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[Londonrake]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/16/brexit-eu-referendum-boris-johnson-greece-tory

Ahh - it's pre-referendum and, as I suspected, pretty much par for the Gruin!

"...........Brexit.

Now here’s the practical reason to ignore it.

............. If Britain votes Brexit, then Johnson and Gove stand ready to seize control of the Tory party and turn Britain into a neoliberal fantasy island." Err - actually - no, far from it. Who and who? Foreign Secretary is not "seizing control". It's doing what Mumsey says! After all the stuff about "running away" he actually gets to clean up!

[Pyrpolizer]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

[Maximus]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

Article 50 has to be invoked first before Britain negotiates her exit.

Are you talking about what needs to be agreed for the Brexit or to rEUmain?

[Pyrpolizer]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

Article 50 has to be invoked first before Britain negotiates her exit.

Are you talking about what needs to be agreed for the Brexit or to rEUmain?

That's Eu's position. However UK politicians and analysts stated countless of times that if the UK invokes article 50 the Europeans will crunch out the time of 2 years leaving her out with no deal at all. According to them at least some major issues have to be agreed before invoking article 50. However nobody so far has clarified which those issues are.

[Lordo]

it will take at least 2 years to remove the laws implemented by the eu and there can be no negotiations about the future till uk has brexited. then of course once all the laws have been removed there is only one thing to negotiate and that is conditions for free trade.

the eu has been saying that there will be no free trade agreement unless there is freedom of eu workers to come to uk as they wish. even if the germans and the french come to an agreed compromise it has to be approved by every state. which ever state is disadvantaged with any compromise will be able to veto it.

so there is nothing to negotiate.

however there will be parliamentary commission set up to investigate the consequences of brexit and report back to parliament. only after this will they declare article 50. of course a lot of lawyers have written to the government explaining that to declare article 50 mps will have to vote for it. but with boris in the foreign office he will have them in stitches and once in they are in that state who is to say what they will decide.

[Pyrpolizer]

this article offers some info:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu- ... m-36575186

the UK and EU must agree how to divide assets, resolve EU budget issues and set out the future rights of EU nationals in the UK and vice versa.

It's obvious these issues can be resolved within a few days and postponing to invoke article 50 thinking they could get a better deal is just a waste of time.

Perhaps they hope to get a deal to continue having access to the EU single market on preferential terms, in which case of course they should be just dreaming....

[Paul ZKTV]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

you cant have an agreement before invoking A50 ,as you aint said your leaving
then you got 700 days to do what took switzerlad 9000

Free trade deals that the EU negotiated with 53 countries, including Canada, Singapore and South Korea, will no longer apply to the UK. If the UK wants the benefits of them it will have to renegotiate with those countries.

f the EU waits until the UK's formal withdrawal, the negotiations might drag on for another five years or more. Pending a deal, the UK will trade with the EU under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules.

[Maximus]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

Article 50 has to be invoked first before Britain negotiates her exit.

Are you talking about what needs to be agreed for the Brexit or to rEUmain?

That's Eu's position. However UK politicians and analysts stated countless of times that if the UK invokes article 50 the Europeans will crunch out the time of 2 years leaving her out with no deal at all. According to them at least some major issues have to be agreed before invoking article 50. However nobody so far has clarified which those issues are.

I find this way of thinking problematic.

Because the EU does not need to negotiate anything until article 50 is invoked and if not, Britain remains a member of the EU.

[Maximus]

I think Britain has trapped herself or put herself in to a corner. She will rEUmain and piss the EU off or piss the EU off and then walk away with nothing.

[Pyrpolizer]

it will take at least 2 years to remove the laws implemented by the eu and there can be no negotiations about the future till uk has brexited. then of course once all the laws have been removed there is only one thing to negotiate and that is conditions for free trade.

the eu has been saying that there will be no free trade agreement unless there is freedom of eu workers to come to uk as they wish. even if the germans and the french come to an agreed compromise it has to be approved by every state. which ever state is disadvantaged with any compromise will be able to veto it.

so there is nothing to negotiate.

however there will be parliamentary commission set up to investigate the consequences of brexit and report back to parliament. only after this will they declare article 50. of course a lot of lawyers have written to the government explaining that to declare article 50 mps will have to vote for it. but with boris in the foreign office he will have them in stitches and once in they are in that state who is to say what they will decide.

And how should that worry the UK? if they agree on keeping some laws fine, if not the UK could do as it pleases after it gets out of the EU.
Is that a reason for postponing to invoke article 50?