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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby RichardB » Fri May 29, 2020 3:53 pm

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Ok at this point I just have to ask.

What are you thinking? Buying Chy-na made buses! :lol:

I mean I can understand if you would buy German made. German made stuff is top notch. I can also understand if you bought British, French, Italian, or US made.

We’re they cheap? I hope so because with Chy-na made it’s a 50 to 50 flip of the coin. :lol:

The only Chy-na made stuff I buy is Apple Products but these are under American license. :roll:


https://heavy.world/chinese-electric-buses-australia/


You had to dig deep for that DT.

Only 50 buses in all of Australia. gee, what a prolific purchase.

I guess they don't really like them here as they probably all broke down by now.

Wonder why no one else has bought these duds.

And right now, I think Australia would prefer to buy buses from Afghanistan than Chy-na. :lol:


Dude....Chinese bus maker is in the top 3 brands of buses sold in Australia.

https://yutong.com.au/

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that's interesting. I have never seen one or even heard of a Yutong.

I call bullshit.

I've seen heaps of Scania, Mercedes etc but no Yutong. Maybe they are all in the mechanics shop. :lol:


In 2016 yutong had an 8% share of the market in Australia.
Which equated to approx 10000 out of 180000 buses on the road.
The 2016 figure is the latest I can find.
As DT said the 3rd largest supplier
I did screen shots of the info but I'll be buggered if I know how to upload.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 29, 2020 5:26 pm

RichardB wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Ok at this point I just have to ask.

What are you thinking? Buying Chy-na made buses! :lol:

I mean I can understand if you would buy German made. German made stuff is top notch. I can also understand if you bought British, French, Italian, or US made.

We’re they cheap? I hope so because with Chy-na made it’s a 50 to 50 flip of the coin. :lol:

The only Chy-na made stuff I buy is Apple Products but these are under American license. :roll:


https://heavy.world/chinese-electric-buses-australia/


You had to dig deep for that DT.

Only 50 buses in all of Australia. gee, what a prolific purchase.

I guess they don't really like them here as they probably all broke down by now.

Wonder why no one else has bought these duds.

And right now, I think Australia would prefer to buy buses from Afghanistan than Chy-na. :lol:


Dude....Chinese bus maker is in the top 3 brands of buses sold in Australia.

https://yutong.com.au/

:lol:


that's interesting. I have never seen one or even heard of a Yutong.

I call bullshit.

I've seen heaps of Scania, Mercedes etc but no Yutong. Maybe they are all in the mechanics shop. :lol:


In 2016 yutong had an 8% share of the market in Australia.
Which equated to approx 10000 out of 180000 buses on the road.
The 2016 figure is the latest I can find.
As DT said the 3rd largest supplier
I did screen shots of the info but I'll be buggered if I know how to upload.


No wonder I haven't seen one.

And believe me, I have been all over Australia and just don't have the foggiest what a Yutong is.

And at those figures, I guess it isn't unreasonable not to have the foggiest idea of what a Yutong.

Cheap skates always get burnt in the end. Which is why this company will never gain significant market share. And now in Australia, if anyone buys Chy-nese, it's a hang-able offense.

Chy-na is placing embargoes on Australia and I think it's wonderful as we don't like Chy-nese in these parts. :lol:
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby RichardB » Fri May 29, 2020 5:34 pm

Doesn't sound a lot and maybe those figures have gone up or maybe down, but it still works out that 1 in every 18 buuses in Australia (approx) is Chinese made.. A figure not to be sniffed at. PS Paphites I'm not trying to put one over on you just reporting the most up to date figures I can find
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby erolz66 » Fri May 29, 2020 5:38 pm

Paphitis wrote:How many buses do you think we are going to buy from the Chy-nese now?


And there was me thinking your original point / argument was Cyprus should not buy Chinese buses because they will be shit and break down all the time. Silly me.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby RichardB » Fri May 29, 2020 5:40 pm

RichardB wrote:Doesn't sound a lot and maybe those figures have gone up or maybe down, but it still works out that 1 in every 18 buuses in Australia (approx) is Chinese made.. A figure not to be sniffed at. PS Paphites I'm not trying to put one over on you just reporting the most up to date figures I can find


I misread my info before
There are 118000 buses on the road so the figure is 1 in 12 buses on the road in Australia are Chinese made
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Kikapu » Fri May 29, 2020 6:41 pm

My guess is, only city buses will use electric buses as they need to be charged frequently each day at the end of the line. It only takes About 10-15 minutes to fully charge these buses with a commercial charging system that will give about 100km range. If the bus only drives 20 km across town, it will re-charge to full in 2-3 minutes.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby RichardB » Fri May 29, 2020 6:55 pm

Kikapu wrote:My guess is, only city buses will use electric buses as they need to be charged frequently each day at the end of the line. It only takes About 10-15 minutes to fully charge these buses with a commercial charging system that will give about 100km range. If the bus only drives 20 km across town, it will re-charge to full in 2-3 minutes.


According to yutong website the newer models have up to 350 km range.
I'm quite enjoying myself looking up these facts

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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Kikapu » Fri May 29, 2020 7:28 pm

RichardB wrote:
Kikapu wrote:My guess is, only city buses will use electric buses as they need to be charged frequently each day at the end of the line. It only takes About 10-15 minutes to fully charge these buses with a commercial charging system that will give about 100km range. If the bus only drives 20 km across town, it will re-charge to full in 2-3 minutes.


According to yutong website the newer models have up to 350 km range.
I'm quite enjoying myself looking up these facts

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That is a very impressive range for a ALL electric bus that is not a Hybrid.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby RichardB » Fri May 29, 2020 8:02 pm

Kikapu wrote:
RichardB wrote:
Kikapu wrote:My guess is, only city buses will use electric buses as they need to be charged frequently each day at the end of the line. It only takes About 10-15 minutes to fully charge these buses with a commercial charging system that will give about 100km range. If the bus only drives 20 km across town, it will re-charge to full in 2-3 minutes.


According to yutong website the newer models have up to 350 km range.
I'm quite enjoying myself looking up these facts

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Green, clean electric bus consultant


That is a very impressive range for a ALL electric bus that is not a Hybrid.


Yutong buses for Nur-Sultan
The 100 Yutong electric buses headed to Nur-Sultan (contract was announced in autumn 2019) are 12 meter model, with 30 seats each. Range, according to the manufacturer, can reach 350 km. The vehicles will be equipped with electronic fare payment systems, video surveillance, intelligent battery management systems, USB ports.

The new buses will be purchased through DBK Leasing as part of the state programme to upgrade the fleet with

http://www.sustainable-bus.com

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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri May 29, 2020 10:10 pm

I'm glad, Richard, you visited the bus manufacturer's site; i found it interesting too.

...don't be fooled by all the negative press China gets on the environment, because they are leaders in the field on many issues. Although consistency in their quality remains an issue for their manufacturing sector, they are well advanced in their research, on new forms of sustainable energy, and in plastic recycling, to name two fields where they have left the world far behind.

...It won't be long, where ''America" will be making excuses (like they do with Huawei in the telecommunication field), when (industrial) products in these fields start flooding the market and they are caught having to buy them because there is no American substitute that's better (again). Indeed, the COVID pandemic is a real wake-up call, having to live in a world where we depend on each other, and where we must be able to sustain ourselves.

Fact is China makes investments, others may make investments with them; few States offer the same opportunity for multi-national investment, fewer still, invest like China in infrastructure, in its broadest sense.

..."China" has learned its lessons well, from the likes of Google, Amazon, or Apple, to name a few, when it comes to "Capitalism", to "be" the market, because there is no monopoly if no one else in the market exists; she strives for such control of market(s), too.
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