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[Paul ZKTV]

Thank god boris is in the government - thats another 5% for the LIB DEMs after this bunch of criminals get kicked out by XMAS --
total and utter mess - ship heading for the rocks ......

[Paul ZKTV]

it will take at least 2 years to remove the laws implemented by the eu and there can be no negotiations about the future till uk has brexited. then of course once all the laws have been removed there is only one thing to negotiate and that is conditions for free trade.

the eu has been saying that there will be no free trade agreement unless there is freedom of eu workers to come to uk as they wish. even if the germans and the french come to an agreed compromise it has to be approved by every state. which ever state is disadvantaged with any compromise will be able to veto it.

so there is nothing to negotiate.

however there will be parliamentary commission set up to investigate the consequences of brexit and report back to parliament. only after this will they declare article 50. of course a lot of lawyers have written to the government explaining that to declare article 50 mps will have to vote for it. but with boris in the foreign office he will have them in stitches and once in they are in that state who is to say what they will decide.

And how should that worry the UK? if they agree on keeping some laws fine, if not the UK could do as it pleases after it gets out of the EU.
Is that a reason for postponing to invoke article 50?

there are no laws in the UK ´ implemented by the eu´ they are british laws passed by british MPs ...
the day they Do A50 will be the worse day in the history of british bizness - the arse will fall out of everything,all the non UK companies will be off and
it will be totall meltdown ... and if you leave the EU with no deal ,its WTO rules - that would put car sales into europe up 10% and imports of any producr made from milk or cheese by 36% ...

[Pyrpolizer]

it will take at least 2 years to remove the laws implemented by the eu and there can be no negotiations about the future till uk has brexited. then of course once all the laws have been removed there is only one thing to negotiate and that is conditions for free trade.

the eu has been saying that there will be no free trade agreement unless there is freedom of eu workers to come to uk as they wish. even if the germans and the french come to an agreed compromise it has to be approved by every state. which ever state is disadvantaged with any compromise will be able to veto it.

so there is nothing to negotiate.

however there will be parliamentary commission set up to investigate the consequences of brexit and report back to parliament. only after this will they declare article 50. of course a lot of lawyers have written to the government explaining that to declare article 50 mps will have to vote for it. but with boris in the foreign office he will have them in stitches and once in they are in that state who is to say what they will decide.

And how should that worry the UK? if they agree on keeping some laws fine, if not the UK could do as it pleases after it gets out of the EU.
Is that a reason for postponing to invoke article 50?

there are no laws in the UK ´ implemented by the eu´ they are british laws passed by british MPs ...
the day they Do A50 will be the worse day in the history of british bizness - the arse will fall out of everything,all the non UK companies will be off and
it will be totall meltdown ... and if you leave the EU with no deal ,its WTO rules - that would put car sales into europe up 10% and imports of any producr made from milk or cheese by 36% ...

So how in your opinion Teresa May would lead the country to "Brexit'? Without invoking article 50? By trying to negotiate a deal at least on free Trade before invoking it? Or by invoking it and then see?

[Paul ZKTV]

it will take at least 2 years to remove the laws implemented by the eu and there can be no negotiations about the future till uk has brexited. then of course once all the laws have been removed there is only one thing to negotiate and that is conditions for free trade.

the eu has been saying that there will be no free trade agreement unless there is freedom of eu workers to come to uk as they wish. even if the germans and the french come to an agreed compromise it has to be approved by every state. which ever state is disadvantaged with any compromise will be able to veto it.

so there is nothing to negotiate.

however there will be parliamentary commission set up to investigate the consequences of brexit and report back to parliament. only after this will they declare article 50. of course a lot of lawyers have written to the government explaining that to declare article 50 mps will have to vote for it. but with boris in the foreign office he will have them in stitches and once in they are in that state who is to say what they will decide.

And how should that worry the UK? if they agree on keeping some laws fine, if not the UK could do as it pleases after it gets out of the EU.
Is that a reason for postponing to invoke article 50?

there are no laws in the UK ´ implemented by the eu´ they are british laws passed by british MPs ...
the day they Do A50 will be the worse day in the history of british bizness - the arse will fall out of everything,all the non UK companies will be off and
it will be totall meltdown ... and if you leave the EU with no deal ,its WTO rules - that would put car sales into europe up 10% and imports of any producr made from milk or cheese by 36% ...

So how in your opinion Teresa May would lead the country to "Brexit'? Without invoking article 50? By trying to negotiate a deal at least on free Trade before invoking it? Or by invoking it and then see?

I dont mean to be rude ,but to have free trade you have to be in the EEA ,which is the Full EU for those who have joined and the full EU for those that have not.
you cant have free trade without free movement and the people now running the UK ,are anti that ..
so you aint going to get it and everone knows it - im afraid MRS MAY has become Franz von Papen !!!

[Tim Drayton]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

To me, you are asking the wrong question. I do not think that the UK should invoke Article 50. Walking away from the largest trade bloc in the world and decades of effort to bring peace, stability and prosperity to our continent will be a disastrous move. We need to be in the EU to work to reform it.

[miltiades]

QUESTION to all the British guys of this forum:
What are the top 5 issues you think the UK has to come to an agreement with the EU before invoking article 50?

To me, you are asking the wrong question. I do not think that the UK should invoke Article 50. Walking away from the largest trade bloc in the world and decades of effort to bring peace, stability and prosperity to our continent will be a disastrous move. We need to be in the EU to work to reform it.

I agree entirely.
The UK must remain in the EU and must take an active role in charting the destiny of the European Union.
The Brexiteers have yet to tell those that voted for Brexit of any concrete and tangible benefits that would be derived from exiting the EU. Giving people nonsensical promises of huge benefits for our NHS, control of our own borders , control of our destiny and other such cheap clichés .

[Tim Drayton]

Some people here don't seem to understand that, in a democracy, those who support a minority position also have the right to argue their point and try to win support for it and turn it into the majority position.

Let us not forget the prior to the referendum, Nigel Farage said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember- ... m-5963900/

I wouldn't even agree with the 'two-thirds' comment. Farage, as somebody who has always campaigned to take the UK into oblivion and probable dissolution outside the EU, would have been perfectly entitled in a democracy to continue to campaign for those views regardless of the result. Are you seriously telling me that UKIP would not already be calling for and campaigning for a leave vote in the next referendum? In fact the result was very narrow and just over 48% of the 71% who voted, 16,141,241 people to be precise, voted to remain, and I was one of them. I continue to believe that leaving the EU will be disastrous for the UK and in a democracy I am entitled to continue to voice my view. Those who support remain are perfectly entitled to argue that the UK should not invoke Article 50 on the basis of a result by a narrow margin in an advisory referendum, and if, nevertheless, Article 50 is invoked, the process is still reversible and we will be entitled to campaign for this to be reversed. The referendum result is not written in stone. It represented a snapshot of the opinion of the electorate on one particular day following a campaign fueled by lies (and the leave camp immediately turned round after the result and confessed as much) and racism at a time when the EU is going through a very difficult period. Sentiment changes and there is no doubt that demography is on the remain side. Over 70% of the under-30's are said to have voted remain, while the leave camp had its strongest support among the over 65s. It is a sad fact that, with each day that passes, some of the latter pass away, while more europhile young people turn 18. I see everything to play for.

[Robin Hood]

If you apply common sense ........... the UK Government has not officially told the EU Commission it is leaving their club. A majority of the people in a free and fair referendum have said they want to leave the EU.

The Government will now look into how this can be sensibly achieved and will make agreements of mutual advantage with other States both inside and outside of the EU. When the Government has a clearer idea and have signed up for new agreements THEN they will give formal notice under Article 50. Once invoked it gives a two year notice period for a smooth transition.

If I were in Mays position, what has happened since the referendum result would make me think twice about invoking Article 50. The wrong people are pushing for it! Junker wants us out as soon as possible he doesn’t want a smooth transition, he wants a train wreck as a deterrent for other members thinking of going the same route. Art, 50 to Junker and the like, is a weapon of mass destruction and, as this is clearly demonstrated by some on this thread, there are a lot of those that opposed the referendum result who would like to see the same conclusion. They then have the gall to say they are thinking of the future of the UK and its young people. Bullsh*t, you would all be delighted to see you doomsday scenario come to fruition. In your dreams!!!!!!! ...... the UK has been around far too long to get shafted!

Is it not rather ironic that nationals of a country that has spent over 40 years negotiating a deal with another group of people within a divided country, without achieving any result of significance in all those years, now feel they are in a position to give their advise and opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about?

There is not a single event in life that is anticipated where you do not do a bit of forward planning and make arrangements. Do you think a pilot climbs into an aircraft to fly from London to Larnaca and THEN does his flight planning? Do you buy a piece of land without making sure you have outline planning permission, a water supply and electricity? Do you hand in your notice and THEN decide what you are now going to do? Why should leaving the EU be any different?

Are any of you aware that in spite of a Cyprus type ‘bail-in’ having been adopted as the norm for what will happen in Europe if this economic/banking situation occurs in the future ........ they are now backtracking as Italy needs a banking bail-out of some €166bn to prevent a banking collapse. To invoke a ‘bail-in’ at this time would be about the last nail in the coffin for the Euro certainly, if not the EU itself .......... so the EU Commission, the IMF and the ECB decide to forget these new rules ...... as it doesn’t suit them! So much for the imposition of EU/IMF/ECB agreements and protocols ...... they only apply when it suits them.

The sooner the UK sets up its own trade agreements and scraps all the articles that are leading directly toward a Federal Europe and throws them in the dumpster the better!

[CBBB]

Is it not rather ironic that nationals of a country that has spent over 40 years negotiating a deal with another group of people within a divided country, without achieving any result of significance in all those years, now feel they are in a position to give their advise and opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about?

How would that be then, Tim, Miltiades, me, Londonrake?

[Robin Hood]

Is it not rather ironic that nationals of a country that has spent over 40 years negotiating a deal with another group of people within a divided country, without achieving any result of significance in all those years, now feel they are in a position to give their advise and opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about?

How would that be then, Tim, Miltiades, me, Londonrake?

Depends on whether you are a NATIONAL of such a country? Don't you know your nationality? Those you mention don't appear to fit the description ....... I think they are all British ........at least by birth!

Although Milti's a bit iffy.