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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:23 pm

Thursday, September 15, 2016
‘Dream solution’ of a federal Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/09/15/dream ... al-cyprus/

...we are near a solution, we hope at least.

...wish I was there, Mr. Alper; I hope to be reading about the lecture in any case, hope it is well received.

...indeed, Cyprus is the template, where, if perfect, its emulation in Turkey, another country in need of Constitutional reform, in need of a solution like a BBF, would be enriching. One Flag flies highest in Turkey, where one does not imagine a Turkey broken apart. One Flag in Cyprus, likewise on the same basis. Cypriot Constituencies can exist within a Federal Republic, at another level of Government, Turkish Constituencies in the same manner can exist, too.

...minority rights, what a majority means, and the willingness to defend each other without distinction or discrimination as a whole, all have to be defined, (in Cyprus). Along with the words Freedom and Libert(ies)y, State and Nation(s), Individual and Person(s), Equality and Equal(s), quite beyond Left and Right, or "Greek" and "Turk", there is, a Cypriot way which when realised one hopes all Humanity will gain from its clarity; an end to the Problem, meanings for these words held in high esteem, and engaged.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:42 pm

Here Lordo, you might enjoy this one, how to be obnoxious and make people think,

Thursday, November 22, 2012
Cyprus :: new peace plan being reported on simerini - Page 2
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39405-10.html#p736996

...there has to be one State. Cyprus, its Heritance is too valuable to be dismissed. Cyprus has never been divided, it is an island after-all.

let us not forget that we will be dead soon enough and that what is natural is change. so let us imagine in two hundred years, or one hundred years or fifty, to be realistic. if you imagine a population of twelve million, i'll agree; do the math. do you imagine a population by demographics quite different, scary huh? embrace the future, you may resist, but you will fail thinking that time stops; and that things are perfect the way they are.

...Cyprus needs a perfect government if you will. it must serve its Citizens, without any discrimination or distinction, all are equals. it must be able to express and demonstrate the will of this People toward Universal Principals having the aim to better them. and yet this expression of an Identity is not enough because we are Individuals, but not only, as Persons we seek Self-Representation as well. Bicommunal is not new, and such a course in Cyprus serves a very complex ethnography, it is up to the Greeks, indeed, they are an overwhelming majority, to decide what course Cyprus shall take, and representing themselves internally through a Constituency, does not prevent them, as Cypriots, their voice within a greater whole.

the debate is flawed, it serves the interests of the Nationalists amongst us who would foresake anything else, other than their own Community interests. this vision is better served within their respective Communities, if in the infrastructure they provide, it accomodates accordingly the minorities living amongst them. The State, on the other hand, should neither be Greek or Turkish, it is Cypriot.

you want peace...

...where is the Greek Constituency?


...my, "(Cypriot Nationalism)", does it not make sense to you?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:47 pm

Wednesday, April 07, 2021
Petition launches to support reunification
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/06/peti ... ification/


...such an organisation is at its advent. One hopes that among its leadership soon, Turkish Cypriots too.

This summer, free from Covid, "picnics" will be possible. Cypriots may join together, making souvla on their beaches, and, under the one Flag rightfully theirs, (the one the "others" (those "Greek" and "Turkish") treat as a rag,) peacefully.

...for at least half the voting public, (any way you count it,) it is not hard for them to imagine something like this; something to think about.

I am encouraged by such action, that people are taking the Problem in their own hands: as Cypriots.

..."Greekness" may have been defeated, with their "successful" coup that brought them down in '74.

..."Turkishness" presents the same existential threat, today, to Cypriots, (and Turkey).

Both dogmas have demonstrated their failings, toward Cypriots, this is clear.

Cypriots may reconsider their position in such a debate, as it is between "them", which has left Cypriots silenced for so long, as though, what a Cypriot "is", is non-existent until "they" decide what it is.

...yet, the People seeking change (from "this") grows.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby Lordo » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:34 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Here Lordo, you might enjoy this one, how to be obnoxious and make people think,

Thursday, November 22, 2012
Cyprus :: new peace plan being reported on simerini - Page 2
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39405-10.html#p736996

...there has to be one State. Cyprus, its Heritance is too valuable to be dismissed. Cyprus has never been divided, it is an island after-all.

let us not forget that we will be dead soon enough and that what is natural is change. so let us imagine in two hundred years, or one hundred years or fifty, to be realistic. if you imagine a population of twelve million, i'll agree; do the math. do you imagine a population by demographics quite different, scary huh? embrace the future, you may resist, but you will fail thinking that time stops; and that things are perfect the way they are.

...Cyprus needs a perfect government if you will. it must serve its Citizens, without any discrimination or distinction, all are equals. it must be able to express and demonstrate the will of this People toward Universal Principals having the aim to better them. and yet this expression of an Identity is not enough because we are Individuals, but not only, as Persons we seek Self-Representation as well. Bicommunal is not new, and such a course in Cyprus serves a very complex ethnography, it is up to the Greeks, indeed, they are an overwhelming majority, to decide what course Cyprus shall take, and representing themselves internally through a Constituency, does not prevent them, as Cypriots, their voice within a greater whole.

the debate is flawed, it serves the interests of the Nationalists amongst us who would foresake anything else, other than their own Community interests. this vision is better served within their respective Communities, if in the infrastructure they provide, it accomodates accordingly the minorities living amongst them. The State, on the other hand, should neither be Greek or Turkish, it is Cypriot.

you want peace...

...where is the Greek Constituency?


...my, "(Cypriot Nationalism)", does it not make sense to you?

Nothing good has come out of any nationalist movements in the world. The only time there has been any progress is when the progressive people started a liberation movements, only to lose it to the nationalists afterwards.

Cypriot nationalism is a contridiction in terms as they will try to kill each other. I will grant them one piece of credit, they are very good at cooperating with each other when they have a win win situation but only at the expense of the ordinary folk.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:00 pm

"Nationalism", Lordo, is a living thing. It is even fluid in its meaning. It is a part of our existence as social animals, and as Humans. Denial does not defeat "it", as it is seen in its use by murderers, plunderers and thieves. Justice must be seen. That is why such Heroes who fought against such vile thinking, "Greekness" and "Turkishness", in Cyprus should be revered.

...and if we (the living) listen to the families of the disappeared, Turkish and Greek, a monument will be built to list their names together, also as fallen Heroes, and as Cypriots.
(such is Nationalism)

Yes Lordo, i agree, it is from the People, that changes are made. Existentially, i ask, have we arrived at that point, where Cypriots will gather, with or without their Leadership, for such a State, where Cypriots defend each other?

..."they", remember Lordo, were never busy killing each other; they were busy killing "us".

And in a world that is dialectic, i suggest in Cyprus, split as it is in terms of its "Nationalism" right now, "Cypriotness" is its opposite.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:17 am

Sunday, October 08, 2006
What we learn from the Amish
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtop ... 0519#70519


In church today, the sermon was about the Amish tragedy of last week. Five of their children were murdered most brutally, and yet their first acts as individuals, and as a community was, first, to forgive. The priest told us of the account he read, the mother of the murderer, welcomed to grieve with them, the harmony that comes from the respect of all living things, and the grace to remain, as giving individuals, faithful to their way of life, and the God that they believe in.

Acts of hatred and intolerance are woeful things. We are unable to understand them. We become these things, as weaker individuals, because reason and charity are the choice we have, we were 'given', unique in the system of living things.The Amish may appear fanatical, in this trust, but they are not. They are the example, to which we aspire, in our loftier moments.

In Cyprus, isolated as it is, being an island, we share in the effect of small communities. Thus the denial, which affects us is all the more hurtful. Let us say that this is God's plan, to begin again, but to hold to the blessing of love. You know that my family has suffered greatly with many disappeared. I know that this is true for all of us. I accept, my responsibility, and I respect this loss by the hope to which I apply myself for life's betterment.

The resolution of our impasse will not come from the blame which may never find closure. In our hearts this black void cannot be filled by revenge. Asking yourself what you deserve to get, offers no relief. Asking ourselves what we have to give may lead to the peace and prosperity that is the best state, as well as our desire.

You see, fanaticism, is not necessarily a bad thing. As individuals, it is what we do with it.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:48 am

Sunday, April 18, 2021
Anastasiades: Turkey has reconfirmed its intransigent stance on Cyprus (Updated)
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/16/anas ... on-cyprus/


...no need to despair, there is still something to talk about; and it being an informal discussion, talk most useful.

I ask: what of Cypriot Constituencies? What with our desire for Freedom as Individuals and our Liberty as Persons, it would seem to me that it should be easy to discern the needs of each, as Persons, that are the same.

Indeed, in Cyprus, such a Constituency for Turkish Cypriots is a start. Why not a Greek Constituency; its equal? Certainly having the numbers, (and having the same needs as Arabic Cypriots, Armenian, and Latins), such National Assemblies, (at this level of Government), offer the possibility of sustaining these distinct identities through self-representation, and as such, also as a capacity demonstrating toward their minorities the same Goodwill; (being Cypriots to start with).

The Republic of Cyprus exists. There is no need to talk about that. But within, its Constitutional Reform is needed.

I would say to Mr. Cavusoglu, that Turkey needs this reform (a BBF) far more than Cyprus. Let us recall that what has for decades torn Cyprus in two, "Turkishness", is now tearing at Turkey herself. Let us also recall that the BBF, originally, was a Turkish demand which the Republic is (still) willing to consider as a good compromise; tearing the island in two, like the baby in Solomon's example is not a solution because it is a living thing. So too in Turkey. They, are a People: not a dogma some follow excluding the rest as "others". What makes "Greekness" any different to "Turkishness" therefore? A BBF in Turkey, in effect, is not that hard to imagine.

What is a State, i'd ask. What are Nations?
...indeed, what of Turkish Constituencies?

Two years till Turkey's Centennial, and so much more has been linked to the Problem. We may be surprised that it is Erdogan that solves it in time, removing the tarnish on Turkey's shine to much International esteem. Hence, a Legacy of Fame, not infamy awaits. But it starts here, at its root in Cyprus, with a small change in intentions.

"Nothing to talk about", is fluff for anxious readers back home. I am hopeful.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:19 pm

Sunday, October 29, 2017
Our divided state is a troubled soul

http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/10/29/divid ... bled-soul/


...well said, and needed to be said; what about the Communal Chamber, what about the Constitution that needs reform? Can we as Cypriots accept that "Greeks" and "Turks" hold the Agenda of our political lives, and that we as Cypriots to keep our Freedom must fight against them in opposition?

...more so because Cyprus is the key (there is, a Flag of Cyprus). What way is found to the Problem in Cyprus, offers its hope to Turkey (and for the same reasons); it is Turkey's National issue.

...a Cyprus united is a Turkey united. What "Greekness" has done is no different to what "Turkishness" is doing, now in Turkey. It is the other way around, Turkey, those not "Turkish", need Cyprus', Cypriots, help.

...let's not forget that the USA and Canada to name two, are BBFs; intentions count.
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