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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:21 am

An analysis by Peter Koenig, who is an economist and geopolitical analyst, on the use of poison gas as a political tool for the justification of the West’s constant march toward war. IMO: It is informative …….. and a reasoned assessment by someone with the credentials to express a valid opinion.

Poison Gas – Weapon of Choice for “False News” - by Peter Koenig for the Saker blog

Poison gas is not only deadly, it often provokes a slow suffocating death. That, perpetrated on innocent children, is particularly cruel. But when such poison gas attacks are mere false flags, or by the new term, “false news”, and are used to provoke war, perhaps an all annihilating war, then humanity has turned to what it never should have become – a lowly-lowly herd of brainless zombies. Is that what we have become – brainless, greedy, selfish beings, no sense of solidarity, no respect for other beings; I am not even talking about humans, but any living being.

Poison gas, the weapon of choice for fear. Poisoning in Salisbury of the former Russian double-agent, Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, visiting her dad from Moscow. Poisoning with a nerve gas, called Novichok that was allegedly made in Russia. In the meantime, we know that nerve gas made in the former Soviet Union, now non-existent in Russia, was military grade and deadly. The gas used for the alleged attack was not deadly. We also know by now that the UK – all of their highest officials, from PM May down the ladder, lied so miserably that they will have a hard time recovering. It will backfire. Unlike the foreign secretary, Johnson boy pretended their secret bio-gas / bio-weapon laboratory Porton Down, just 13 km down the road from Salisbury, where the pair was allegedly found unconscious on a park bench, assured him the gas was made in Russia. Alas, the laboratories chief chemists testified later to the media that they could not be sure that the substance was made in Russia. No, of course not.

https://thesaker.is/poison-gas-weapon-of-choice-for-false-news/


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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:34 am

Incidentally the father of Alexander Litvinenko said in his interview that the poisoning of his son with polonium
was a very expensive business (he said it cost 38 million). Although the amount seems too high nevertheless radioactive material do cost a hell lot of money.

Similarly this "Novichok" operation.
It's a hell of an expensive method to kill someone.
In comparison here in Cyprus, we know the underground hires professional killers from abroad when they want to wipe someone off. And it only costs them 10-20 thousand euros.

Therefore it's obvious the #1 scope of this expensive method of attempted murder on the Skripals was to mess Russia.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:14 am

I don’t think I would place my trust in this as definitely being from Yulia Skripal ..... until I see and hear her saying it! We have no idea of what the authorities have told her nor what access she has had to the TV, Internet. E-mail etc. Does she speak English ... does anyone know? :?:

Metropolitan Police: Statement issued on behalf of Yulia Skripal - Apr 11, 2018 20:00 BST

We are issuing the following statement on behalf of Yulia Skripal, who continues to receive police support following her release from hospital:

Statement .........

http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-issued-on-behalf-of-yulia-skripal-302508

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby miltiades » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:16 pm

The British authorities continue to treat all as naive and stupid.
I do not for one second believe that the statement was from Yulia.
Traffic warden mentality exists also at higher levels. All that I can say to Scotland Yard is pull the other one its got bells.
The authorities will go to any length to convince the gullible public that this so called attack was Russian orchestrated.
I remember my early days in the UK way back in 1961 when I was considered a terrorist. This is what the BBC abd media told the British public, ni mention of the fact that Brittain was occupying by force Cyprus. Apparently freedom only applied ti those considered suitable to the British authorities. They, the establishment, lied and continue to lie to the British public.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:20 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:i stumbled upon this video that examines the Skripal incident from a very controversial POV.
A couple of people in the comments section think she's schizophrenic, but most thanked her for her work.
In any case I found it interesting.



Finished watching the video and I think she got a bit carried away with 'The Cartel' implication and the Free Mason connection rather than The Skripal incident. It was interesting but hard going if you are not into the 'symbolism' scene, which I am not. So, on that aspect I couldn't comment. What she actually said about the poisoning was basically common sense, much of which has already been covered on here. :wink:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:02 pm

The statement eleased by the Police was not written by a Russian speaker, it is described as being written in ‘British bureaucratese’! Some observations and further information from Moon of Alabama.

New Developments In The Skripal Drama - Police Statement, OPCW Report Release

While written in quotes it is doubtful that Yulia Skripal expressed any of these words. "At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services" is British bureaucratese, not the wording any Russian (or anyone else) with English as a second language would ever use.

The Russian embassy in Britain seriously doubts that the letter is from Yulia Skripal. It notes that despite the claim that Yulia has "access to friends and family" none of her nearest family members, who are in Russia, was recently contacted by her. It also notes a contradiction:

Particularly amazing is the phrase “no one speaks for me” appearing in a statement which, instead of being read on camera by Yulia herself, is published at Scotland Yard website.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/new-developments-in-the-skripal-drama-police-statement-opcw-report-release.html#mor

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:01 am

Compare her with Boris Jonson .... no contest!

At least she sounds as if she knows what she is talking about. Maria Vladimirovna Zakharova (Russian: Мария Владимировна Захарова; born 24 December 1975) is the Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. She covers both the Syrian and Salisbury stories.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman tells Sky News Moscow will protect its people .................

http://newsvideo.su/video/8607930
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:59 pm

Oooop’s, another blunder in the Skripal saga! :o :oops:

The OPCW says their samples were of high purity. If you read this analysis by someone who seems to know their way around these nerve agents, as well as being a very good analyst, any of the scenarios painted by the UK government is not possible.

This level of purity found by the OPCW means that the sample came direct from a competent and well equipped laboratory, to meet any of the governments scenarios it would have needed further additives ….. and these additives, any additives, are not present. That means it could only have been applied directly ……

Explain that! :roll: :wink:

A Curious Incident Part IX

Observations on the OPCW Report


The OPCW report dated April 12th, 2018 was released in two versions. The minimal public version is available here. The full report is only being made available to State Parties and will likely make its way into the public domain at a later date.
The OPCW public report contains a surprising amount of information if you know what to look for.

OPCW – Key Finding

At paragraph 11 the OPCW report states:

The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.

This is an explosive finding. It completely undermines the statements of the May government.

https://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-ix/
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:49 pm

This incident gets more curious every day. I saw Lavrof giving his press conference on RT yesterday .... but it has not been mentioned on the MSM at all. It looks as if a whistle blower has furnished the bits missing or removed from the report before it was circulated. This event really should be investigated to get to the truth ..... but it won't! Does May have some explaining to do or has she been duped as well? :roll:

Were the Skripals 'Buzzed', 'Novi-shocked' Or Neither? - May Has Some 'Splaining' To Do

The Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation, Sergey Lavrov, threw a bombshell at the British assertions that the collapse of the British secret agent Sergej Skripal and his daughter Yulia on March 4 in Salisbury was caused by a 'Novichok' nerve agent 'of a type developed by Russia'.

During a public speech yesterday Lavrov stated of the OPCW report:

[A] detailed and fairly substantial confidential version was distributed to the OPCW members only. In that report, in accordance with the OPCW way of conduct, the chemical composition of the agent presented by the British was confirmed, and the analysis of samples, as the report states, was taken by the OPCW experts themselves. It contains no names, Novichok or any other. The report only gives the chemical formula, which, according to our experts, points to an agent that had been developed in many countries and does not present any particular secret.

After receiving that report Russia was tipped off by the Spiez Laboratory or someone else that the OPCW report did not include the full results of its analysis.

According to Lavrov this is what the Spiez Laboratory originally sent to the OPCW:

“Following our analysis, the samples indicate traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursor which are second category chemical weapons. BZ is a nerve toxic agent, which temporarily disables a person. The psycho toxic effect is achieved within 30 to 60 minutes after its use and lasts for up to four days. This composition was in operational service in the armies of the US, the UK and other NATO countries. The Soviet Union and Russia neither designed nor stored such chemical agents.

Also, the samples indicate the presence of type A-234 nerve agent in its virgin state and also products of its degradation.”
The "presence of type A-234 nerve agent", an agent of the so called 'Novichok' series, in its "virgin state", or as the OPCW stated in "high purity", points to later addition to the sample. The 'Novichok' agents are not stable. They tend to fall rapidly apart. Their presence in "virgin state" in a sample which was taken 15 days after the Skripal incident happened is inexplicable.

A scientist of the former Russian chemical weapon program who worked with similar agents, Leonid Rink, says that if the Skripals had really been exposed to such high purity A-234 nerve agent, they would be dead.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/where-the-skripals-buzzed-novi-shocked-or-neither-may-has-some-splaining-to-do.html#more

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:25 pm

Robin Hood wrote:This incident gets more curious every day. I saw Lavrof giving his press conference on RT yesterday .... but it has not been mentioned on the MSM at all. It looks as if a whistle blower has furnished the bits missing or removed from the report before it was circulated. This event really should be investigated to get to the truth ..... but it won't! Does May have some explaining to do or has she been duped as well? :roll:

Were the Skripals 'Buzzed', 'Novi-shocked' Or Neither? - May Has Some 'Splaining' To Do

The Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation, Sergey Lavrov, threw a bombshell at the British assertions that the collapse of the British secret agent Sergej Skripal and his daughter Yulia on March 4 in Salisbury was caused by a 'Novichok' nerve agent 'of a type developed by Russia'.

During a public speech yesterday Lavrov stated of the OPCW report:

[A] detailed and fairly substantial confidential version was distributed to the OPCW members only. In that report, in accordance with the OPCW way of conduct, the chemical composition of the agent presented by the British was confirmed, and the analysis of samples, as the report states, was taken by the OPCW experts themselves. It contains no names, Novichok or any other. The report only gives the chemical formula, which, according to our experts, points to an agent that had been developed in many countries and does not present any particular secret.

After receiving that report Russia was tipped off by the Spiez Laboratory or someone else that the OPCW report did not include the full results of its analysis.

According to Lavrov this is what the Spiez Laboratory originally sent to the OPCW:

“Following our analysis, the samples indicate traces of the toxic chemical BZ and its precursor which are second category chemical weapons. BZ is a nerve toxic agent, which temporarily disables a person. The psycho toxic effect is achieved within 30 to 60 minutes after its use and lasts for up to four days. This composition was in operational service in the armies of the US, the UK and other NATO countries. The Soviet Union and Russia neither designed nor stored such chemical agents.

Also, the samples indicate the presence of type A-234 nerve agent in its virgin state and also products of its degradation.”
The "presence of type A-234 nerve agent", an agent of the so called 'Novichok' series, in its "virgin state", or as the OPCW stated in "high purity", points to later addition to the sample. The 'Novichok' agents are not stable. They tend to fall rapidly apart. Their presence in "virgin state" in a sample which was taken 15 days after the Skripal incident happened is inexplicable.

A scientist of the former Russian chemical weapon program who worked with similar agents, Leonid Rink, says that if the Skripals had really been exposed to such high purity A-234 nerve agent, they would be dead.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/where-the-skripals-buzzed-novi-shocked-or-neither-may-has-some-splaining-to-do.html#more



Laughable indeed :lol: :lol:
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