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[Paphitis]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

[Kikapu]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

[Paphitis]

There is no doubt airline management will use anything at their disposal to square the ledger against the workers.

That’s Capitalism for you. There is always a perpetual battle between good (pilots ) and evil (executives ) and the pendulum always shifts.

Right now, evil might be gaining some territory against the forces of good (pilots) but for how long? How long can this be sustained if there is a shortage?

Doesn’t seem like pilots are that powerless. It’s only the unusual state of affairs with regard to the global Covid pandemic that may appear to set things back a little but what happens when Covid is done and dusted? It seems the power and the pendulum will swing back yet again and the executives will be throwing money at us...

[Paphitis]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

Well I’ve never heard of anyone get one of those letters. And if they did, it is probably because management wanted to get rid of some personalities or some boat rockers. That I have seen even where I work. If you rock the boat abd management have the perfect opportunity to sack them, they will and do in an instant.

The email I got early last year from HR was as nice as pie Kikapu. They didn’t want to burn any bridges that’s for sure and clearly said they want to take things from where they were left off once the situation stabilises.

[Kikapu]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

Well I’ve never heard of anyone get one of those letters. And if they did, it is probably because management wanted to get rid of some personalities or some boat rockers. That I have seen even where I work. If you rock the boat abd management have the perfect opportunity to sack them, they will and do in an instant.

The email I got early last year from HR was as nice as pie Kikapu. They didn’t want to burn any bridges that’s fir sure abd clearly said they want to take things from where they were left off once the situation stabilises.

Wish you the best and hope that it all works out for you.

[Paphitis]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

Well I’ve never heard of anyone get one of those letters. And if they did, it is probably because management wanted to get rid of some personalities or some boat rockers. That I have seen even where I work. If you rock the boat abd management have the perfect opportunity to sack them, they will and do in an instant.

The email I got early last year from HR was as nice as pie Kikapu. They didn’t want to burn any bridges that’s fir sure abd clearly said they want to take things from where they were left off once the situation stabilises.

Wish you the best and hope that it all works out for you.

Thanks. I’m in a state of shock. I’m actually so tired as well and should go to bed as I’m up very early in the morning with the sparrows but I don’t think sleep right now.

The whole saga had been an emotional roller coaster ride from April last year. From the Hughes of highs to down right shock horror, and despair and everything in between.

I’ve literally seen nothing like this before.

Covid stuffed a lot of things up that’s for sure.

I also put in a lot of time and effort into this. QANTAS guy reckons I should go but leave the fam behind for 6 months till they further stabilise their Covid crisis a bit more. I dunno...

It’s a hard life aviation Kikapu. Very hard. I know guys who have wrecked home life’s and divorces left right and centre. I don’t know how I survived through 16 years of marriage tbh...as hard is it is for us, it’s even harder on spouses and families. Dam hard...

[Kikapu]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

Well I’ve never heard of anyone get one of those letters. And if they did, it is probably because management wanted to get rid of some personalities or some boat rockers. That I have seen even where I work. If you rock the boat abd management have the perfect opportunity to sack them, they will and do in an instant.

The email I got early last year from HR was as nice as pie Kikapu. They didn’t want to burn any bridges that’s fir sure abd clearly said they want to take things from where they were left off once the situation stabilises.

Wish you the best and hope that it all works out for you.

Thanks. I’m in a state of shock. I’m actually so tired as well and should go to bed as I’m up very early in the morning with the sparrows but I don’t think sleep right now.

The whole saga had been an emotional roller coaster ride from April last year. From the Hughes of highs to down right shock horror, and despair and everything in between.

I’ve literally seen nothing like this before.

Covid stuffed a lot of things up that’s for sure.

I also put in a lot of time and effort into this. QANTAS guy reckons I should go but leave the fam behind for 6 months till they further stabilise their Covid crisis a bit more. I dunno...

It’s a hard life aviation Kikapu. Very hard. I know guys who have wrecked home life’s and divorces left right and centre. I don’t know how I survived through 16 years of marriage tbh...as hard is it is for us, it’s even harder on spouses and families. Dam hard...

I agree with the Qantas guy, especially if your position at your present place of work is on shaky grounds, so you are not losing too much by moving, and to add to that, if you are placed with regional routes with the majors in the US, you will be working off your ass with very little time for family life, so it may well be best to delay their move until you are comfortable with your move first.

[Paphitis]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

Well I’ve never heard of anyone get one of those letters. And if they did, it is probably because management wanted to get rid of some personalities or some boat rockers. That I have seen even where I work. If you rock the boat abd management have the perfect opportunity to sack them, they will and do in an instant.

The email I got early last year from HR was as nice as pie Kikapu. They didn’t want to burn any bridges that’s fir sure abd clearly said they want to take things from where they were left off once the situation stabilises.

Wish you the best and hope that it all works out for you.

Thanks. I’m in a state of shock. I’m actually so tired as well and should go to bed as I’m up very early in the morning with the sparrows but I don’t think sleep right now.

The whole saga had been an emotional roller coaster ride from April last year. From the Hughes of highs to down right shock horror, and despair and everything in between.

I’ve literally seen nothing like this before.

Covid stuffed a lot of things up that’s for sure.

I also put in a lot of time and effort into this. QANTAS guy reckons I should go but leave the fam behind for 6 months till they further stabilise their Covid crisis a bit more. I dunno...

It’s a hard life aviation Kikapu. Very hard. I know guys who have wrecked home life’s and divorces left right and centre. I don’t know how I survived through 16 years of marriage tbh...as hard is it is for us, it’s even harder on spouses and families. Dam hard...

I agree with the Qantas guy, especially if your position at your present place of work is on shaky grounds, so you are not losing too much by moving, and to add to that, if you are placed with regional routes with the majors in the US, you will be working off your ass with very little time for family life, so it may well be best to delay their move until you are comfortable with your move first.

I’m not in shaky ground however I was read the riot act last week as they are angry I turned down a training role and they are aware of what’s going on in the back ground as someone spilled the beans.

They want me to sign a 2 year contract with them with me undergoing checker approvals.

But the contract comes with a 30k bond. So if I leave them, I pay them out 30k... to alleviate their training costs and to lock me in. They too are in a state where they are bolstering the check and training department as they forecast a massive back log of recurrence training.

Problem they have is 30k isn’t really a huge consideration. It’s a nuisance at most but won’t stop me if the US contract is the same as last year and not butchered or given a haircut.

[Paphitis]

Oh and the other thing I just thought about is if I go over there and they have another Covid flare up and given Australia’s very tight border controls even against its own citizens caught overseas, I could get stuck over there.

It’s happened to so many Aussies. Families have been split over it with people stranded.

It could take me a year to get back into Australia at the worst case scenario. Imagine that!

A family known to us only got back early this year. But they were all over there together at least. There were many more horror stories.

When they close the borders here, they really aren’t joking.

[Kikapu]

This was only just last month.

AIRLINES
American warns 13,000 employees of furloughs as airlines prepare to lose federal aid next month

PUBLISHED WED, FEB 3 20215:13 PM ESTUPDATED THU, FEB 4 202112:47 PM EST
Leslie Josephs

American and United together cut more than 30,000 jobs last fall after the first round of payroll support expired.
American had braced employees for possible furloughs last week.
The latest round of payroll support expires March 31 and labor unions are seeking more government aid.

American Airlines sends warn notices to 13,000 workers
American Airlines on Wednesday said it will send furlough notices this week to about 13,000 employees as a second round of federal payroll aid is set to expire next month and travel demand remains in tatters.

“The vaccine is not being distributed as quickly as any of us believed, and new restrictions on international travel that require customers to have a negative COVID-19 test have dampened demand,” American’s CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom wrote in a note to staff.

Rival United Airlines last Friday sent similar furlough warnings to 14,000 staff members.

The latest $15 billion Congress approved for U.S. carriers late last year required airlines to recall the employees they furloughed in the fall and maintain payroll through March 31.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/america ... s-low.html

Yes but who are the workers?

Are they pilots or ground handling?

Because it sounds pretty odd they would send these warnings to all their pilots or engineers unless they faced bankruptcy.

QANTAS did the same thing. Thousands of staff dismissed and all their ticketing, check in staff and ground handling outsourced to Swiss Port and others.

It’s a cost saving measure.

UA has 12000 pilots and sending all of them warning letters is like declaring war on pretty much putting an end to their business. If even a quarter of them say “fuck this, I’m out” then UA are in deep shit!

Hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes that just won’t fly and costing millions or billions in maintenance and no revenue.

No, they were not all pilots for sure. They were employees across the board, which they will be all needed if the airlines ever are close to returning back to pre pandemic days. Now that the airlines have received the funds from the government by deadline March 31, 2021, it is happy days for the airlines and it’s employees again and not because of the economy and the demand from the flying public.

Well I’ve never heard of anyone get one of those letters. And if they did, it is probably because management wanted to get rid of some personalities or some boat rockers. That I have seen even where I work. If you rock the boat abd management have the perfect opportunity to sack them, they will and do in an instant.

The email I got early last year from HR was as nice as pie Kikapu. They didn’t want to burn any bridges that’s fir sure abd clearly said they want to take things from where they were left off once the situation stabilises.

Wish you the best and hope that it all works out for you.

Thanks. I’m in a state of shock. I’m actually so tired as well and should go to bed as I’m up very early in the morning with the sparrows but I don’t think sleep right now.

The whole saga had been an emotional roller coaster ride from April last year. From the Hughes of highs to down right shock horror, and despair and everything in between.

I’ve literally seen nothing like this before.

Covid stuffed a lot of things up that’s for sure.

I also put in a lot of time and effort into this. QANTAS guy reckons I should go but leave the fam behind for 6 months till they further stabilise their Covid crisis a bit more. I dunno...

It’s a hard life aviation Kikapu. Very hard. I know guys who have wrecked home life’s and divorces left right and centre. I don’t know how I survived through 16 years of marriage tbh...as hard is it is for us, it’s even harder on spouses and families. Dam hard...

I agree with the Qantas guy, especially if your position at your present place of work is on shaky grounds, so you are not losing too much by moving, and to add to that, if you are placed with regional routes with the majors in the US, you will be working off your ass with very little time for family life, so it may well be best to delay their move until you are comfortable with your move first.

I’m not in shaky ground however I was read the riot act last week as they are angry I turned down a training role and they are aware of what’s going on in the back ground as someone spilled the beans.

They want me to sign a 2 year contract with them with me undergoing checker approvals.

But the contract comes with a 30k bond. So if I leave them, I pay them out 30k... to alleviate their training costs and to lock me in. They too are in a state where they are bolstering the check and training department as they forecast a massive back log of recurrence training.

Problem they have is 30k isn’t really a huge consideration. It’s a nuisance at most but won’t stop me if the US contract is the same as last year and not butchered or given a haircut.

It pisses me off when a trusted person rats you out.

Yes, it is important to know what your US benefit and salary package will be before making any moves. The problem is, you won’t know for sure how long you will be on the regional route since the package changes by being on the major routes.