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[insan]

Turkish history is not new, dates back at least 2000 BC according to the latest archeological findings

The title of that book is "A Millennium of Turkish History" ... if it dates back to 2000BC then it would be 4 Millenniums, not 1.

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/BarbarianHuns.htm

The Huns have little to do with the Turks. Any relationship between the two is mostly speculation. The Huns fought the Selcuk Turks and humiliated them.

Many Turkic tribes and Khanates warred with each other for primarily taking the leadership...

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/ ... e_1_En.htm

[DrCyprus]

Many Turkic tribes and Khanates warred with each other for primarily taking the leadership...

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/ ... e_1_En.htm

Claiming that Genghis Khan and Timur Lang were Turks is the same as a Greek claiming Julius Cesar as a Greek hero just because Romans were also Indo-Europeans. Stop trying to steal the history of your relatives you swine.

[Sotos]

Let's do it. I'm ready. It's a very easy process.

Really? So lets start with a single word. Tell me the one official way that we would write and pronounce the word "τσάντα" with "standard Cypriot".

Why, you think that the Greek Cypriot language is a special snowflake or that this is the first time linguists have to work with the regional diversity of a language? I lived in Galicia for a time, they have 3 times the size of Cyprus and their language is even more diverse in vocabulary and even grammar than Greek Cypriot. Galicians are taught Galician at school and also Castillian. They are fluent in both. They consider themselves as part of the Spanish nation and Spanish history.

It appears that Galician is not even a dialect of Spanish, but actually more related to Portuguese, which renders your whole argument void.

A solid pathway to officially trace, document and history-proof our Greek identity from Homeric times till today, and show the world officially that we are the natural continuation of the Byzantine Greeks of Cyprus and not a bunch of Ottoman Christians who got 'greekified' because the English didn't know what to do with them.

Nonsense. The pathway is clear to all that can study history and making the dialect an official language wouldn't change anything at all. So basically you couldn't even find a single real and practical benefit!

Now, you tell me ONE thing we would gain if we kept it as a dialect. Oh yeah... this:

On the contrary we would have a lot to lose because our kids will not know standard Greek as good. That would make it harder for them to get positions at the Greek universities, it would make trade with Greece harder etc.

Bullshit. My answer is your own words:

And you speak both the Cypriot dialect and standard Greek as well. So what is your problem exactly?

That is the case NOW because you learn BOTH the Cypriot dialect AND standard Greek. If both at school and your home all you are taught is the dialect then how will you learn properly the standard Greek? So the disadvantages:

1. Less of our students will be able to study at Greek universities
2. Communication between Cypriot and Greek traders and businessmen would become more difficult
3. Reduced ability to read the books written in standard Greek (which will always be many times more the number of books that could be written in the Cypriot dialect).
4. Most large software companies will not bother creating a version of their software for a language spoken by just half a million people.
.... and I could list many more such practical disadvantages. Such thing would have NO benefit, lots of real practical disadvantages and it would push Cyprus further away from the other Greek speaking populations something which only the Turks can gain from.

[Get Real!]

Really? So lets start with a single word. Tell me the one official way that we would write and pronounce the word "τσάντα" with "standard Cypriot".

You wouldn’t need to because Cypriot has many words for different kinds of bags you can use like… balaska, vourka, boxias, etc.

[insan]

Many Turkic tribes and Khanates warred with each other for primarily taking the leadership...

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/ ... e_1_En.htm

Claiming that Genghis Khan and Timur Lang were Turks is the same as a Greek claiming Julius Cesar as a Greek hero just because Romans were also Indo-Europeans. Stop trying to steal the history of your relatives you swine.

Reh guno(a loan word from GC dialect)

I'm neither a Turkologist, nor an academics or archeologist whatsoever... are you aware that you are talking absentmindedly?


There are hundreds of Turkologists, archeologists, linguists and academics from various nationalities who put forward these views with full evidence or partial evidence... your hate against anything not suits you took your lil brain under control... get rid of it you lil gubbins!

The preponderance of the scholarly judgment is that the Huns were Turks but the evidence for their being Turks could equally justify believing they were Mongolian. Of course, there probably would have been both Mongols and Turks in the leadership of the Huns just as in the 13th century Genghis Khan's Golden Horde about half of the warriors were Turks. The question of who were the Huns really centers on what was the ethnicity of the leadership of the Huns because without a doubt there were Goths, Gepids and Alans among the rank and file of the Hunnish army.

http://www.applet-magic.com/hunnish.htm



... and check how the civilized intellectual people discussing such issues! Gadaramenoya bak be!


http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28 ... green-eyes

[Pyrpolizer]

And you speak both the Cypriot dialect and standard Greek as well. So what is your problem exactly? You want the Cypriot dialect to be taught at schools? In order to do that first we would have to create a new standard, because even within the Cypriot dialects there are variations. For example what would be the correct way to write and pronounce the word "τσάντα"? In Limassol with Cypriot dialect we pronounce that "chanta", in Nicosia they say "tsenta". Which one is it going to be the official standard way? You will again have the case where your language is not exactly the same as the official language and at school you will be expected to write things in the official "correct" way. And even if we would agree to a "standard Cypriot", in what way would this be useful? Tell me ONE thing we would gain. On the contrary we would have a lot to lose because our kids will not know standard Greek as good. That would make it harder for them to get positions at the Greek universities, it would make trade with Greece harder etc.

You chose the worst example,the word is Turkish, and you in Limassol are the ones who spell it correctly.

[insan]

And you speak both the Cypriot dialect and standard Greek as well. So what is your problem exactly? You want the Cypriot dialect to be taught at schools? In order to do that first we would have to create a new standard, because even within the Cypriot dialects there are variations. For example what would be the correct way to write and pronounce the word "τσάντα"? In Limassol with Cypriot dialect we pronounce that "chanta", in Nicosia they say "tsenta". Which one is it going to be the official standard way? You will again have the case where your language is not exactly the same as the official language and at school you will be expected to write things in the official "correct" way. And even if we would agree to a "standard Cypriot", in what way would this be useful? Tell me ONE thing we would gain. On the contrary we would have a lot to lose because our kids will not know standard Greek as good. That would make it harder for them to get positions at the Greek universities, it would make trade with Greece harder etc.

You chose the worst example,the word is Turkish, and you in Limassol are the ones who spell it correctly.

We are talking about dialects Pyrpolizer... many words in different dialects are pronounced differnetly by the people of different regions... so, we can't say that people of this or that region spells it incorrectly...

https://books.google.com.cy/books?id=r8wGkxXeZuUC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=%C3%A7anta+cypriot&source=bl&ots=HtqYqzLsVu&sig=sQ0C1PzNQcZbREO1PRVGmf7rvMM&hl=tr&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%C3%A7anta%20cypriot&f=false

[GreekIslandGirl]

The phrase 'never question' means you have no doubts. You are certain, proud and unquestioning of your given diktat. Facts are irrelevant. You have your stated history and you better accept it. [TURKISHNESS] cannot be insulted.

This is an exact description of how you have consistently behaved on this forum for well over 12 years. No one presents their perspective on the Cyprus problem or indeed any subject with more absoluteness of certainty than you do. No one unquestionably follows and repeats the given 'diktat' of the standard propaganda narrative of their side than you do. No one is more dismissive of facts that counter your certainty than you. No one presents the idea that Greekness by definition is 'good' and 'superior' because that is what to be Greek means, more than you.

As always - ignores the facts and attacks the person!

Article 301 is an article of the Turkish Penal Code making it illegal to insult Turkey, the Turkish nation, or Turkish government institutions.

[GreekIslandGirl]

So it is two separate languages: Greek and Latin.

A null point.

This is a joke, right?

[Nikitas]

That old dialect banana again. While we are at it we might as well distinguish the Cretan, Dodecanese, Eptanisian, Epirotik, Thessalic, Thracian and Pontian dialects, why limit ourselves to Cypriot.

We also have to invent a new alphabet, or at least some symbols, perhaps borrow the cedilla and the umlaut from Turkish to denote the special thick sounds of "CH" and "SH" and the extra heavy consonants.

Guys, lighten up. It is a dialect, just like Yorkshire English is a dialect. And as a dialect it has grace as well as limitations, ie when it comes to expressing complex thought and ideas that require lots of compound words, legal texts, etc.

One of you dialecticians should present us with a Charter Party written in dialect to prove its adequacy. Or a medical diagnosis, or the architectural definition of load bearing beams. That should be a humorous as well as edcuational exercise for the writer.