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[DrCyprus]

My God, have they nothing better to protest about?! The pointless aggravation governments instil in people, all over a stupid name!

Whether they're Greek or not, historically the land they reside on was once considered a part of Macedonia, so it is a part of the lands history, and even in ancient times - it was Greek lands!

I know a dog walker from Macedonia, and when she first told me where she was from I automatically assumed she meant from Macedonia, Greece, as she is clearly ethnically Greek, but one day when talking about Greece she corrected me and said she wasn't Greek, that her heritage was Yugoslavian, though she said many Greeks have also assumed she's Greek. I know it's just one person, but I'd be surprised if a lot more people living there didn't have links to Greeks.

FYROM is part of what the Romans called the "Macedonian region" but in the days of Philip and Alexander the Great it was Paioneia and Dardaneia.

[Paphitis]

My God, have they nothing better to protest about?! The pointless aggravation governments instil in people, all over a stupid name!

Whether they're Greek or not, historically the land they reside on was once considered a part of Macedonia, so it is a part of the lands history, and even in ancient times - it was Greek lands!

I know a dog walker from Macedonia, and when she first told me where she was from I automatically assumed she meant from Macedonia, Greece, as she is clearly ethnically Greek, but one day when talking about Greece she corrected me and said she wasn't Greek, that her heritage was Yugoslavian, though she said many Greeks have also assumed she's Greek. I know it's just one person, but I'd be surprised if a lot more people living there didn't have links to Greeks.

She is right! She isn't Greek! She is Yugoslavian, or Slavic.

Macedonia of course is however very Greek as was Alexander the Great, and as is The Star of Vergina and so on. The Slavs arrived in the area in the 7th century AD.

This whole crisis stems from the TITO/Warsaw Pact/Soveit union Cold War era. TITO had a policy of attaching a so called "Macedonian" officer at each embassy around the world to promote the revisionist theory that Yugoslavia had entitlement to Macedonia, its history and its symbols.

Of course, this was just a means to an end as the real agenda was a Yugoslavian and Warsaw Pact invasion of Greece and a complete takeover of Thessaloniki for Russia's Mediterranean Fleet in the event that Turkey closes The Bosphorus.

The Skopjans are just still prosecuting the same policy.

So there is quite a lot at stake. This is a very real attack on Greece and its identity.

Greece and Turkey are just little pawns in a very big chess game which involves the superpowers and Pootin. He is making an each way bet of course to create maximum havoc and destruction against the EU. And Pootin has his agents in control of Greece right now, hence the traitorous behavior against Greece's interests.

All evil leads to Moscow.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/putin- ... es-russia/

[Paphitis]

So yes, it isn't about a name or a flag. it never was and it never will be.

It's about something else. And one day it will bring war to Greece and quite possibly, a massive destruction.

Unfortunately, both Greece and Turkey occupy a very strategic location and Russia needs Mediterranean ports. The Americans have a dime for a dozen.

And Greece is the easiest country to invade right now, or is the soft underbelly.

This is way FYROM has for decades published books, and maps depicting a "Greater Macedonia" which includes Thessaloniki. This started under TITO.

All roads lead to Pootin. The Americans know this which is why they are scrambling to sign FYROM up into NATO and make them an ally to Greece by Treaty before Pootin claims them.

[T_C]

She is right! She isn't Greek! She is Yugoslavian, or Slavic.

...and yet she looks so Greek! Honestly, I was so surprised to hear she considered herself a Yugoslavian when she looks so Greek (she's chiselled, and so beautiful by the way). IMO she even acts Greek (only without all the nationalistic baggage that makes a lot of good Greeks come across so intolerant), I suppose it's a questionable means to define someones ethnicity, but her thinking and command of vocabulary just screams "my ancestors are Greek". If it quacks like a duck and all that...

All I'm saying is, to me at least, it seems a similar situation to that of the Pontic Greeks, who's ancestors (perhaps only a tiny fraction of) still reside in the black sea region, as "Turks". Yes they're no longer pure Greeks, and a long shot away from what is palatable for the modern Greek, but they are historically connected to them one way or another.

I get the why the Greek government want to keep it historically accurate, but there are ways around that without whipping these people up in to a frenzy...less drama for Greeks I say...

[Paphitis]

She is right! She isn't Greek! She is Yugoslavian, or Slavic.

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...and yet she looks so Greek! Honestly, I was so surprised to hear she considered herself a Yugoslavian when she looks so Greek (she's chiselled, and so beautiful by the way). IMO she even acts Greek (only without all the nationalistic baggage that makes a lot of good Greeks come across so intolerant), I suppose it's a questionable means to define someones ethnicity, but her thinking and command of vocabulary just screams "my ancestors are Greek". If it quacks like a duck and all that...

All I'm saying is, to me at least, it seems a similar situation to that of the Pontic Greeks, who's ancestors (perhaps only a tiny fraction of) still reside in the black sea region, as "Turks". Yes they're no longer pure Greeks, and a long shot away from what is palatable for the modern Greek, but they are historically connected to them one way or another.

I get the why the Greek government want to keep it historically accurate, but there are ways around that without whipping these people up in to a frenzy...less drama for Greeks I say...

There are Australians that look like they are Greek.

Many Turks look Greek, but they are not Greek.

It is also possible that she is one of those Communist Greeks who's family had betrayed Greece back in the 1950s when their rebels were fighting the Greek Government during the Civil War. These rebels were supplied with weapons from both Yugoslavia and Russia and when they lost the war, they turned their backs on the country altogether and went into Yugoslavia.

She is also nationalistic. Rather she is driven by a very deep hatred of Greece which makes her no different. This despite her possible Greek heritage (which I do not rule out). Eiether way, the FYROM naming issue has as its main aim the complete destruction of Greece. Someone wants to see Greece decimated. The 2 choices are, Russia or USA. My advice is for everyone to look at each motives and what they have to gain.

Sadly, Greece has been betrayed many times and continues to be betrayed to this day.

Which is the reason why I spit on all Greek politicians and yearn for the day when the Military take control of Greece with the Tanks blowing The Greek Parliament to smithereens and every traitor caught inside it!

I want to see a great big motherfucker Abrams right inside Greece's Parliament friggin lining everyone up.

Unfortunately, I don't trust elected politicians anymore. I only trust the Greek military. Greece really needs the Military in power now. Look at their history. They have only done well with the Military Elites in control (Metaxas).

[Paphitis]

Go on people, have a real good think about it.

Greece is probably Israel's MOST important ally behind in the USA. So who wants to see Greece on its knees?

USA or Russia or Turkey?

Who is really behind this?

This is about ports into the Mediterranean, as was the entire Russian involvement in Syria.

The repercussions are going to be very severe and very dire not just for Greece, but also for Iran, Yemen, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Israel also needs a route for its Natural Gas as does Cyprus and Lebanon, Turkey, Syria are not available to them.

You've seen nothing yet.

[T_C]

There are Australians that look like they are Greek.

Many Turks look Greek, but they are not Greek.

It is also possible that she is one of those Communist Greeks that had betrayed Greece back in the 1950s when their rebels were fighting the Greek Government during the Civil war. these rebels were supplied with weapons from both Yugoslavia and Russia and when they lost the war, they turned their backs on the country altogether and went into Yugoslavia.

She is also nationalistic. rather she is driven by a very deep hatred of Greece which makes her no different.

Australia does not share a border with Greece so the resemblance is just that. She most definitely is not nationalistic, she considers herself British with (I'd say questionable) Yugoslavian roots.

It just seems a silly reason to bring more feeling of discontent to Greece...then again you'd rather they lived under the Junta than find an amicable solution, which says it all really...

[Paphitis]

There are Australians that look like they are Greek.

Many Turks look Greek, but they are not Greek.

It is also possible that she is one of those Communist Greeks that had betrayed Greece back in the 1950s when their rebels were fighting the Greek Government during the Civil war. these rebels were supplied with weapons from both Yugoslavia and Russia and when they lost the war, they turned their backs on the country altogether and went into Yugoslavia.

She is also nationalistic. rather she is driven by a very deep hatred of Greece which makes her no different.

Australia does not share a border with Greece so the resemblance is just that. She most definitely is not nationalistic, she considers herself British with (I'd say questionable) Yugoslavian roots.

It just seems a silly reason to bring more feeling of discontent to Greece...then again you'd rather they lived under the Junta than find an amicable solution, which says it all really...

But she has a hatred for Greece and she considers herself to be Yugoslavian and Macedonian.

If she wasn't Nationalistic, or she didn't have a hatred for Greece she wouldn't care about the Macedonia name at all. Those who do, only want to harm Greece.

It's about annexation of Greek lands, maybe not now, but in the future. For what end? For Thessaloniki of course.

Why is Nimitz and the USA involved? because they need to get FYROM into NATO (with Greece) and the only way they can do that is by brokering a deal. NATO is the biggest security blanket that actually protects Greece.

The stakes are very high and you can bet your bottom dollar that USA and Russia are jockeying for the upper hand. USA believe that getting FYROM in NATO will best suit Greek and US interests because the last thing they want is to have Russian Troops on Greece's northern border. A country of 2 million is no threat to Greece. But Russia is, and the fear is that FYROM doesn't get into NATO then it will go with Russia and then Greece is in trouble because they got Russia on its border and that isn't good at all.

Welcome back Cold War. Russia and USA are fighting for control here. If the Russians win, they are closer to the Aegean. Just 200 kms away in fact.

You accusation against Greece is actually very false T_C. Greece is the little pawn being manipulated here. But Greece does have a friend. it's just some people can't see it yet. They won't see it until they are invaded.

Russia will invade Greece way before it ever invades Turkey. that's because Turkey is strong and Greece is the weaker prospect and Russia is like a Shark circling the wounded bleeding Snapper Fish.

Anyone seen Varoufakis position on the matter?

I know that some of you think all my theories are far fetched. But ask any expert and put my theories to the test. Russia is NOT innocent, and they created thus issue as far back as 1950.

At the moment, Russia has innocent passage rights through The Bosphorus. If there is a war, they lose these rights. So they need supply route. either through Greece or Turkey.

[kurupetos]

[kurupetos]

P.S. Traitors, stop the troll!

Instead you can go f*ck yourselves!