as well as on Cyprus, it is inda.

Medial fricative deletion. Some dialects of the Aegean Islands, especially in the Dodecanese, have a tendency of deleting intervocalic voiced fricatives /v/, /ð/, /ɣ/ (e.g. [meˈalo] vs. standard [meˈɣalo] 'big')

(it is not mentioned in the article, but in Cypriot dialect it is also "mealo" and the "g" is not pronounced)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Modern_Greek

Now look at some of today's figures. Do you know that the original GCs today-what I call Kypreoi are only 600K whereas the population is nearly one million? You may wonder what the remaining 400K are. Well at least half of them are Russians, Bulgarians Romanians etc. Most of them send their children to public schools. Within 20 years we will have a new additive of "GCs" who will be speaking "Greek" with another distorted accent. It's happening already! How long do you think will it take for all of them to be claiming they are Greek like Sotos does today?

If they want, in 2-3 generations max they will also be Greek and they will not have "another distorted accent". Their accent will be EXACTLY like the rest of us. Isn't this what happens EVERYWHERE?

Sure. Because today's Greeks are Germanosporoi. And we are I don't know. So how's your common ethnicity thingy valid TODAY?
Oh I forgot yes we are Greeks and that's proved because the Cypriot dialect has preserved the stressing of 2 consonants that was used in ancient Greek 2-3 THOUSAND YEARS AGO. Keep on painting yourself Greek choosing any colors you like.

I repeat: The dialect itself is PROOF that the original language was adapted to suit the mother language of other people of quite different ethnicity. The mainland Greek language today is equal PROOF that they have nothing to do with the original Greeks.
In a nutshell the only way to be ethnically the same people, is to have some lunatics like you pulling our pricks from the age of 6 until we believe it.
in the meantime keep on training the children of those Bulgarians, Russians, and Romanians until they become Greekin 2-3 generations -if they want it of course

[Get Real!]

Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.

Irrelevant. Crete has similar unique words compared to Athens Greek. Yorkshire English has even more unique words than Standard London English. So what? These are recognised variations and increase relationships not diminish them.

When was your education so severely truncated? Aussie times?

You're making it up as you go along... neither Crete nor your Yorkshire puddings have unique words... not even in their dozens let alone hundreds.

And this is why I, a mere peasant, am more knowledgeable than you!

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... _words.htm

Most of those are standard English words used as metaphors!

[Get Real!]

How ridiculous!

beck=stream , brook

belt=hit, thrash

band=rope, string

[Sotos]

And most of the "Cypriot words" are actually Greek words which are just pronounced slightly differently (like sometimes making a "sh" sound for "Χ"), and many of those pronunciation differences are not even unique to Cyprus but appear in other Greek island also. The truly unique Cypriot words which are used over the whole island are maybe a 1000.. which are nothing when you consider that Greek has over a million words (so less than 0.1%). It is not strange at all for a region to have some words of its own ... otherwise we should call "Paphian" a separate language also because it has several words that are used only in Paphos!

I repeat: The dialect itself is PROOF that the original language was adapted to suit the mother language of other people of quite different ethnicity. The mainland Greek language today is equal PROOF that they have nothing to do with the original Greeks.

What you repeat is bullshit. What people spoke in Cyprus 3000 years ago was ancient Greek, the Arcadocypriot dialect. The dialect that we speak today is the result of our language evolving over time, often in isolation from the rest of Greece. Nothing to do with any "mother language" or any other bullshit you MAKE UP because it is more than clear you have NOT studied the subject at all and you write whatever bullshit comes to your head

Arcadocypriot or southern Achaean was an ancient Greek dialect spoken in Arcadia in the central Peloponnese and in Cyprus. Its resemblance to Mycenaean Greek, as it is known from the Linear B corpus, suggests that Arcadocypriot is its descendant. Proto-Arcadocypriot (~1200 BC) is supposed to have been spoken by Achaeans in the Peloponnese before the arrival of Dorians; for this, it is also called southern Achaean. The isoglosses of the Cypriot and Arcadian dialects testify that the Achaeans had settled in Cyprus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadocypriot_Greek

[GreekIslandGirl]

Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.

Irrelevant. Crete has similar unique words compared to Athens Greek. Yorkshire English has even more unique words than Standard London English. So what? These are recognised variations and increase relationships not diminish them.

When was your education so severely truncated? Aussie times?

You're making it up as you go along... neither Crete nor your Yorkshire puddings have unique words... not even in their dozens let alone hundreds.

And this is why I, a mere peasant, am more knowledgeable than you!

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... _words.htm

Most of those are standard English words used as metaphors!

Right, so, a different word to describe the same thing. Hey presto, there's your dialect!

[boomerang]

Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language?

can you deny that you really don't know anything about Greeks and who they are? Can you deny that all of this condescending rhetoric towards Greeks is all about your bewilderment of what is Greek?

ocean he is correct in what he said...don't go too far back, just have a listen to lordo's dialect...

something you people do not like to admit, is the colonization of cyprus must have been brutal for us to adopt...because since then the rest of the colonizers while themselves brutal, we kept what we were taught from the early greeks...