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Re: extracting resources

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:49 pm

now talking about resources and how they can be distributed, this is a very interesting clip of cyprus in 1973. unfortunately its in bloomin frog language so i hve no way of understaning what the swine is saying however towards the end of the clip there are tcs who are having to carry water to their homes in containers. i wonder if anybody can gues why they were doing this when all the villages at this point had running water in their homes. could it be that gcs have cut the water off to the village. anybody know which village this is? thankfully a fine fellow is speaking in english at the end.

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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:09 pm

...in (about) a year there are elections, for both A's.

...if they are to survive, they must demonstrate their capacity to speak for their electorate, in both cases, Cypriots.

Who are these Committee members, Mr. Akinci suggests? That, is my question.

...who would refuse Cypriots, for Cyprus, with Cypriot intentions?

Fluff, this "committee", because "Turks" are equal to "Greeks"; but there are no "Greeks": only Cypriots exist.

Fluff, this "committee", because it is political with other motives, it is not for planning, or gathering the facts.

...there will be a meeting of these two men quite soon. One hopes that they will see eye to eye on one thing, that above all, they stand for a Cyprus where Cypriots may live in Peace, without further distinction or discrimination. And that while they are also Persons with identities quite distinct, they are united as Individuals on this Principal. This, is, in Cyprus, an opportunity to demonstrate such Statesmanship.

...imagine if the "Greeks" picked the "Turkish" members, and the "Turks" picked the "Greeks".
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Re: extracting resources

Postby Maximus » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:26 pm

All the foreign companies and specialized personnel that were working with the Turks have left Cyprus’s eez

Except, maybe one from the Far East.

Whether they realized or not that what they were doing was illegal, the real prospect of being arrested changed their mind. They only have some equipment left on the Turkish vessels that will gradually be removed because it’s not that easy to move about.

The Turks are by themselves and apparently, they are / were seeking new “specialized partners” to help them in their quest to steal Cypriot gas.

This is now why gasavoglu is also looking to reduce tensions in the Aegean and east med and do a “deal”. Plonker. It was all a for show. He knows Turkey won’t find nought, will waste money, and ultimately be left out in the cold with escalating sanctions.

Turkeys natural role, if invited In, Would be to transit and she could transit a lot of the gas that the other, more capable and specialized company’s extract. This of course is all depended on the political situation and she won’t be the only option. Ideas of turning off the tap to blackmail or score political points won’t fly and will end up costing her more than anyone else.

It’s time to withdraw from Cyprus, repair decades of damage and normalize relations. This is the way.......
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:37 pm

...ultimately Greece must come to an Agreement with Turkey, and Turkey expects the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne to change.

...comprehensively, a new balance of power can be worked out; what with the disruptions to it she has made, brinkmanship or not, it has moved the players to react. And as such, there exists, on this subject, the East Med Gas Forum, where a chair is waiting for Turkey (and Syria (and Lebanon)), as well. And where the work is well under way for a regional hegemony, with or without Turkey.

...it is not hard to imagine that Turkey may recognise Cyprus as Cyprus, if as 'Greeks'', and ''Turks'', (internally) a mechanism exists where as, as Constituencies, they may plan to provide toward this venture's profitability, and as Cypriots, the benefits which they will gain from the success of their work.

...it is not hard to see other Tripartite meetings, for settling the remaining undeclared EEZs: Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, for one; Turkey, Syria, Cyprus, for another.

...and if not, we may witness the world collapsing around itself, that he is right, notions like Humanity, or a Family of Man, are frail and meaningless because there is no unity in defending such Principals, among those, in essence, not ''Turkish''.

In effect, to deliver on his promise, for a "new" Turkey, things as they are, in the Aegean, as in the Eastern Med., (and Syria, Iraq, and Iran,), (and Russia,) in his mind, cannot remain the same. Erdogan may change his position (because it suits his intentions), he may recognise Cyprus, but, his goal at the moment, is to open all the doors toward total supremacy because, it seems no one may oppose him, alone.

...many conditions favour a diplomatic resolution, region-wide, and on the sea (in the spirit of UNCLOS). One way or another, Turkey seeks a presence that reflects its size, and an influence that extends beyond its borders, regionally and world-wide. Certainly, he is preparing for this eventuality, and this capacity. Yet, in the end, Maximalist demands are (will be) reduced to Agreements that suffice; it is no different here.

Such as it is we live in interesting times.

While i am very hopeful, i also know that the best preparations for this eventuality like Erdogan, is to be prepared for War.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:19 pm

...two articles well worth reading.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pol ... ith-cyprus

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pol ... east-peace

The map (in one of them), clearly defines what Turkey's ambitions are; the other article provides a timeline of events.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:27 pm

correction:

"..it is not hard to imagine that Turkey may recognise Cyprus as Cyprus, if as 'Greeks'', and ''Turks'', (internally) a mechanism exists where as, as Constituencies, they may plan to provide toward this venture's profitability, and as Cypriots, appreciate the benefits which they will gain from the success of their work.
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