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Re: extracting resources

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:49 pm

now talking about resources and how they can be distributed, this is a very interesting clip of cyprus in 1973. unfortunately its in bloomin frog language so i hve no way of understaning what the swine is saying however towards the end of the clip there are tcs who are having to carry water to their homes in containers. i wonder if anybody can gues why they were doing this when all the villages at this point had running water in their homes. could it be that gcs have cut the water off to the village. anybody know which village this is? thankfully a fine fellow is speaking in english at the end.

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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:09 pm

...in (about) a year there are elections, for both A's.

...if they are to survive, they must demonstrate their capacity to speak for their electorate, in both cases, Cypriots.

Who are these Committee members, Mr. Akinci suggests? That, is my question.

...who would refuse Cypriots, for Cyprus, with Cypriot intentions?

Fluff, this "committee", because "Turks" are equal to "Greeks"; but there are no "Greeks": only Cypriots exist.

Fluff, this "committee", because it is political with other motives, it is not for planning, or gathering the facts.

...there will be a meeting of these two men quite soon. One hopes that they will see eye to eye on one thing, that above all, they stand for a Cyprus where Cypriots may live in Peace, without further distinction or discrimination. And that while they are also Persons with identities quite distinct, they are united as Individuals on this Principal. This, is, in Cyprus, an opportunity to demonstrate such Statesmanship.

...imagine if the "Greeks" picked the "Turkish" members, and the "Turks" picked the "Greeks".
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Re: extracting resources

Postby Maximus » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:26 pm

All the foreign companies and specialized personnel that were working with the Turks have left Cyprus’s eez

Except, maybe one from the Far East.

Whether they realized or not that what they were doing was illegal, the real prospect of being arrested changed their mind. They only have some equipment left on the Turkish vessels that will gradually be removed because it’s not that easy to move about.

The Turks are by themselves and apparently, they are / were seeking new “specialized partners” to help them in their quest to steal Cypriot gas.

This is now why gasavoglu is also looking to reduce tensions in the Aegean and east med and do a “deal”. Plonker. It was all a for show. He knows Turkey won’t find nought, will waste money, and ultimately be left out in the cold with escalating sanctions.

Turkeys natural role, if invited In, Would be to transit and she could transit a lot of the gas that the other, more capable and specialized company’s extract. This of course is all depended on the political situation and she won’t be the only option. Ideas of turning off the tap to blackmail or score political points won’t fly and will end up costing her more than anyone else.

It’s time to withdraw from Cyprus, repair decades of damage and normalize relations. This is the way.......
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:37 pm

...ultimately Greece must come to an Agreement with Turkey, and Turkey expects the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne to change.

...comprehensively, a new balance of power can be worked out; what with the disruptions to it she has made, brinkmanship or not, it has moved the players to react. And as such, there exists, on this subject, the East Med Gas Forum, where a chair is waiting for Turkey (and Syria (and Lebanon)), as well. And where the work is well under way for a regional hegemony, with or without Turkey.

...it is not hard to imagine that Turkey may recognise Cyprus as Cyprus, if as 'Greeks'', and ''Turks'', (internally) a mechanism exists where as, as Constituencies, they may plan to provide toward this venture's profitability, and as Cypriots, the benefits which they will gain from the success of their work.

...it is not hard to see other Tripartite meetings, for settling the remaining undeclared EEZs: Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, for one; Turkey, Syria, Cyprus, for another.

...and if not, we may witness the world collapsing around itself, that he is right, notions like Humanity, or a Family of Man, are frail and meaningless because there is no unity in defending such Principals, among those, in essence, not ''Turkish''.

In effect, to deliver on his promise, for a "new" Turkey, things as they are, in the Aegean, as in the Eastern Med., (and Syria, Iraq, and Iran,), (and Russia,) in his mind, cannot remain the same. Erdogan may change his position (because it suits his intentions), he may recognise Cyprus, but, his goal at the moment, is to open all the doors toward total supremacy because, it seems no one may oppose him, alone.

...many conditions favour a diplomatic resolution, region-wide, and on the sea (in the spirit of UNCLOS). One way or another, Turkey seeks a presence that reflects its size, and an influence that extends beyond its borders, regionally and world-wide. Certainly, he is preparing for this eventuality, and this capacity. Yet, in the end, Maximalist demands are (will be) reduced to Agreements that suffice; it is no different here.

Such as it is we live in interesting times.

While i am very hopeful, i also know that the best preparations for this eventuality like Erdogan, is to be prepared for War.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:19 pm

...two articles well worth reading.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pol ... ith-cyprus

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pol ... east-peace

The map (in one of them), clearly defines what Turkey's ambitions are; the other article provides a timeline of events.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:27 pm

correction:

"..it is not hard to imagine that Turkey may recognise Cyprus as Cyprus, if as 'Greeks'', and ''Turks'', (internally) a mechanism exists where as, as Constituencies, they may plan to provide toward this venture's profitability, and as Cypriots, appreciate the benefits which they will gain from the success of their work.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby kurupetos » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:41 pm

Seems like our cousin Erdoganides wants a Turkish state in the north... and another Turkish state in the south...






Erdo is the Black Pete of the Med...

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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:27 am

...this is old news actually. And it is the impetus that drove all of Turkey's neighbours together, resulting in the Gas Forum.

...Erdogan's Turkey seeks total supremacy, his neighbours seek balance.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:49 pm

...also old news, but for some reason big in Manila today.

Thursday, May 16, 2019
Çavuşoğlu: “We will continue our drilling works in the areas where the TRNC has granted a license”

https://cyprusscene.com/2019/05/16/trnc ... -may-2019/

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One Country, one People, many Nations; does that describe Turkey?

...what of the Cypriots? Or is it as it is perceived, by Turkey, an island divided among its "Turks", and those not "Turkish", call them "Greeks".

...while Turkey drills in "disputed" waters, can't Cyprus do the same?

Indeed, Cyprus drills for Cypriots, can Turkey say the same?

...and what of the Treaty of Lausanne, as Erdogan has said, now tossed out the window? While Turkey bristles with her military might, through hostile acts she disrupts the balance of power in the Eastern Mediterranean; how does this end without military conflict and more death?

...is it oil, a fair share, or supremacy of the sea; she (he) wants?

While Turkey does not agree with UNCLOS, it is a template where all the other neighbours are willing to agree, that it is fair in its guidance. Turkey has taken a maximal approach, unlike a State recognising itself an equal among equals.

Turkey is divided, now, more than ever. "Turkishness" has torn Cyprus in two for decades; it tears today at Turkey's social fabric. Hope is needed. The tarnish that covers Turkey's affairs can be removed with a small change in intention, to much international esteem, hope for Turks (not "Turks") in Turkey, hope for the world with this Problem's end, if Cyprus is freed from its subjugation, its occupation, and that the work that Cyprus has done to bring these neighbours together is recognised.

There is a chair waiting for Turkey at the Forum, and chairs waiting to be filled if Turkey dares to join in Tripartite meetings with, Cyprus/Greece, and Cyprus/Syria, as well.
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Re: extracting resources

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:35 pm

Tuesday, September 03, 2019
The Cyprus Issue And Natural Gas In The Eastern Mediterranean – Analysis
https://www.eurasiareview.com/03092019- ... -analysis/

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...enjoyed reading this analysis.

...i would like to remind the readers, though, that it is not just UNCLOS which Erdogan's Turkey ignores. As he has said himself about the Treaty of Lausanne, that it is gone as far as he is concerned, "tossed out a window".

Indeed, oil and gas seem to be a locus for hostile acts, but it is not the real issue. It is total supremacy of the sea, this sea and the Aegean, Erdogan in his demands, seeks. As in Syria, Iraq, and Iran (let's not forget Libya, and Sudan), he demonstrates the same desire to represent "Turkishness" as an expanding power Imperialistically, (in affect regressing to an Ottoman past,) out to disrupt in effect (from his point of view) the terms which created a modern Turkey, and the Modern world.

Cyprus small and seemingly insignificant as it is, has, as allies all its neighbours, but Turkey. The success of the East Med.Gas Forum is evidence of this. Its Hope, small as it is, in a region with very little but bitter rancor is worth noting. Turkey is (and always has been) welcome to join them as an equal among equals, she has chosen to isolate herself instead.

Yet, a small change in intentions on Erdogan's part, by recognising all Cypriots as Cypriots first, may end the division of those "Turkish", and those not "Turkish", not just in Cyprus, ending the Problem, but in Turkey itself, divided, now, more than ever for the same reason.

...without the existence of Cyprus, "Turkishness" wins (over Universal Principals and the Rule of Law). With Cyprus, (modern) Turkey (and the rest of the world) has an ally.

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