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[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, there is a big difference with "you" and you, a big difference between a "Turk" and a Turk, there is a big difference between a "Greek" and a Greek as well. Left, Right, Capitalist, Communist, it does not begin to describe the range of Persons, Male and Female, we can be, as Cypriots.

First we must be Cypriots.

And as Cypriots, members of a larger family as Human beings, Hatred does nothing toward the Peace we wish to share without a common objective to which it can be projected.
What have we learned, Lest we Forget, if we cannot fight with each other lovingly, against bigger enemies than ourselves.

...yes, isn't it ironic, that we are here "defending", "Greekness", or "Turkishness", as "Greeks", Greeks, "Turks", Turks, and others including Cypriots, in English.

...a school, if it wants to can teach, local history and culture, such a syllabus at an early stage in education would obviously be useful to the children who grow up knowing better, themselves (and the neighbourhood they live in). Children in High School and College, may learn other History, their Country's History, and the World, in University, if they choose to, imagine what a wealth of information would exist, to research, if schools organised themselves with their specific locality in mind. Imagine what Cypriots could talk about amongst themselves, after receiving such an education, so close to the land.

[insan]

Most of us don't have a problem with our identity. Stop wrecking Cyprus with your own insecurities because as GR! says, you will have the Turks, who never question theirs, soon obliterate ours!

Who cares what dialect of Greek you speak? There are as many dialects as there are towns!

Not true... we care about our Turkic dialect very much... there are tens of academic works on richness and uniqueness of our dialect among other Turkic dialects... and there are hundreds of books about TC lingual culture...

Furthermore we have 2 FB pages where we practice writing our labguage how we speak, not in standard Turkish... we have at least 10 FB pages that ten thousands of TCs share their knowledge and experiences regarding TC culture of past and present... when it comes to obliteration of your dialect by Turks; obviously your Turkophobia has no boundaries... Actually knowledge is really a power that erases almost al fears inside one's mind... you are very knowledged on many issues.. except Turks... that's why you have such exaggerated fears regarding Turks...

[GreekIslandGirl]

Most of us don't have a problem with our identity. Stop wrecking Cyprus with your own insecurities because as GR! says, you will have the Turks, who never question theirs, soon obliterate ours!

Who cares what dialect of Greek you speak? There are as many dialects as there are towns!

Not true... we care about our Turkic dialect very much... there are tens of academic works on richness and uniqueness of our dialect among other Turkic dialects... and there are hundreds of books about TC lingual culture...

Furthermore we have 2 FB pages where we practice writing our labguage how we speak, not in standard Turkish... we have at least 10 FB pages that ten thousands of TCs share their knowledge and experiences regarding TC culture of past and present... when it comes to obliteration of your dialect by Turks; obviously your Turkophobia has no boundaries... Actually knowledge is really a power that erases almost al fears inside one's mind... you are very knowledged on many issues.. except Turks... that's why you have such exaggerated fears regarding Turks...

You've just proved my point, insan.

The phrase 'never question' means you have no doubts. You are certain, proud and unquestioning of your given diktat. Facts are irrelevant. You have your stated history and you better accept it. Turkishness cannot be insulted. You see?

Greeks on the other hand are always searching for some 'hidden truth' that they feel is being denied them. We 'doubt. We are 'uncertain'. This is because we have so much rich history whereas Turkish history is new and based on that of others so has to be indoctrinated.

Our enemy knows our questioning methods and stirs the pot. We have to protect what we have as we see it eroded by the Turkish Military stomping its way through the occupied areas.

Do you get it?

[tsukoui]

GIG, Turkish does not have grammar, it has vowel harmony, sounds scary right?

[GreekIslandGirl]

There is nothing 'harmonious' about spoken Turkish.

[insan]

And you speak both the Cypriot dialect and standard Greek as well. So what is your problem exactly? You want the Cypriot dialect to be taught at schools? In order to do that first we would have to create a new standard, because even within the Cypriot dialects there are variations. For example what would be the correct way to write and pronounce the word "τσάντα"? In Limassol with Cypriot dialect we pronounce that "chanta", in Nicosia they say "tsenta". Which one is it going to be the official standard way? You will again have the case where your language is not exactly the same as the official language and at school you will be expected to write things in the official "correct" way. And even if we would agree to a "standard Cypriot", in what way would this be useful? Tell me ONE thing we would gain. On the contrary we would have a lot to lose because our kids will not know standard Greek as good. That would make it harder for them to get positions at the Greek universities, it would make trade with Greece harder etc.

This Persian rooted word exists in our dialect too... the people of rural areas pronounce it as çenta but urban areas pronounce it as çanta... there are some general charasteristics of every dialect... there are some general characteristics unique to regions and there are variations of pronounciations according to this and that... it can easily and scientifically be categorized as any language... and it can be taught in schools... it's not an obstacle to learn and use standard language as good as other who only know the standard language...

[tsukoui]

There is nothing 'harmonious' about spoken Turkish.

Do you think spoken Turkish? Iyi bet nam.

[Sotos]

And you speak both the Cypriot dialect and standard Greek as well. So what is your problem exactly? You want the Cypriot dialect to be taught at schools? In order to do that first we would have to create a new standard, because even within the Cypriot dialects there are variations. For example what would be the correct way to write and pronounce the word "τσάντα"? In Limassol with Cypriot dialect we pronounce that "chanta", in Nicosia they say "tsenta". Which one is it going to be the official standard way? You will again have the case where your language is not exactly the same as the official language and at school you will be expected to write things in the official "correct" way. And even if we would agree to a "standard Cypriot", in what way would this be useful? Tell me ONE thing we would gain. On the contrary we would have a lot to lose because our kids will not know standard Greek as good. That would make it harder for them to get positions at the Greek universities, it would make trade with Greece harder etc.

This Persian rooted word exists in our dialect too... the people of rural areas pronounce it as çenta but urban areas pronounce it as çanta... there are some general charasteristics of every dialect... there are some general characteristics unique to regions and there are variations of pronounciations according to this and that... it can easily and scientifically be categorized as any language... and it can be taught in schools... it's not an obstacle to learn and use standard language as good as other who only know the standard language...

I didn't know that this was a Persian word that came to Greek through Turkish. In any case I am glad that the version we are using is closer to the original But that is besides the point. The point is that in schools you have to teach a standardized language. That standard will inevitably be somewhat different than the actual language of many people. So if say the dialect spoken in Nicosia in 2015 is standardized as the "Cypriot language" then somebody from Paphos would again feel like DrCyprus when his own dialect is considered "incorrect" and "villagey".

[erolz66]

The phrase 'never question' means you have no doubts. You are certain, proud and unquestioning of your given diktat. Facts are irrelevant. You have your stated history and you better accept it. [Greekness] cannot be insulted.

This is an exact description of how you have consistently behaved on this forum for well over 12 years. No one presents their perspective on the Cyprus problem or indeed any subject with more absoluteness of certainty than you do. No one unquestionably follows and repeats the given 'diktat' of the standard propaganda narrative of their side than you do. No one is more dismissive of facts that counter your certainty than you. No one presents the idea that Greekness by definition is 'good' and 'superior' because that is what to be Greek means, more than you.

[tsukoui]

It's not about words it's about prana so much that it's scary. I've concluded that my genes have been switched on incorrectly. Despite spending all my time in the outdoors and my light skin I have the lowest vitamin D count my GP has ever seen.