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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:48 pm

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Paphitis wrote:There is no longstanding animosity as far as I can tell at all. On the contrary, I believe relations with Cyprus are very warm.


The British are not only actively hostile against Cyprus they are actually pro-active taking the initiative on behalf of Turkey, or even instructing them against us when they are too dumb to think for themselves. We witnessed that hundreds of times from the 50s to date.
You seem to got stuck on the "Excellent, brilliant, benevolent and omniscient Anglo-Saxon planet where everything works fine" Paphitis. Sorry.

NB. Try convincing me that the recent visit of Teressa's at the British bases to "congratulate" the British soldiers-for what only God knows-, did not carry a hidden threat.


Pyro, forget about the fifties. Of course they would be hostile to us in the 50s as we were hostile towards them. They would have been friendly to us in the fourties as thousands of Cypriots served in the British Armed Forces. Australian Government even issued a medal to some Cypriots who fought alongside the Rats of Tobruk (Australian military that were under siege by the Germans in Tobruk). There were Cypriots assigned to The Rats of Tobruk and the Australian Government Recognized their service with distinctions. Is this something they would do if there was hostility?

It is as relevant the Britain's war with Germany and Japan in the 40s only a decade earlier.

Can you provide any examples of this open hostility in the last 10 or 20 years? What have they done lately to act in a hostile fashion to Cyprus? There must be some clear examples from their military or political elites that they are hostile to the RoC and support Turkey.
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:04 pm

Paphitis wrote:Can you provide any examples of this open hostility in the last 10 or 20 years? What have they done lately to act in a hostile fashion to Cyprus? There must be some clear examples from their military or political elites that they are hostile to the RoC and support Turkey.


I have edited my previous post providing some.
Assuming I 'd have the time i might in the future prepare a full list concerning the last 10-20 years.
For the moment I don't want to derail this topic any further.
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:13 pm

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Paphitis wrote:Can you provide any examples of this open hostility in the last 10 or 20 years? What have they done lately to act in a hostile fashion to Cyprus? There must be some clear examples from their military or political elites that they are hostile to the RoC and support Turkey.


I have edited my previous post providing some.
Assuming I 'd have the time i might in the future prepare a full list concerning the last 10-20 years.
For the moment I don't want to derail this topic any further.


OK, you provided one as follows:

Where should we start counting from? Damn not even the British justice is impartial for anything against us as long as it serves Turkey. Re: Cherries Blair's case the wife of the British PM paid directly from Turkey and WINNING lol. Just to lose later at the EU Court...


But this is a Judicial civil matter that is impartial to Government influence in theory unless you wish to judge that the Judiciary is never independent from the Government which is a huge can of worms if found to be true.

Even so, I think it isn't normal. Cherrie Blair was the wife of a former PM and the judge could have been influenced by that. Not saying he was, but it is possible.

But you can't extrapolate from this that the UK is against Cyprus. There must have been dozens of court rulings within the British Judiciary which favour the Republics Interests.

Things like this Parliamentary Research Briefing which does recognize property ownership rights of the displaced persons.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliame ... N05663.pdf

Do you have anymore evidence Pyro?

You are accusing that Britain has a systematic hatred for The Republic of Cyprus and will always undermine us and favour Turkey. Can you provide examples of this deep hatred?
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby miltiades » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:55 pm

I have always loved the Brits, the real Brits and not necessarily the British passport holders, after all a substantial part of my family are English. From my early days in the UK, way back in the very early 60s, I made a concerted effort to undersrand the English, I say English and not British as the two are so far apart. There are Asian Brits, Arab Brits, Pakistani Brits, in fact
the descriptive word British holds no true defining meaning for me.
Therefore I shall refer to the natives of the UK as English, Welsh, Scottish, NOT Irish.

I feel my self as part British, I love the country and have supported the nation throughout my life in the UK.
Having said this let me also state categorically that My support has never been unconditional, when my late father in law called me a terrorist and threw me out of his house I did not just simply lay down and take it. Britain had no right to occupy my birth country against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of my compatriots, the Cypriot people.
They, the British had no right to deny my nation the right to determine its own destiny. They, the establishment have through ages manipulated their very own people. They still do now, by the establishment I mean the succesive governments, they lie to the people because they know that the very vast majority of the people are easily indoctrinated, deceived, used. The battle of Britain was noble the battle of occupied people the world over was ...terrorism. By nature the Brits are gullible, not politically inclined to question " propaganda".

The Brits had no fuck7ng right to occupy my birth country, no right to enter ny house and bash my father up, no right to deny my people their right to chart their own destiny. The Brits designed our " independence" they knew it would not work, they planned it so it would not work.
It will take a Cypriot leader with balls to politely ask them to clear off, tell them that since you are not supporting our sovereignty, guarantors my arse , take your troops and to put it in an English fashion, fuck off out of our lands. You have contributed fuck all to our security, you remained silent when Turkey violated our sovereignty, you persistently remain silent, yet you made your selves " guarantors " of our independence.
Support us or fuck off !!
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:19 pm

miltiades wrote:I have always loved the Brits, the real Brits and nit necessarily the British passpirt hilders, after alk a substantial part of my family are English. From my early days in the UK, way back in the very early 60s, I made a concerted effort to undersrand the English, I say English and not British as the two are so far apart. There are Asian Brits, Arab Brits, Pakistani Brits, in fact
the descriptive word British holds no true defining meaning for me.
Therefore I shall refer to the natives of the UK as English, Welsh, Scottish, NOT Irish.

I feel my self as part British, I love the country and have supported the nation throughout my life in the UK.
Having said this let me also state categorically that My support has never been unconditional, when my late father in law called me a terrorist and threw me out of his house I did nit just simply lay down and take it. Britain had no right to occupy my birth country against the wishes of the iverwhelming majority of my compatriots, the Cypriot people.
They, the British had no right to deny my nation the right to determine its own destiny. They, the establishment have through ages manipulated their very own people. They still do now, by the establishment I mean the succesive governments, they lie to the people because they know that the very vast majority of the people are easily indoctrinated, deceived, used. The battle of Britain was noble the battle of occupied people the world over was ...terrorism. By nature the Brits are gullible, not politically inclined to question " propaganda".

The Brits had no fuck7ng right to occupy my birth country, ni right to enter ny house and bash my father up, no right to deny my people their right to chart their iwn destiny. The Brits designed our " independence" they knew it would not work, they planned it so it would not work.
It will take a Cypriot leader with balls to politely asje them to clear off, tell them that since you are not supporting our sovereignty, guarantors my arse , take your troops and ti put it in an English fashion, fuck off out of our lands. You have contributed fuck all to our security, you remained silent when Turkey violated our sovereignty, you persistently renain silent, yet you made your selves " guarantors " if our independence.
Support us or fuck off !!


In an ideal world no one has a right to occupy but that isn't realistic either especially in that era.

And yet, if it wasn't for the Brits we would either be still occupied by the Turks or the Russians. That would not have been very good either.

And as for your Father in law. It's understandable that he would throw you out of his house. I would have done the same and my daughter would have had to walk over my dead body to be with you. No friggin way would I have let that occur under such circumstances. In fact, this Father in Law of yours and British Officer who was stationed in Cyprus actually sounds far more reasonable than I could have ever been in a similar scenario. And this is of a man that lived decades earlier in more conservative times. If I was in his shoes, I would have had you by the nuts. You wouldn't have come back to the house for fear of your life.

But that is the difference between a polite Englishman and a stubborn Cypriot Donkey. Even though this British Officer eventually came round and let you in his house despite you helping to kill his soldiers, is a major step forward on his part as a sincere Gentleman, which is something I doubt I could do under such circumstance.
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby miltiades » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:08 pm

Mate, as always you are spot ...off !!
This English gentleman had the sense to listen to logic and realize that Britain had no business occupying my birth country, he also realized that Cypriot men are not terrorists never have been but people who wanted and denanded the right to forge their own destiny.
Very few Brits will in fact accept that the Brirish empire nurdered millions across the globe. They are simply not interested. Just as long as so and so prince fucks his wife and gives her a baby, eagerly awaiting for the next parasite to arrive!! By the way Im not a ...royalist !!
You portray your self as one who understands more about tge Brits than I !!! 56 years wasted then !!!!
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:14 pm

miltiades wrote:Mate, as always you are spot ...off !!
This English gentleman had the sense to listen to logic and realize that Britain had no business occupying my birth country, he also realized that Cypriot men are not terrorists never have been but people who wanted and denanded the right to forge their own destiny.
Very few Brits will in fact accept that the Brirish empire nurdered millions across the globe. They are simply not interested. Just as long as so and so prince fucks his wife and gives her a baby, eagerly awaiting for the next parasite to arrive!! By the way Im not a ...royalist !!
You portray your self as one who understands more about tge Brits than I !!! 56 years wasted then !!!!


That's what I said! This British Officer proved to be a Gentleman and probably very progressive and mild mannered to have let you anywhere near his daughter. I think he was right at the start when he threw you out of his house like trash!

You could expect no such thing from me mate. I would have had your guts for garters! Imagine my daughter bringing home a TMT thug or something. Yeh mate but sorry, I will draw blood and see red!

If I was in the shoes of this British Officer with my Kybreika miala, you would be running for your life! 8)

Even in this day and age, my daughter is spoken for and extremely protected. 8) Has to be the right family if you know what I mean.
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Jerry » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:46 pm

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Paphitis wrote:There is no longstanding animosity as far as I can tell at all. On the contrary, I believe relations with Cyprus are very warm.


The British are not only actively hostile against Cyprus they are actually pro-active taking the initiative on behalf of Turkey, or even instructing them against us when they are too dumb to think for themselves. We witnessed that hundreds of times from the 50s to date.
Where should we start counting from? Damn not even the British justice is impartial for anything against us as long as it serves Turkey. Re: Cherries Blair's case the wife of the British PM paid directly from Turkey and WINNING lol. Just to lose later at the EU Court...
You seem to got stuck on the "Excellent, brilliant, benevolent and omniscient Anglo-Saxon planet where everything works fine" Paphitis. Sorry.

NB. Try convincing me that the recent visit of Teressa's at the British bases to "congratulate" the British soldiers-for what only God knows-, did not carry a hidden threat.


Turkey never actually won and Cherie Blair lost in the English Court of Appeal; Milti, Bill C and myself witnessed her "humiliation". I got the impression that she always knew she would lose but Turkey's cash was too good to turn down. Turkey thought that "buying" the PM's wife would secure their case but unlike Cyprus, where the judge is likely to be your cousin, the judiciary are, in the main, scrupulously independent.


On 6 September 2006 a Judge of the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice in the UK allowed the Orams' appeal against registration and enforcement in Britain of the Cypriot judgment on the grounds that the application of the acquis communautaire was suspended in the occupied area. That court had nevertheless pointed out that, according to the relevant judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, the property rights of Mr. Apostolides in relation to the property in question remain in force and Mr. Apostolides remains the lawful owner of his property in Lapithos. It was also his opinion that the British couple were indeed trespassers.

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/embassies/emb ... 0Orams.pdf
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:45 pm

Jerry wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:There is no longstanding animosity as far as I can tell at all. On the contrary, I believe relations with Cyprus are very warm.


The British are not only actively hostile against Cyprus they are actually pro-active taking the initiative on behalf of Turkey, or even instructing them against us when they are too dumb to think for themselves. We witnessed that hundreds of times from the 50s to date.
Where should we start counting from? Damn not even the British justice is impartial for anything against us as long as it serves Turkey. Re: Cherries Blair's case the wife of the British PM paid directly from Turkey and WINNING lol. Just to lose later at the EU Court...
You seem to got stuck on the "Excellent, brilliant, benevolent and omniscient Anglo-Saxon planet where everything works fine" Paphitis. Sorry.

NB. Try convincing me that the recent visit of Teressa's at the British bases to "congratulate" the British soldiers-for what only God knows-, did not carry a hidden threat.


Turkey never actually won and Cherie Blair lost in the English Court of Appeal; Milti, Bill C and myself witnessed her "humiliation". I got the impression that she always knew she would lose but Turkey's cash was too good to turn down. Turkey thought that "buying" the PM's wife would secure their case but unlike Cyprus, where the judge is likely to be your cousin, the judiciary are, in the main, scrupulously independent.


On 6 September 2006 a Judge of the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice in the UK allowed the Orams' appeal against registration and enforcement in Britain of the Cypriot judgment on the grounds that the application of the acquis communautaire was suspended in the occupied area. That court had nevertheless pointed out that, according to the relevant judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, the property rights of Mr. Apostolides in relation to the property in question remain in force and Mr. Apostolides remains the lawful owner of his property in Lapithos. It was also his opinion that the British couple were indeed trespassers.

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/embassies/emb ... 0Orams.pdf


Thanks Jerry. Very helpfull link.

Happy New Year.
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Re: Looks like 2018 could start with a bang!

Postby Pyrpolizer » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:28 am

Jerry wrote:
Turkey never actually won and Cherie Blair lost in the English Court of Appeal; Milti, Bill C and myself witnessed her "humiliation". I got the impression that she always knew she would lose but Turkey's cash was too good to turn down. Turkey thought that "buying" the PM's wife would secure their case but unlike Cyprus, where the judge is likely to be your cousin, the judiciary are, in the main, scrupulously independent.


On 6 September 2006 a Judge of the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice in the UK allowed the Orams' appeal against registration and enforcement in Britain of the Cypriot judgment on the grounds that the application of the acquis communautaire was suspended in the occupied area. That court had nevertheless pointed out that, according to the relevant judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, the property rights of Mr. Apostolides in relation to the property in question remain in force and Mr. Apostolides remains the lawful owner of his property in Lapithos. It was also his opinion that the British couple were indeed trespassers.

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/embassies/emb ... 0Orams.pdf



This a a CY gov. document and has every reason to avoid describing the exact timeline.
The fact is that Cherie Blair did win the case in Sept 2006.
This is an indication that the British Justice might not be as independent as you think.
Furthermore I am certain a Cypriot Supreme court would know what to do without trying it's last chance to seek advice from ECJ...
Please don't under-estimate neither the capability nor the integrity of Cyprus' legal system..

Notice that considering one of the things the UK seeks to get rid of after Brexit is the ECJ rulings, I won't be surprised if the 2010 decision would one day be overturned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolides_v_Orams

In September 2006, the High Court of Justice ruled in favour of the Orams.
Mr Apostolides appealed the decision at the Court of Appeal which in turn referred the case to the European Court of Justice (ECJ), in Luxembourg.[11][12][13]

The ECJ in turn ruled in favour of Mr Apostolides (see next section below).

The case was then returned to the Court of Appeal in England which decided in favour of Meletios Apostolides on 19 January 2010.[14] According to one of the judges of the Court of Appeal panel, under the current system, this decision is final and no further escalation is possible.[15][16][17] However, the Orams tried to appeal to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom.[18]

On 26 March 2010, the U.K. Supreme Court refused permission for the Orams to take the case to appeal, effectively bringing it to a conclusion.[19] The Cyprus Mail reported that the Orams' had abandoned the property rather than demolish it.
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