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[Sotos]

I've concluded that my genes have been switched on incorrectly.

That would explain a lot indeed !

[insan]

Most of us don't have a problem with our identity. Stop wrecking Cyprus with your own insecurities because as GR! says, you will have the Turks, who never question theirs, soon obliterate ours!

Who cares what dialect of Greek you speak? There are as many dialects as there are towns!

Not true... we care about our Turkic dialect very much... there are tens of academic works on richness and uniqueness of our dialect among other Turkic dialects... and there are hundreds of books about TC lingual culture...

Furthermore we have 2 FB pages where we practice writing our labguage how we speak, not in standard Turkish... we have at least 10 FB pages that ten thousands of TCs share their knowledge and experiences regarding TC culture of past and present... when it comes to obliteration of your dialect by Turks; obviously your Turkophobia has no boundaries... Actually knowledge is really a power that erases almost al fears inside one's mind... you are very knowledged on many issues.. except Turks... that's why you have such exaggerated fears regarding Turks...

You've just proved my point, insan.

The phrase 'never question' means you have no doubts. You are certain, proud and unquestioning of your given diktat. Facts are irrelevant. You have your stated history and you better accept it. Turkishness cannot be insulted. You see?

Greeks on the other hand are always searching for some 'hidden truth' that they feel is being denied them. We 'doubt. We are 'uncertain'. This is because we have so much rich history whereas Turkish history is new and based on that of others so has to be indoctrinated.

Our enemy knows our questioning methods and stirs the pot. We have to protect what we have as we see it eroded by the Turkish Military stomping its way through the occupied areas.

Do you get it?

There's nothing in our dialect as a given diktat... it naturally evolved into what it is today... it has been influenced and renewed itself by the languages and dialects of all other peoples we have lived together for thousands of years from central Asia To Anatolia and from there to Cyprus... Turkish history is not new, dates back at least 2000 BC according to the latest archeological findings... History of Turkey is new, agreed....

http://books.google.com.cy/books?id=glbkeEywls0C&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=turkish+history+dates+back&source=bl&ots=HNTtMp_0I6&sig=3pv4BOTPFwdHxDLCsFLipfaqfww&hl=tr&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=turkish%20history%20dates%20back&f=false

[Sotos]

Turkish history is not new, dates back at least 2000 BC according to the latest archeological findings

The title of that book is "A Millennium of Turkish History" ... if it dates back to 2000BC then it would be 4 Millenniums, not 1.

[insan]

Most of us don't have a problem with our identity. Stop wrecking Cyprus with your own insecurities because as GR! says, you will have the Turks, who never question theirs, soon obliterate ours!

Who cares what dialect of Greek you speak? There are as many dialects as there are towns!

Not true... we care about our Turkic dialect very much... there are tens of academic works on richness and uniqueness of our dialect among other Turkic dialects... and there are hundreds of books about TC lingual culture...

Furthermore we have 2 FB pages where we practice writing our labguage how we speak, not in standard Turkish... we have at least 10 FB pages that ten thousands of TCs share their knowledge and experiences regarding TC culture of past and present... when it comes to obliteration of your dialect by Turks; obviously your Turkophobia has no boundaries... Actually knowledge is really a power that erases almost al fears inside one's mind... you are very knowledged on many issues.. except Turks... that's why you have such exaggerated fears regarding Turks...

You have your stated history and you better accept it. Turkishness cannot be insulted. You see?

You have a good point there... it must be broden as "insulting anyone, any nation, any culture, any religion etc, is considered as hate speech triggering hate and violance." The Turkish intelligentsia, lawyers, NGOs and international bodies must pressurize on Turkey to amend that law...

[insan]

Turkish history is not new, dates back at least 2000 BC according to the latest archeological findings

The title of that book is "A Millennium of Turkish History" ... if it dates back to 2000BC then it would be 3 Millenniums, not 1.

The title could be the last century of the Turkish history... the history of human beings does not start with the first written evidence... there are some latest archeological and linguistic findings which suggests it started at leasti n 2000 BC... it is also mentioned in this book...

[insan]

Turkish history is not new, dates back at least 2000 BC according to the latest archeological findings

The title of that book is "A Millennium of Turkish History" ... if it dates back to 2000BC then it would be 4 Millenniums, not 1.

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/BarbarianHuns.htm

[DrCyprus]

Turkish history is not new, dates back at least 2000 BC according to the latest archeological findings

The title of that book is "A Millennium of Turkish History" ... if it dates back to 2000BC then it would be 4 Millenniums, not 1.

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/BarbarianHuns.htm

The Huns have little to do with the Turks. Any relationship between the two is mostly speculation. The Huns fought the Selcuk Turks and humiliated them.

[Sotos]

Even if you make the Huns Turkish (and the article you posted says that such claim is controversial), you still don't get to 2000BC. In any case the point is not if you had ancestors in 2000BC... obviously everybody had ancestors in 2000BC and in 200.000BC ... or even in 20.000.000BC (non-human ancestors). But if you are going to talk about it as something important then you have to tell us what significant your ancestors did back then... not that some illiterate nomads merely existed.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed the American Natives are your kin, as Erdogan likens it, it explains, accordingly, why he thinks there were mosques in Cuba.

The "Turks" existed to some degree in Turkey, as the Ottoman Empire, but as Ataturk proved, Turkey is not "Turkish", it was not the "Turks" alone that created this State, that took the battle to the field along with him, although it was the "Turks" they had to fight against, for this/their Freedom. It is the "Turks" today that pose the biggest threat to any people who are not "Turkish", or "Turkish" enough. Cyprus in this regard, has become a proxy for the desire of "Turks" to regard themselves an exclusivity that is superior, that in some way what is not "Turkish" has no relevance, to them. "Turks" have become a threat to the Turkish people.

...proud to be a Turk is easy, if you are a "Turk". (Believe me, being Greek, living with "Greeks")

[DrCyprus]

We would have to create a new standard, because even within the Cypriot dialects there are variations.

Let's do it. I'm ready. It's a very easy process.

For example what would be the correct way to write and pronounce the word "τσάντα"? In Limassol with Cypriot dialect we pronounce that "chanta", in Nicosia they say "tsenta". Which one is it going to be the official standard way?

Why, you think that the Greek Cypriot language is a special snowflake or that this is the first time linguists have to work with the regional diversity of a language? I lived in Galicia for a time, they have 3 times the size of Cyprus and their language is even more diverse in vocabulary and even grammar than Greek Cypriot. Galicians are taught Galician at school and also Castillian. They are fluent in both. They consider themselves as part of the Spanish nation and Spanish history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_language

Tell me ONE thing we would gain.

A solid pathway to officially trace, document and history-proof our Greek identity from Homeric times till today, and show the world officially that we are the natural continuation of the Byzantine Greeks of Cyprus and not a bunch of Ottoman Christians who got 'greekified' because the English didn't know what to do with them.

Now, you tell me ONE thing we would gain if we kept it as a dialect. Oh yeah... this:

On the contrary we would have a lot to lose because our kids will not know standard Greek as good. That would make it harder for them to get positions at the Greek universities, it would make trade with Greece harder etc.

Bullshit. My answer is your own words:

And you speak both the Cypriot dialect and standard Greek as well. So what is your problem exactly?