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[Pyrpolizer]

It won't be on a downward trend from now on. I see it breaking 10 Euros. It has all the traits of a Bullish stock because of the possibility of the Apple takeover. If Apple take it over, then it could even go 15 Euros.

If the buyout occurs, Milti won't be selling at 7 Euros, he might be selling at 15 Euros or even 20 Euros. If Apple move in, then the stock will go ballistic. Everyone is going to want some shares in it. The problem for Milti will occur if Apple run away from Tom Tom. But he has a stop loss for that too so he has reduced his risk.

So Milti has got in at the right time, and now needs to pick his exit strategy. If the takeover falls through, then he sells out at 7 Euros.

How do you know it won't be on a downward trend from now on when it's has already been on the downward trend for almost a year?
if it's going to be on upward trend then there is less and less incentive for the buyout to ever occur. And in fact the whatever upward push that currently exists will vanish and that may happen suddenly with the announcement that the whatever negotiations for a sellout failed. If this happens Milti will be lucky to be able to sell at his target low of 7.

Considering what he said, I'd personally set the selling target to maximum 8.5. Milti set it to 12!!

Usually when a company is the subject of a corporate takeover, the trend is always upwards. I've never seen a downward trend when there is takeover speculation.

Now, if you add the fact that the predator company is Apple, then it is PARTY TIME for Tom Tom.

Apple will open Tom Tom to Billions of mobile devices such as IPhone, IPADs and MAC Computers. Profits for Tom Tom will sky Rocket which means money is just changing pockets to another company they own.

No one knows for sure, but it is a stock that has very interesting prospects.

It's the type of stock managed fund managers and instiutional investors would be interested in with Apple lurking in the shadows.

What are you talking about man? If Apple buys it it won't be TomTom anymore.
Simply the TomTom shares will be exchanged with Apple shares at a fixed rate plus the option to get cash.
Problem is the higher the TomTom price gets the more difficult it is for the buyout to occur.
It puzzles me how it didn't even cross your mind that these rumors for a buyout from Apple were not deliberately spread to stop the downward trend of TomTom.
Like I said before TomTom may be doing fine as a stand alone company, but there's nothing in it that Apple couldn't just design by itself.
It's just a software after all. As for their maps base that started with buying the Tele atlas base and improving it, it already proved too expensive for other competitive companies to continue doing/updating their own maps. Sygic was doing it before and stopped. IGO was using Microsoft's maps but couldn't keep up with the updates. And where's Garmin that was on top some 10 years ago? Today the survived Navigation companies rely mostly on Google.
So what is it actually that Apple tries to buy?? A company on decline?

[Paphitis]

It won't be on a downward trend from now on. I see it breaking 10 Euros. It has all the traits of a Bullish stock because of the possibility of the Apple takeover. If Apple take it over, then it could even go 15 Euros.

If the buyout occurs, Milti won't be selling at 7 Euros, he might be selling at 15 Euros or even 20 Euros. If Apple move in, then the stock will go ballistic. Everyone is going to want some shares in it. The problem for Milti will occur if Apple run away from Tom Tom. But he has a stop loss for that too so he has reduced his risk.

So Milti has got in at the right time, and now needs to pick his exit strategy. If the takeover falls through, then he sells out at 7 Euros.

How do you know it won't be on a downward trend from now on when it's has already been on the downward trend for almost a year?
if it's going to be on upward trend then there is less and less incentive for the buyout to ever occur. And in fact the whatever upward push that currently exists will vanish and that may happen suddenly with the announcement that the whatever negotiations for a sellout failed. If this happens Milti will be lucky to be able to sell at his target low of 7.

Considering what he said, I'd personally set the selling target to maximum 8.5. Milti set it to 12!!

Usually when a company is the subject of a corporate takeover, the trend is always upwards. I've never seen a downward trend when there is takeover speculation.

Now, if you add the fact that the predator company is Apple, then it is PARTY TIME for Tom Tom.

Apple will open Tom Tom to Billions of mobile devices such as IPhone, IPADs and MAC Computers. Profits for Tom Tom will sky Rocket which means money is just changing pockets to another company they own.

No one knows for sure, but it is a stock that has very interesting prospects.

It's the type of stock managed fund managers and instiutional investors would be interested in with Apple lurking in the shadows.

What are you talking about man? If Apple buys it it won't be TomTom anymore.
Simply the TomTom shares will be exchanged with Apple shares at a fixed rate plus the option to get cash.
Problem is the higher the TomTom price gets the more difficult it is for the buyout to occur.
It puzzles me how it didn't even cross your mind that these rumors for a buyout from Apple were not deliberately spread to stop the downward trend of TomTom.
Like I said before TomTom may be doing fine as a stand alone company, but there's nothing in it that Apple couldn't just design by itself.
It's just a software after all. As for their maps base that started with buying the Tele atlas base and improving it, it already proved too expensive for other competitive companies to continue doing/updating their own maps. Sygic was doing it before and stopped. IGO was using Microsoft's maps but couldn't keep up with the updates. And where's Garmin that was on top some 10 years ago? Today the survived Navigation companies rely mostly on Google.
So what is it actually that Apple tries to buy?? A company on decline?

Not necessarily Pyro.

What usually happens is that Tom Tom will continue to trade as Tom Tom, with its own Intellectual Property, workforce, assets and corporate identity. Apple will only control it.

Apple do not know anything about mapping or GPS industry and it isn't their corp business. It will not suit them to rape the Tom Tom name brand. What apple want is the maps and to use their GPS NAV on their Apple eco-system.

They will probably only merge IT and Human Resources which means Tom Tom will reduce its overhead. A big plus for them. In addition, Tom Tom will just massively increase their "sales" to the Apple/Itunes ecosystem, and will just go from strength to strength. To Apple, its just shovelling money from one Balance Sheet to another Balance Sheet they control.

Tom Tom will just continue to trade. It will be its own entity on the stock market. They will not be exchanged for Apple shares in Europe or Sweden. Apple will keep the name brand and just control it.

For instance, Google bought YouTube, Skype and so many other companies. Most of them are still their own entities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... y_Alphabet

The only thing that will happen to Tom Tom is that their price will just go ballistic. With Apple in control, they will never go down. It is as Blue Chip as you can get.

It doesn't make sense for Apple to just do away with the Tom Tom brand. It will be a business and its own entity still and can be sold off as its own entity but Apple won't sell it probably because Tom Tom will be their answer to Google Maps.

If Apple spread these rumors deliberately to mislead the market, then the FBI will be coming to Apple. It's just something Apple will not do. They are not going to help out Tom Tom, and in addition Apple will not be paying the same share price. it will just be a negotiated amount and Apple will just make an offer which will either be accepted or declined. It probably wouldn't make any sense for Tom Tom to decline because once they are in the Apple ecosystem it is PARTY TIME for them. In addition, it wouldn't matter if Apple paid too much either. This would be a strategic move on their part and paying a couple of hundred million or even a Billion in premium isn't really a big concern to a company worth hundreds of Billions. It's pocket change to Apple.

Apple is an APEX Predator = Lion, or Great White Shark.

Tom Tom = a Zebra that is about to get taken.

[miltiades]

Pyrpolizer, the name of the game is to sell at a higher price than that paid. You appear to fixated by prices going back a year or more. Im just a down to earth speculator, I buy at a cent and sell for 2. I double my money. I will sell at 12 euros, will then be richer by 5000 euros. You want to learn about speculative trading, then contact me, but it will cost you a cool 10% of your profit. Conditions are attached of course. Will reveal later. In the meantime just watch and learn. Remember Ripple XRP ? This is one to watch also.

[Pyrpolizer]

Not necessarily Pyro.

What usually happens is that Tom Tom will continue to trade as Tom Tom, with its own Intellectual Property, workforce, assets and corporate identity. Apple will only control it.

Apple do not know anything about mapping or GPS industry and it isn't their corp business. It will not suit them to rape the Tom Tom name brand. What apple want is the maps and to use their GPS NAV on their Apple eco-system.

They will probably only merge IT and Human Resources which means Tom Tom will reduce its overhead. A big plus for them. In addition, Tom Tom will just massively increase their "sales" to the Apple/Itunes ecosystem, and will just go from strength to strength. To Apple, its just shovelling money from one Balance Sheet to another Balance Sheet they control.

Tom Tom will just continue to trade. It will be its own entity on the stock market. They will not be exchanged for Apple shares in Europe or Sweden. Apple will keep the name brand and just control it.

The only thing that will happen to Tom Tom is that their price will just go ballistic. With Apple in control, they will never go down. It is as Blue Chip as you can get.

It doesn't make sense for Apple to just do away with the Tom Tom brand. It will be a business and its own entity still and can be sold off as its own entity but Apple won't sell it probably because Tom Tom will be their answer to Google Maps.

You make me laugh Paphitis because you are always assuming things.

For a start what you are talking about will never happen, simply because Apple is not that kind of company.
Apple invests and does things their own way right from scratch or via buying small fresh companies that have innovative ideas and even then polishes out things to their own standards. Impossible to do that with TomTom. Fyi they already have their own navigation application at their Iphones having purchased data not only from TomTom but from hundreds of other sources. However the application proved to be below the standards expected from iphone users so Apple went along doing exactly what TomTom, Google and others are doing in collecting their own data having hired more than 4000 people in India in May 2016. The project is still ongoing and there's obviously no reason to abandon it and buy the whole of TomTom company when they can still buy as much as they need from their maps database.
http://geoawesomeness.com/apple-maps-hyderabad/

It's clear to me considering how Apple works that this prospect of ever buying TomTom as a whole is just a deliberately spread rumor to boost TomTom's shares value..

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyrpolizer, the name of the game is to sell at a higher price than that paid. You appear to fixated by prices going back a year or more. Im just a down to earth speculator, I buy at a cent and sell for 2. I double my money. I will sell at 12 euros, will then be richer by 5000 euros. You want to learn about speculative trading, then contact me, but it will cost you a cool 10% of your profit. Conditions are attached of course. Will reveal later. In the meantime just watch and learn. Remember Ripple XRP ? This is one to watch also.

Not interested in gambling, sorry.

[Paphitis]

Not necessarily Pyro.

What usually happens is that Tom Tom will continue to trade as Tom Tom, with its own Intellectual Property, workforce, assets and corporate identity. Apple will only control it.

Apple do not know anything about mapping or GPS industry and it isn't their corp business. It will not suit them to rape the Tom Tom name brand. What apple want is the maps and to use their GPS NAV on their Apple eco-system.

They will probably only merge IT and Human Resources which means Tom Tom will reduce its overhead. A big plus for them. In addition, Tom Tom will just massively increase their "sales" to the Apple/Itunes ecosystem, and will just go from strength to strength. To Apple, its just shovelling money from one Balance Sheet to another Balance Sheet they control.

Tom Tom will just continue to trade. It will be its own entity on the stock market. They will not be exchanged for Apple shares in Europe or Sweden. Apple will keep the name brand and just control it.

The only thing that will happen to Tom Tom is that their price will just go ballistic. With Apple in control, they will never go down. It is as Blue Chip as you can get.

It doesn't make sense for Apple to just do away with the Tom Tom brand. It will be a business and its own entity still and can be sold off as its own entity but Apple won't sell it probably because Tom Tom will be their answer to Google Maps.

You make me laugh Paphitis because you are always assuming things.

For a start what you are talking about will never happen, simply because Apple is not that kind of company.
Apple invests and does things their own way right from scratch or via buying small fresh companies that have innovative ideas and even then polishes out things to their own standards. Impossible to do that with TomTom. Fyi they already have their own navigation application at their Iphones having purchased data not only from TomTom but from hundreds of other sources. However the application proved to be below the standards expected from iphone users so Apple went along doing exactly what TomTom, Google and others are doing in collecting their own data having hired more than 4000 people in India in May 2016. The project is still ongoing and there's obviously no reason to abandon it and buy the whole of TomTom company when they can still buy as much as they need from their maps database.
http://geoawesomeness.com/apple-maps-hyderabad/

It's clear to me considering how Apple works that this prospect of ever buying TomTom as a whole is just a deliberately spread rumor to boost TomTom's shares value..

I have never seen a company just being absorbed after a takeover. A Takeover just means control of most of the voting rights. It doesn't mean Apple will own 100% of all shares.

This is the way it works in the corporate world. Giant Banks control lots of smaller banks and these smaller Banks still trade on the market.

Big Airlines control little airlines and the little airlines still trade on the market.

News Limited control companies like Fox, Century 21, Sky, and other TV Stations and newspapers which still trade on the stock market.

If all these companies ceased to exist on the Stock Exchange, then will will eventually only be left with Banks and other APEX predators like Google, Microsoft, Apple, and so on.

But that isn't the way it works. When you look into the prospectus of smaller companies, they disclose in their that the controlling share holder is such and such Bank or Apple or whoever. Major shareholders of 1% or more are disclosed to the public.

[Paphitis]

Pyrpolizer, the name of the game is to sell at a higher price than that paid. You appear to fixated by prices going back a year or more. Im just a down to earth speculator, I buy at a cent and sell for 2. I double my money. I will sell at 12 euros, will then be richer by 5000 euros. You want to learn about speculative trading, then contact me, but it will cost you a cool 10% of your profit. Conditions are attached of course. Will reveal later. In the meantime just watch and learn. Remember Ripple XRP ? This is one to watch also.

Not interested in gambling, sorry.

It isn't gambling.

the market outperforms property and land.

You can gamble if you want, but Blue Chip investing is not what you would call "gambling"

Money doubles every 5 to 7 years on average. It's a very valid investment strategy and Australians participate in a compulsory scheme of investing a portion of their income (10%) into Shares and those funds are currently worth more than the entire USA GDP.

This scheme was introduced by Paul Keating, and it was the smartest thing Australia did.

Can you actually comprehend that Australians have Trillions worth of invested funds which they will only be allowed to access at the age of 65? Do you understand how good that is for Australia and for the retiree?

For every $100 dollars earned by any citizen, they have $10 in shares. So from the age of 18, this $10 will be worth:

$20 by age 25
$40 by age 32
$80 by age 39
$160 by age 46
$320 by age 53
$640 by age 60
$1280 by age 67

[Pyrpolizer]

I have never seen a company just being absorbed after a takeover. A Takeover just means control of most of the voting rights. It doesn't mean Apple will own 100% of all shares.

This is the way it works in the corporate world. Giant Banks control lots of smaller banks and these smaller Banks still trade on the market.

Big Airlines control little airlines and the little airlines still trade on the market.

News Limited control companies like Fox, Century 21, Sky, and other TV Stations and newspapers which still trade on the stock market.

If all these companies ceased to exist on the Stock Exchange, then will will eventually only be left with Banks and other APEX predators like Google, Microsoft, Apple, and so on.

But that isn't the way it works. When you look into the prospectus of smaller companies, they disclose in their that the controlling share holder is such and such Bank or Apple or whoever. Major shareholders of 1% or more are disclosed to the public.

Totally irrelevant!
Apple DOES NOT NEED TomTom in any way possible, after investing in human capital 4 times more than TomTom.
Did you even read the link I gave you?

[Paphitis]

I have never seen a company just being absorbed after a takeover. A Takeover just means control of most of the voting rights. It doesn't mean Apple will own 100% of all shares.

This is the way it works in the corporate world. Giant Banks control lots of smaller banks and these smaller Banks still trade on the market.

Big Airlines control little airlines and the little airlines still trade on the market.

News Limited control companies like Fox, Century 21, Sky, and other TV Stations and newspapers which still trade on the stock market.

If all these companies ceased to exist on the Stock Exchange, then will will eventually only be left with Banks and other APEX predators like Google, Microsoft, Apple, and so on.

But that isn't the way it works. When you look into the prospectus of smaller companies, they disclose in their that the controlling share holder is such and such Bank or Apple or whoever. Major shareholders of 1% or more are disclosed to the public.

Totally irrelevant!
Apple DOES NOT NEED TomTom in any way possible, after investing in human capital 4 times more than TomTom.
Did you even read the link I gave you?

How do you know they don't need Tom Tom?

How the hell can you make that assessment. Apple have taken over many businesses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... s_by_Apple

Apple never said they are after a merger. It is a takeover, which is NOT a merger.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyrpolizer, the name of the game is to sell at a higher price than that paid. You appear to fixated by prices going back a year or more. Im just a down to earth speculator, I buy at a cent and sell for 2. I double my money. I will sell at 12 euros, will then be richer by 5000 euros. You want to learn about speculative trading, then contact me, but it will cost you a cool 10% of your profit. Conditions are attached of course. Will reveal later. In the meantime just watch and learn. Remember Ripple XRP ? This is one to watch also.

Not interested in gambling, sorry.

It isn't gambling.

the market outperforms property and land.

You can gamble if you want, but Blue Chip investing is not what you would call "gambling"

Money doubles every 5 to 7 years on average. It's a very valid investment strategy and Australians participate in a compulsory scheme of investing a portion of their income (10%) into Shares and those funds are currently worth more than the entire USA GDP.

This scheme was introduced by Paul Keating, and it was the smartest thing Australia did.

Can you actually comprehend that Australians have Trillions worth of invested funds which they will only be allowed to access at the age of 65? Do you understand how good that is for Australia and for the retiree?

For every $100 dollars earned by any citizen, they have $10 in shares. So from the age of 18, this $10 will be worth:

$20 by age 25
$40 by age 32
$80 by age 39
$160 by age 46
$320 by age 53
$640 by age 60
$1280 by age 67

Well, you may go ahead and "invest" all your money Paphitis.
I won't "invest" not even 1 cent.
Do you have a problem with that??