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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:59 pm

Sotos wrote:
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Sotos wrote:I am searching to find ethnic groups that consist of people that speak different languages (not just dialects) and have totally different religions (not just Sunni/Shia situation) and I can't find any. I believe I read about 1 such case somewhere but I forgot what it is! I am really perplexed as to how some think that people of different language AND religion can be of the same ethnic group and believe that it is just a matter of some textbooks to make this happen!


It's not the whatever degenerated ethnicity of any local group that's going to be built through education. It's the NATIONALITY.Big difference!


In that case that nation is made by different ethnic groups. So how is that any different from what I say: A multi-ethnic country? So all you want is change some labels? As the saying goes "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"


Not from different ethnic groups. From degenerated over the centuries ethnic groups that have more things in common than they have with the original ethnic group.
Can't you see the difference? :P

Of course you can't. Otherwise you wouldn't go back to Ottoman times all the time to make a point.
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:21 pm

Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language?


can you deny that you really don't know anything about Greeks and who they are? Can you deny that all of this condescending rhetoric towards Greeks is all about your bewilderment of what is Greek?
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:49 pm

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Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language?


can you deny that you really don't know anything about Greeks and who they are? Can you deny that all of this condescending rhetoric towards Greeks is all about your bewilderment of what is Greek?


Yes I can. Prove me wrong. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Sotos » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:58 pm

The question is how did this dialect come up? Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language? Can you deny the fact that the degree by which any dialect differs from the original language is actually the degree by which the ethnicity has degenerated?


Can you deny that you have no clue and you are talking bullshit? :lol: All languages evolve over time and the original Greek is the Greek spoken many 1000s of years ago... not the dialect that they speak in Athens. The "standard" Greek is as far from ancient Greek as the Cypriot dialect is. In fact the Cypriot dialect might be closer to the original ancient Greek that the "standard" Greek.

Geminate consonants. Most Modern Greek varieties have lost the distinctively long (geminate) consonants found in Ancient Greek. However, the dialects of the south-eastern islands, including Cyprus, have preserved them, and even extended them to new environments such as word-initial positions. Thus, the word <ναι> 'yes' is pronounced with a distinctively long initial [nː] in Cypriot, and there are minimal pairs such as <φύλλο> [ˈfilːo] 'leaf' vs. <φύλο> [ˈfilo] 'gender', which are pronounced exactly the same in other dialects but distinguished by consonant length in Cypriot.


Final /n/. Most Modern Greek varieties have lost word-final -n, once a part of many inflectional suffixes of Ancient Greek, in all but very few grammatical words. The south-eastern islands have preserved it in many words (e.g. [ˈipen] vs. standard [ˈipe] he said; [tiˈrin] vs. standard [tiˈri] 'cheese').


... and Cypriot dialect is similar to other Greek dialects...

Palatalisation. Standard Greek has an allophonic alternation between velar consonants ([k], [ɡ], [x], [ɣ]) and palatalised counterparts (([c], [ɟ], [ç], [ʝ]) before front vowels (/i/, /e/). In southern dialects, the palatalisation goes further towards affricates (e.g. [tʃe] vs. standard [ce] 'and'). Subtypes can be distinguished that have either palato-alveolar ([tʃ], [dʒ], [ʃ], [ʒ]) or alveolo-palatal sounds ([tɕ], [dʑ], [ɕ], [ʑ]). The former are reported for Cyprus, the latter for Crete, among others.


inda? versus ti? In Standard Greek, the interrogative pronoun what? is ti. In most of the Aegean Islands (except at its geographical fringe: Rhodes in the south-east, Lemnos, Thasos and the Sporades in the north; and Andros in the west) as well as on Cyprus, it is inda.


Medial fricative deletion. Some dialects of the Aegean Islands, especially in the Dodecanese, have a tendency of deleting intervocalic voiced fricatives /v/, /ð/, /ɣ/ (e.g. [meˈalo] vs. standard [meˈɣalo] 'big')

(it is not mentioned in the article, but in Cypriot dialect it is also "mealo" and the "g" is not pronounced)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Modern_Greek

Now look at some of today's figures. Do you know that the original GCs today-what I call Kypreoi are only 600K whereas the population is nearly one million? You may wonder what the remaining 400K are. Well at least half of them are Russians, Bulgarians Romanians etc. Most of them send their children to public schools. Within 20 years we will have a new additive of "GCs" who will be speaking "Greek" with another distorted accent. It's happening already! How long do you think will it take for all of them to be claiming they are Greek like Sotos does today?


If they want, in 2-3 generations max they will also be Greek and they will not have "another distorted accent". Their accent will be EXACTLY like the rest of us. Isn't this what happens EVERYWHERE?
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Cap » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:15 pm

No, they'll all become 'Cypriot' eventually because the link with Greece will become severed over time.
Since most foreigners in Cyprus have no affiliation to Greece, their private English, Russian, American schools don't have the standard Greek curriculum which all the government schools have.
They bring with them foreign culture and the combination of intermingling and interbreeding with the locals will create a homegrown culture unique to Cyprus.

The sad thing for Greek and Turkish nationalists is, that with the advent of the internet, easy travelling abroad has opened the eyes of a lot of Cyps and foreigners.
It's much harder these days to sell the Cyprus is Greek or Turkish ideology to the masses and to foreigners.
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:53 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:
Can you deny the fact that it came up from people who tried to adapt it to their own mother language?


can you deny that you really don't know anything about Greeks and who they are? Can you deny that all of this condescending rhetoric towards Greeks is all about your bewilderment of what is Greek?


Yes I can. Prove me wrong. :lol: :lol:


Go and visit every other island that calls itself Greek and you will notice their dialect resembles that of Cyprus. I think your mistake in making your assertion is that your theory is backwards. The Cretan/Cypriot dialect is Greek and has its roots in Ancient Greek.. The language spoken on the mainland is Greek but different.. The language the Greek church uses when speaking in church is also Greek and different, I as a Greek from the diaspora understand a priest better then a Greek newscast in Greece or Cyprus, I also can read a book in katherovousa but have a hard time with a newspaper in Greek and it all makes sense to me... I hope that helps you. But you seem to understand and make generalities...about Greeks and their language/s..e..s etc..
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:32 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Go and visit every other island that calls itself Greek and you will notice their dialect resembles that of Cyprus. I think your mistake in making your assertion is that your theory is backwards. The Cretan/Cypriot dialect is Greek and has its roots in Ancient Greek.. The language spoken on the mainland is Greek but different.. The language the Greek church uses when speaking in church is also Greek and different, I as a Greek from the diaspora understand a priest better then a Greek newscast in Greece or Cyprus, I also can read a book in katherovousa but have a hard time with a newspaper in Greek and it all makes sense to me... I hope that helps you. But you seem to understand and make generalities...about Greeks and their language/s..e..s etc..

Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.

Do you understand Cypriot or are you some Kalamaras farting from a distance?
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:47 pm

Cap wrote:..the link with Greece will become severed over time..


Only a Turk would expect this. Most Europeans want stronger links.
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:52 pm

Get Real! wrote:Utter rubbish! I've posted a list of hundreds of unique Cypriot words plenty of times here.


Irrelevant. Crete has similar unique words compared to Athens Greek. Yorkshire English has even more unique words than Standard London English. So what? These are recognised variations and increase relationships not diminish them.

When was your education so severely truncated? Aussie times?
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Re: Are Germans Alien to Earth?

Postby Cap » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:52 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Cap wrote:..the link with Greece will become severed over time..


Only a Turk would expect this. Most Europeans want stronger links.


Stronger ties with someone less useless maybe?
Britain? France? Germany?
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