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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:08 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:That just what the UK dont need - if its was 9 weeks before anyone could pass A50 then there was a bit of space

now the shit will hit the fan - you aint seen nothing yet ,,,no ne now is going to wait for RMS UK to sink - they will be jumping into the EU lifeboats ASAP


:D :D :D You're an inveterate alarmist Paul.

Leadsom's clearly enunciated view was for the immediate triggering of A50. May's approach is much more measured, although, let's not give false hope here, she has said (much like Msr Junker) she accepts the result and out is out.

I imagine Merkel in particular will be very pleased at the news that it's going to be May.

So, you could get another 6 months or so to wander around with your "The end is nigh!" sandwich board. :wink: :D

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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:17 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:One of the points made in the above letter:

For all of these reasons, it is proposed that the government establishes, as a matter of urgency, a royal commission or an equivalent independent body to receive evidence and report, within a short, fixed timescale, on the benefits, costs and risks of triggering article 50 to the UK as a whole, and to all of its constituent populations. The parliamentary vote should not take place until the commission has reported.


Shouldn't they have done that and published it before having a referendum?


I agree with you ....... that has to be a first? :roll: :wink: This should have been the basis of Cameron's Plan 'B' and his 'remain' campaign, instead of relying on scare tactics.


Do you not think there was an onus on the 'leave' campaign to present some kind of programme as to what was to happen if their campaign was victorious and, indeed, on the electorate that was considering supporting it to demand one?


The leave campaigners were not the Government. I contend that Cameron was too arrogant, not for one minute did he believe the vote would go the way it did ..... and he as PM failed to have a Plan 'B' ready ..... just in case. So he walked away ..... some leader he turned out to be?
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:24 pm

"How financial markets reacted as Andrea Leadsom pulled out of Tory leadership race"

"The announcement soothed financial markets, after political turmoil wreaked havoc on global markets since the Brexit vote last month."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... out-of-to/

I'm looking at things more in the long term but............................ hardly a mad dash for the lifeboats. Ehh? :wink:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:38 pm

Londonrake wrote: You're an inveterate alarmist Paul.

Leadsom's clearly enunciated view was for the immediate triggering of A50. May's approach is much more measured, although, let's not give false hope here, she has said (much like Msr Junker) she accepts the result and out is out.



1. I dont have a single asset in pounds - so it wont affect my income at all
2. i didnt get from south london to bermuda by being smugg
3a she can call A50 ,then its subject to a court battle inc the ECJ
3b she can not call A50 and has a back bench revolt
3c. she can have a general election ,where the 48%-56% who what the EU will wipe em out
3d. she cant win
4.whatever pound drops to 1.10 or less

but happy to hear more smart things from you - after all you were not daft enought to vote out and hope you would not have your monies drop by 20% ,could stay in CY
and have free medical cover - im sure you were brighter then that ..

As an indication on how dire the GBP's performance has been; of the world's top 31 currency's, GBP has been the worst performer in 2016, having overtaken the Argentine Peso
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:45 pm

All of the other arguments notwithstanding, I still say it is the job of those who campaign for something to have a serious programme to back it up, and it is the job of an intelligent electorate to expect this of them. The way everybody in the leave camp turned round in the first few days following the result and admitted that everything was a pack of lies and then ran off with their tails between their legs is pretty despicable in my view.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:05 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:All of the other arguments notwithstanding, I still say it is the job of those who campaign for something to have a serious programme to back it up, and it is the job of an intelligent electorate to expect this of them. The way everybody in the leave camp turned round in the first few days following the result and admitted that everything was a pack of lies and then ran off with their tails between their legs is pretty despicable in my view.

The banner by the Brexit campaign proclaiming that by exiting the EU our NHS would be better off by 350 million pounds per year, only to be dismissed the day after the referendum results, its enough reason to also dismiss the results as fraudulent as the Brexit campaign made false claims. This banner featured widely during the campaign and the silly old fools fell for it !
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:23 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:All of the other arguments notwithstanding, I still say it is the job of those who campaign for something to have a serious programme to back it up, and it is the job of an intelligent electorate to expect this of them. The way everybody in the leave camp turned round in the first few days following the result and admitted that everything was a pack of lies and then ran off with their tails between their legs is pretty despicable in my view.


If the 'leave' campaign had laid out all their cards and detailed what they had planned, would you have listened? I think not! But the 'remainer's' would have and would have set out to destroy their message. Both sides exaggerated and made some pretty stupid claims. Now the 'remainer's' do nothing but pursue a course of running the UK down with their tales .......... most of them know no more on the subject, in fact I would suggest a lot less, than those old fogies that voted for an exit. :roll:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:26 pm

miltiades wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:All of the other arguments notwithstanding, I still say it is the job of those who campaign for something to have a serious programme to back it up, and it is the job of an intelligent electorate to expect this of them. The way everybody in the leave camp turned round in the first few days following the result and admitted that everything was a pack of lies and then ran off with their tails between their legs is pretty despicable in my view.

The banner by the Brexit campaign proclaiming that by exiting the EU our NHS would be better off by 350 million pounds per year, only to be dismissed the day after the referendum results, its enough reason to also dismiss the results as fraudulent as the Brexit campaign made false claims. This banner featured widely during the campaign and the silly old fools fell for it !


thats not fair - i have come accross a lot of silly middle aged fools as well
i think we should start a GENERAL ELECTION thread - then we can all get back to
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:31 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:
Londonrake wrote: You're an inveterate alarmist Paul.

Leadsom's clearly enunciated view was for the immediate triggering of A50. May's approach is much more measured, although, let's not give false hope here, she has said (much like Msr Junker) she accepts the result and out is out.



1. I dont have a single asset in pounds - so it wont affect my income at all
2. i didnt get from south london to bermuda by being smugg
3a she can call A50 ,then its subject to a court battle inc the ECJ
3b she can not call A50 and has a back bench revolt
3c. she can have a general election ,where the 48%-56% who what the EU will wipe em out
3d. she cant win
4.whatever pound drops to 1.10 or less

but happy to hear more smart things from you - after all you were not daft enought to vote out and hope you would not have your monies drop by 20% ,could stay in CY
and have free medical cover - im sure you were brighter then that ..

As an indication on how dire the GBP's performance has been; of the world's top 31 currency's, GBP has been the worst performer in 2016, having overtaken the Argentine Peso


Yes Paul, you've stressed on quite a few occasions that basically you are fully insulated against the UK leaving the EU. Which makes me wonder why some of your posts are bordering on the frothing mouth. :?

You may have gotten to Bermuda by not being smugg (sic) but you certainly didn't get there for your literary skills. Your post is littered with mistakes. You give the impression of somebody overflowing with indignation and anger. Calm down mate. We're not going to change anything on the basis of what's said in here. People will just start avoiding you.

Whether May can or can't, will or won't invoke Article 50 and the what wherefores of any such action will all be revealed in good time. What I can say is that she's stated on several occasions that she will respect the result of the referendum and act accordingly. In fact, both the major political parties are saying that. You guys can thrash around, trawling for reasons why the UK can't or won't leave but that's the political situation at the moment in the UK.

I fully expected a period of financial dislocation. What's being masked by Brexit though is that all the indicators were already pointing to a downward trend in the UK economy. Moreover, Lagarde had said several times that the IMF's view was the £ stood overvalued by something like 15 - 18%. That had nothing to do with Brexit. Like a lot of people though I think - it wasn't about the money to me.

It isn't "smart things" from me. You posted something about people rushing to get off the RMS UK because Leadsom had dropped out of the leadership race. That was being a tad precipitate. If you'd kept up you would have realised that for obvious reasons the exact opposite was going to be true.

I've never actually used free medical cover. Should I fall ill (so far so good) I would use one of the excellent clinics/private hospitals available. In fact wrt one of your earlier comments about heart surgery, of the what must be scores of UK Expats I've known here there was only one that's been unfortunate enough to require such work doing. They paid for it via health insurance. There is nothing yet of course to suggest that the current arrangements will not stay in place via a bilateral agreement, post exit. There are 300,000 Cypriots in the UK, including over 10,000 students who will need covering. I appreciate many have UK or dual passports but those that don't significantly outweigh the number of UK Expats in Cyprus. Again though, why run around like a headless chicken about it - making Armageddon-like statements/threats - at this stage of the game?
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Londonrake » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:45 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:thats not fair - i have come accross a lot of silly middle aged fools as well
i think we should start a GENERAL ELECTION thread - then we can all get back to
´normal´


That attitude succinctly encapsulates one of the main reasons you lost the vote.

I thought "normal" for you would be sitting in a nice shady bar in Hamilton with a cooling drink bought in Bermuda dollars? What do you care? No, really, I'm curious? :wink: :D

Make no mistake. Any attempt by UK politicians to renege on the result of what was the largest electoral event in Britain's history would have very serious repercussions. If they/you think everybody would just go back to complaining about the weather you'd all find out that you were entirely wrong, I'm sure. UKIP would likely become a very serious political force and next time it wouldn't be just the 4 million votes in a GE. Perceptions of the EU wouldn't change, they would harden.
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